copy to cd off a forum like THR


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beckrodgers
March 9, 2003, 09:03 PM
I am wondering is it ok to copy to cd off THR or TFL for personal use only such as the www crashes or a bad rain day or just wanting to take info with me when I travel which aint been any lately. We got the idea when Art Bell went off the air & the www as well ,but we got a disk commerative jammed full of stuff. Any way thought of making our own here with the cd rewriter maker thang. also scanning some old NRA mags to cd. Seems they are coming apart. Duh me . Thanks to all who answered some of our earlier posts on rifles & comp rules. We finially woke up & scrolled on down to some more dif forums. You all seem well informed & very help ful. WE had only just discovered TFL before it closed & still read there quite a lot as well as here Thanks a lot

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AV1611
March 9, 2003, 10:27 PM
Feel free to save a webpage containing a thread you are interested in. I do it all the time. It's perfectly legal and moral as long as the info isn't copywrited and you don't a) claim it as your own words/work when it's not, b) alter the words/work and try to pawn it off as someone's exact words/work, or c) sell someone's words/work as your own.

Interesting threads from various gun sites make great rainy-day reading. Good for laptops when you're somewhere without a way to get online to get your thehighroad.org fix.

On a more serious note... This freedom of information and easy information access is a two-edged sword. Be careful what you write online people. Writing in an online forum about how you hate your wife and how you're thinking about killing her may come back to bite you in the biscuits whether you were joking or not. You are NOT anonymous online. People with the skills and the desire can and will find you.

AV1611 out...

Phyphor
March 10, 2003, 12:04 AM
Precisely. AFAIK, this forum can and will log IP numbers of each poster. This IP can be traced back to your originating ISP. Once this is done, your ISP can be queried as to who was logged on with xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx IP at such-and-such time.....

Meaning, it's pretty damned easy to find out who's behind a particular IP. And for those employing so-called anonymizer/redirection services, that's not really a fix either.

It makes it a little harder, yes, but with a supenoea(sp? Friggin' lawyer terms, ) you can get pretty far.

MitchSchaft
March 10, 2003, 12:45 AM
Meaning, it's pretty damned easy to find out who's behind a particular IP

Only if that IP is static. If yours is dynamic, (i.e., 56k users, some dsl users..) you won't be traced to anything.

Blackhawk
March 10, 2003, 01:43 AM
Only if that IP is static. If yours is dynamic, (i.e., 56k users, some dsl users..) you won't be traced to anything.Probably not so. Any IP address can be easily tracked to your ISP whether you're using broadband or dial up. It's then only necessary to have your ISP cough up who their user is who was using that particular IP address at the time in question.

Oleg Volk
March 10, 2003, 03:43 PM
You are welcome to make archives for pesonal use...but how would you do it? Is there a good automated way to grab all forum contents? (Doubt that it would all fit on a CD...)

synoptic
March 10, 2003, 04:34 PM
I know with my old palm pilot I could save a web page and follow a certain number (user defined) of links as well. I would assume there is a software similar to this for a computer. It could prolly copy the whole forum in no time.

synoptic
March 10, 2003, 05:00 PM
Well, i may have spoken too soon, I decided to try and copy the whole site onto my local disk and so far it has taken 20 minutes or so and is only halfway done...

garrettwc
March 10, 2003, 09:27 PM
This was discussed at TFL in a thread near the closing. Everyone wanted to know if there would be a CD archive.

What most people don't realize is that the Vbulletin software that runs THR and ran TFL is actually a database. Each post is a record in that database. I don't know how big the board is right now, but perhaps one of the system admins could tell us. I'm guessing a few gigs.

Oleg, as far as how it works, they would be doing the same thing you would do when doing a full backup of the forum off the server. What I am not clear on is whether it would work on their systems without a copy of vbulletin installed on their system. Depending on how it is downloaded, it may be copying the vbulletin files to their system as well, which would likely violate your license agreement with them.

I'm still a newbie when it comes to this server-side stuff so you might want to ask someone who knows more details.

Phyphor
April 22, 2003, 07:12 AM
"Only if that IP is static. If yours is dynamic, (i.e., 56k users, some dsl users..) you won't be traced to anything."

(Not to necropost, but ah well.... )

Not true! Remember, each ISP is assigned a range of IP numbers, so at the very least, you can be traced back to your ISP, at the bare minimum.

If your ISP doesn't log who has a given IP during a given time, they probably can be configured to do so, if necessary.

braindead0
April 22, 2003, 09:20 AM
who their user is who was using that particular IP address at the time in question.
Depends on how long they keep their DHCP logs.

What most people don't realize is that the Vbulletin software that runs THR and ran TFL is actually a database. Each post is a record in that database. I don't know how big the board is right now, but perhaps one of the system admins could tell us. I'm guessing a few gigs

You can still archive off the resulting pages, granted it's easier to get the database backup and restore it to another server.

Heck, I could wget the entire TFL and create a complete repository of all the pages.... but it'll probably take a DVD to store it on..

ScottS
April 22, 2003, 10:14 AM
I use software called PaperPort to control my scanner and electronically store documents and receipts and such. I'm always worried about site archives going down or servers crashing in the long term, so when I find a thread with valuable info I want to keep (and there are a lot of them), I either print and then scan the thread, or, if I'm at my home machine, I "print to PaperPort," and save the thread electronically. Even if you don't have a scanner, this software is worth it's price in storing web pages as images, without worring about saving data and .gifs and such.

That said, I'd buy a CD archive in a minute. Hint, hint.

Scott

Bowlcut
April 22, 2003, 12:29 PM
Yes there are very popular programs to download entire sites. Only problem is, they tend to really wear out the website and the connection. So if you started one up and let it run, you'd likely hose the server for quite some time. Most the time people say you should ask before you do this tho. Im sure TFL or here would be a HUGE ammount of data to download...and would not only take a while, but you are likely to disturb the normal opperation of the board

DragonRider
April 22, 2003, 02:36 PM
I print out threads as Adobe .PDF's, I'll have to look at PaperPort.

John

DragonRider
April 22, 2003, 08:14 PM
Well, I downloaded Paperport8.0 off Kazaa to take a look. One problem I have after an intial look through is that when saving with Paperport, the file size is much, much larger than PDF from Acrobat.

I saved a webpage using Acrobat, 11 Pages with 2 images 220 kb

Same page, PaperPort default 9,578kb
Same page, PaperPort htm file 13,228kb

Same page, PaperPort pdf 161 kb, about the same quality as Acrobat pdf

Same page, IE 6.0 156kb

So far it looks like I will stick with Acrobat, but I will play with Paperport a bit more to see if I can get it to work for me better, interesting program. I do like the ability to save a pdf, but with Acrobat 6.0 shipping in a month or 2...

Also, the save times with Paperport were much longer than Acrobat. To save the 11 pages with Acrobat, bout 15 secs. Paperport close to a min.

John

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