Hunting with knives


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Yohan
March 14, 2003, 12:21 AM
Has anyone ever gone hunting and then had to depend on a knife? I mean- I guess that's why people carry pistols, but wouldn't a knife be much more macho? I've been given it a lot of thought-

Scenario 1. You're just staking it out, cooking some eggs and salmon and bacon or something with your friends when all of a sudden, a BEAR comes charging out the woods. Now- although a .44 magnum may be the answer, especially when the rifle is not available, I think a knife would be waaaay cooler. You could do a double side-winder over the top jump to get behind the bear, and then slash away and then the bear would obviously try to swipe you with its paws, but you would then duck roll and then cut off its head and then grill the HEAD of the bear. I think that would be awesome. I mean- come on- how cool would it be to grill the bear? That's a case when the hunter becomes the hunted. So, do you think knives are an essential tool when hunting?

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Weimadog
March 14, 2003, 01:02 AM
In the situation you describe, yes!

Weimadog

Atticus
March 14, 2003, 01:07 AM
"So, do you think knives are an essential tool when hunting?"

Do you have plenty of life insurance?

They are essential for many things on a hunting trip - but not taking an animal.

I know of a local guy (village idiot) who tried jumping on the back of a deer and stabbing it. He's called "one ball Billy" now. That's sorta true. His name's not Billy though.

Yohan
March 14, 2003, 01:10 AM
Actually- ok- I changed my mind. How about a sword? OMG!
ok- you're like stalking the deer- and the deer's like clueless- and then you POP OUT OF THE BUSH AND CUT OFF ALL OF ITS LEGS!!!! that way it can't get away! and then you could grab one of the legs and beat the deer to death WITH ITS OWN LEG!!!!! THAT would be WILD!

Atticus
March 14, 2003, 01:12 AM
Well...I have done that.... and that is fun.

Do your parents always let you stay up this late? Too many twinkies maybe?

Marshall
March 14, 2003, 01:23 AM
Yohan,

Let me in on the drink or the drug. I'll try it once when I have nothing in the world to do for a weekend and can lock myself in the house alone where I can't kill anything or access my dogs in the back yard.

:D

synoptic
March 14, 2003, 01:27 AM
Dude, LAY OFF THE BAWLS!!!!! :D






(For those of you unfortunate enough to be unfamiliar with bawls, it is a Great tasting, Highly caffeinated beverage, similar to Jolt)

Yohan
March 14, 2003, 01:58 AM
Uh- I don't do any drugs- although I've been partial to cough drops. Twinkies? Where did that come from? Talk about being random. So tell me Atticus, what kind of animal was it? Did it have fangs? and if so, did you snap off the fangs and make the animal eat it?

synoptic
March 14, 2003, 03:05 AM
Twinkies? Where did that come from?

you've never heard of the Twinkie Defense?

Some guy tried to say he ate too many twinkies and the sugar made him go crazy, causing him to commit whatever crime he commited

S_O_Laban
March 14, 2003, 03:41 AM
I am not at all sure where this thread is going? But since you asked I did hear a story once. I had a fellow student once tell me his uncle, who lived in Co, killed a deer with large screwdriver after running it down in a field with a jeep. Some one else was driving. I cannot vouch for the validity of this story nor was it ever on TV:D So, screw the knife theory, screwdrivers are way more tactical:D BTW we did have a guy rob several "quicky marts" here in the KC metro area with a variety of screwdrivers as his only weapon:confused:

Pappy John
March 14, 2003, 08:18 AM
I think we need to get together and have an "intervention" for Yohan. :D I fear the cheese has slipped off the boy's cracker.

Iggy
March 14, 2003, 08:33 AM
:neener:

Atticus
March 14, 2003, 09:06 AM
"In 1978, Dan White, a former San Francisco city supervisor who had recently resigned his position, entered San Francisco City Hall through a basement window, went upstairs, and shot and killed Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk.

Psychiatrist Martin Blinder testified in court that White had been depressed, which led to eating junk food: Twinkies and Coca-Cola. This further deepened White's depression, since he was an ex-athlete and knew that the food was not good for him. This was evidence of his depression that prompted his murder spree. This celebrated diagnosis became known as the "Twinkie defense."


I think Dan is now a Federal Judge on the 9th circuit....unless he is Yohan of course.
:D

Smoke
March 14, 2003, 10:27 AM
Cool? Yeah, Sounds cool.....uh, you go first!

Baba Louie
March 14, 2003, 10:38 AM
Twas a story a while back in one of the knife magazines about an old time California(?) man who killed grizzlys with a knife(knives) by doing pretty much just that. Jumping on the bears back and stabbing it repeatedly in the side while hanging on for dear life. Kinda made longer blades a necessity.

I think it was also the same article stated he made his own blades and quenched them in "panther oil", so I guess he'd have to get a cat or two to render down the necessary parts to get the oil.

Don't make em like they used to, huh?

Please don't make me go to the garage and get out all of those old knife magazines, cause I'd probably end up staying there for a week or two.

I'll try a search or maybe ask Greg Walker over on BladeForums, as he's a corncopia of info when it comes to that kinda stuff.

(edited to add some links from BladesForum...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94859&highlight=killing+grizzly+bears

http://www.theonion.com/onion2920w/bearrape.html

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=157904&highlight=killing+grizzly+bears

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Adios

TallPine
March 14, 2003, 10:50 AM
I knew an old guy in Colorado - sort of a legend in his time, but he is passed on now - who had two weird sort of experiences like that.

One, he had shot an elk and started dressing it when it got bored with lying down, and tried to get up and pick a fight. Of course, his rifle was lying over on a log or something out of reach, so he really did have to dispatch the elk with his knife.

Two, he shot an elk, then discovered he had forgot his knife, so had to shoot it through the neck to bleed it out.

I guess if you live in the mountains for 60 years, things like that will happen ...

edit: some of you Colorado guys, if you have ever gotten off the front range, probably know who I am talking about

Preacherman
March 14, 2003, 10:51 AM
The most famous case I know of involved Harry Wolhuter, a game ranger in the Kruger National Park in South Africa, in the earlier years of last century. He was attacked by a lion while riding through the park on horseback. The lion got him by the shoulder and dragged him off, but he had the presence of mind to get at his pocket-knife and stab the lion to death. The lion's skin and the knife are preserved today in the Park as memorials to Wolhuter's courage. (He lived many more years, and wrote an outstanding book called "Memories Of A Game Ranger". Well worth reading if you can obtain a copy from a used book store.)

Tamara
March 14, 2003, 12:23 PM
Do an internet search on Larry Harley (http://www.lonesomepineknives.com/hunt.htm).

He'll take you hunting feral hogs with a knife, if that's your cup of tea.

Joe Demko
March 14, 2003, 12:41 PM
A gentleman I met was called "Tarzan" by all his hunting buddies because he jumped on a deer from a treestand and killed it. He had intended to use his knife, but it was a smallish deer and he was a big fat chubby kind of guy. The impact of his 350+ lbs. was enough to do in the poor creature.

Carlos Cabeza
March 14, 2003, 01:04 PM
I have had the opportunity to try it but didn't have the nerve. A deer under the treestand is an awkward angled shot with a bow.
(note to self) Do not spill feed corn at base of treestand.....:D

Jim March
March 14, 2003, 03:18 PM
Turns out Dan White WAS nuts. He blew his head off not long after being release.

Not that I think twinkies had anything to do with it...

brownie0486
March 14, 2003, 03:29 PM
Tamara:

Harley the pig sticker makes his blades for the hunts as well.
Very nice indeed and something I want to try one day if I ever get around to it.

Have talked with him twice, he makes some very long bladed knives for these hunts.

Brownie

JShirley
March 14, 2003, 05:19 PM
There was a man in Alaska who was field dressing his elk when he had a disagreement with a bear about ownership. He stabbed the bear an ungodly number of times in the face with a Buck 110, IIRC. The bear finally went and laid down, and the hunter picked up his .270 and put some insurance into that bad boy.

There was evidently a Nepalese farmer who killed a bear in his garden a few years ago. He walked into his garden, was charged by the bear, and used his kukri on it. (Search Bladeforums Himalayan Imports' forum for more info and pics.) I have several HI kuks, and think I could probably take a black bear with one if forced to, but I figure that's why God made .45-70's and .35 Whelens.

griz
March 14, 2003, 09:13 PM
Do you go to the movies a lot?

CWL
March 14, 2003, 10:05 PM
The worst thing about Dan White and his murder of Mayor Moscone is that it was the platform which launched Diane Feinstein into the office she holds today.

Diane Feinstein then was Assistant Mayor and became Mayor after the shooting, then on to the Senate. Being a 'liberal' sure didn't bother her from having a CCW and being married to one of the biggest real estate developers in CA. :rolleyes:

Bruz
March 14, 2003, 10:16 PM
He's called "one ball Billy" now.

Do your parents always let you stay up this late?

LMAO! :D

hso
March 14, 2003, 11:45 PM
"then you could grab one of the legs and beat the deer to death WITH ITS OWN LEG!!!!! THAT would be WILD!" AND THEN THE ALIENS WOULD...

Step back from the keyboard and take a deep cleansing breath there son.

Regardless of the silly tone of this poster I've known 6 different folks that have killed whitetail deer or wild hogs with knives. In the 2 cases involving the deer they were each certain that the animals were dead from their shots. In the one case the hunter had the knife in hand when he drew the animals neck back to cut the arteries and the animal "came to life" as he cut it. Luckily it fell to the ground after bounding another 20 or 30 feet away. The other fellow wasn't nearly so lucky as the animal came up fighting as he grabbed an antler. He had to draw his sheath knife to cut the animal's throat while hanging on for dear (
:scrutiny: sorry) life. In the case of the hog hunters, they were all hunting wild hogs with fixed blade knives ang dogs. One was Hawaii (really feral boar instead of Russians), one was out west (Oklahoma) and the others were back east. All rushed in on the animals with a 7+inch fixed blade while the dog(s) kept the animal busy and all of them got out without a scratch after plunging the blade in just behind the shoulder and opening a large wound to the chest cavity. I have turned down three opportunitie (?) to participate in such hunts and doubt that I want to face 4-6 inch ivory razors even if a pack of good dawgs keeps the wild Russian boar busy!

Brownie, Larry lives just up the road a couple of hours and trains folks to forge knives (if they got the time and money). C'mon down some time and I'll introduce you.

ahadams
March 15, 2003, 01:05 AM
but while I was in the Army the first time, my folks (and my younger brother who was in Highschool at the time) moved to their retirement property - a farmed out piece of sand and swamp in central Wisconsin. My dad (who was an Lutheran minister) was subsequently hired as a 'fill in' by a number of different churches in the area, so they had some additional income, but that's another story. Seems that there were (and still are) a lot of 'flatlanders' from Chicago and thereabouts who go up to Wisconsin for deer hunting. The week after deer season my dad stopped by one of the local hospitals to do the 'visitation pastor' thing and checked with their admissions folks for anyone from the various parishes he helped cover (this was rural Wisconsin - the whole county had maybe 19 thousand people in it). He go the list and also got to hear the following story which was *hot* news for that time and place:

It seems that the opening weekend of deer season the little local hospital had treated a rather well to do Chicago resident for a severe concussion. As related by the other folks he had been hunting with, said resident had shot at a buck and everyone had seen it fall. Without doing the "leg check", or even spotting where on the deer his bullet had hit, the shooter went up to the fallen buck, handed a flash camera to one of his comrades, and told him to take a picture while the shooter assumed a "great white hunter" pose behind the deer with one foot on the fallen deer's side. When the flash went off the hunting party discovered several things:

1. the deer wasn't wounded, it was now merely missing part of one antler.
2. if you are half straddling a downed deer and the deer jumps up, you may well end up astride a terrified deer.
3. That only lasts until the deer runs under the low hanging branch of a nearby oak tree.
4. Then your buddies get to take you to the hospital, and can forget about the rest of the day for hunting.

which leads me to the conclusion that taking on a deer with a knife is NOT on the list of things I intend to do anytime soon, if you know what I mean?

brownie0486
March 15, 2003, 09:46 AM
hso:

Thanks for the invite. The pleasure would be all mine I'm afraid. Have followed Larry products for almost 10 years.

He knows how to make knives that stand up to the tests of the real world to say the least. If I was 20 years younger I would try it.

Brownie

mete
March 21, 2003, 05:37 PM
Last year in Vancouver Island a man was attacked by a mountain lion. He killed the cat with a Schrade folding knife . I guess he got chewed up a bit in the process.

Soap
March 21, 2003, 10:03 PM
Yohan, I normally just use brass knuckles. :p

Mannlicher
March 21, 2003, 10:05 PM
Seems like Neanderthal man figured out about 25000 years ago, that knife hunting was not safe, wise, or productive. I see we have come full circle.....................

Ol' Badger
April 1, 2003, 04:27 PM
I read in a W V newspaper where a man kilt a Black Bear with an AXE!. His friend said he shot a Bear and couldnt find it, but had to go to work. The guy volunteered to go look for the Bear and found it. It was p.o.ed and attacked him. He had an axe and a knife with him. The long and the short of it is that he managed to kill the bear but walks with a limp. :what:

Harold Mayo
April 3, 2003, 11:23 PM
Not quite the same thing, but don't gauchos in Argentina kill wild hogs with knives after wrestling them down? An acquaintance of mine described something of the sort that he had learned about after going down there to hunt birds.

scotjute
April 11, 2003, 11:28 AM
Not exactly a do-or-die situation, but once when I was a teenager, I threw an axe at a rabbit about 15' away. The axe landed precisely on its handle, bounced and then hit the rabbit a glancing blow with the axe head blade. Rabbit keeled over. The friend who was with me was really impressed, especially as I had whispered, "Watch this!" before I threw it.
We would sometimes hunt armadillos simply by catching them by the tail. The trick is to figure out where they're headed, get out about 15-20' in front of them and stand still. They'll often walk right up to you.
Normally a spear would be the bladed hand-held weapon of choice for hunting, not a knife or sword. I do "wear" a knife while hunting, but not as a primary weapon.

DakotaSig
April 19, 2003, 11:13 PM
I wonder if anyone has tried hunting with an atlatl?
Seems to me that you wouldn't have to get too close and the
big blade on that thing would do some serious damage.

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