Texas Get's D- Grade from Brady Bunch...


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King
December 31, 2002, 06:38 PM
I was prowling around the internet today searching gun control laws by various states (searched on that subject). I noticed that the Brady Bunch grades every state by the quality of it's gun control laws and by it's effort to initiate tighter controls. (That's by their definition of quality and effort).


I see that Texas gets a big fat D- (D Minus).......I guess we fall short of Sarah's expectations.......:)

Wonder what we have to do to get an F.........;)

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El Tejon
December 31, 2002, 06:52 PM
"Texas has strict gun laws." TEXAS GUNOWNERS' GUIDE.

Well, so much for reading books. Maybe it's all relative?

Pendragon
December 31, 2002, 07:05 PM
***!?

a "D-" is still passing!!

Any get an F?

King
December 31, 2002, 07:19 PM
Didn't check but a few states. Here's the URL. It directly address's laws relative to protecting children. If you read through it and the criterion, you'll see that it's based on the usual anti-gun elements.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/rc02/index.asp?state=TX

Down at the bottom, it will ask if you want to select another state.

I checked a few annd I see that Kentucky failed but Arizona and Florida did better than Texas. It also states that 29 states received D's or F's.

Yexas may be strict El Tejon but I like my chances and my situation here better than some other places.

Blackhawk
December 31, 2002, 07:21 PM
Wonder what we have to do to get an F......... Exactly what I was wondering as I started reading your thread! :D

Jeeper
December 31, 2002, 07:25 PM
We really need to work harder to get an F.:)

El Tejon
December 31, 2002, 07:36 PM
Oh, Indiana's only a D- and we have much worse laws than Tejas by Sarah's own standards. I demand a re-grade!

BTW, they say 94 "children" were killed by guns in Indiana. 1. How many guns were prosecuted for their horrific crimes, 2. of those 94 how many were in Indianapolis and Gary combined?;)

Southla1
December 31, 2002, 07:45 PM
YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE got an F (Louisiana)

2dogs
December 31, 2002, 07:51 PM
PA got a D+

CA got A-

NJ got a B

MA got A-

Enough said?:neener:

Gophfer
December 31, 2002, 08:07 PM
Florida is a D+! What did we do wrong? Vermont is D-! and they have universal CCW

NewShooter78
December 31, 2002, 08:11 PM
I'm really glad that Louisiana got an F. And I quote, "In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, 124 children and teenagers in Louisiana died from gunfire." 1998! ***, that's 4 years ago, and I bet if they looked at those numbers it was a lot of gang and drug related violence. Damn the blissninnies.

PATH
December 31, 2002, 09:14 PM
I wish Sarah Brady would just go away already!:fire: :cuss:

sm
December 31, 2002, 09:23 PM
AR grade D

ahenry
December 31, 2002, 09:26 PM
All of Texas laws are strict. Haven’t you heard, we have things we call “hanging judges” and we enjoy criminals getting the book thrown at them. You’d think a guy going around calling himself “The Texan” would know this. :rolleyes: ... ;)



BTW, Any gun related law is too many. I’m all for getting rid of all of them.

Standing Wolf
December 31, 2002, 09:56 PM
I see Colorado got only a C-. You've got my word I'm going to do my best to make sure Colorado gets an F from the leftist extremists next year.

Beren
December 31, 2002, 10:05 PM
I LOVE this tidbit of propoganda:

Since the Brady Campaign began grading state gun laws five years ago, the number of young people killed by guns nationwide has dropped from an average of 16 per day to nine (based on the most recent available data). During the same period, the Centers for Disease Control reported a 37% reduction in the firearms death rate per 100,000 children and teens.

Gee. Doesn't that mean all we need to do is increase the amount of grading the Brady Campaign performs? Numbers don't lie, and it's the grading Brady performs that saves the lives of children!

No need to pass new laws. The grading alone will do!

:neener:

FTG-05
December 31, 2002, 10:10 PM
Alabama got an "F"! Eat your heart out Texans!

Albin

King
December 31, 2002, 10:18 PM
Well fix that....we're shooting for F-......:)

AZTOY
December 31, 2002, 10:20 PM
Arizona Receives Grade of D

I was hoping for A F :banghead:

m.i.sanders
December 31, 2002, 10:45 PM
Dang! SC got a C-. :fire: We've got to work harder if we want an F.:evil:

westex
January 1, 2003, 01:08 AM
Some $$ changed hands somewhere. State law requires that.:D

444
January 1, 2003, 01:24 AM
Nevada only gets a D also. We will have to work harder in the new year.

Nevada received a D because it has a very weak juvenile possession law; has no safety design standards for handguns; does not require background checks on private sales, including those at gun shows; forces police to let people carry hidden handguns in public; and prevents cities and counties from enacting stricter laws to prevent gun violence, and from holding the gun industry accountable for its negligent practices (such as failing to include basic safety features on guns that would prevent unintentional shootings). The state does have an adequate Child Access Prevention law. In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, 48 children and teenagers in Nevada died from firearm injuries.

From now on, we should post this resource when someone is thinking about moving to a free state. This evaluation of Nevada should be posted on the state web page and given out at every chamber of commerce. When I read their evaluation, I was proud as a peacock.

444
January 1, 2003, 01:34 AM
Here is typical anti-gun logic; In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, 499 children and teenagers in California died from gunfire. In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, 48 children and teenagers in Nevada died from firearm injuries. Louisiana received an F in 2001, because it is among the worst states in the nation at protecting its children from gun violence.124 children and teenagers in Louisiana died from gunfire.
Yet in their eyes ********** gets a A-
Now that is progress.

Walther P99
January 1, 2003, 02:29 AM
Gotta love Texas, but still need that F. :)

Pendragon
January 1, 2003, 04:28 AM
police to let people carry hidden handguns in public

One thing that bugs me most about HCI is that they think the executors of the law should have a say in what the law says.

It is preposterous that they police should have any more say than anyone else in what they laws are.

Yet they prattle on...

voilsb
January 1, 2003, 04:45 AM
Oregon improved its grade from D+ to C- in 2001 thanks to the success of a citizen initiative to close the gun show loophole. 62% of voters in Oregon rejected the extremist views of the gun lobby and voted to require background checks on all sales of guns at gun shows. The state also has adequate juvenile sales and possession laws. However, Oregon still allows hidden handguns to be carried in schools; does not have a Child Access Prevention law to hold adults accountable for leaving firearms accessible to children; and has no handgun safety standards. Oregon also prohibits cities and counties from enacting stricter laws to protect children from gun violence and forces police to let people carry hidden handguns in public. In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, 31 children and teenagers in Oregon died from gunfire.


Bascially, it says because we have NICS at gunshows and you have to be of a certain age to buy a gun, we got a C-.

Good stuff: cities can't be more strict, we're allowed CCW (shall-issue), even in schools, no "smart guns," and parents don't get in trouble for letting kids learn how to shoot.

edited because I didn't proofread

4570Rick
January 1, 2003, 04:49 AM
We have a Lame Duck, Lying, Cheating, Theiving, Anti Gun Governor. :cuss:

We have a near Super Majority of Tax and Spend Anti Gun Legislators. :cuss:

We have an Anti Gun Lt. Governor. :cuss:

We have an Anti Gun A.G. :cuss:

We passed more Anti Gun Legislation last year than any other state in the US. :cuss: :cuss:

If CA only rates an A-, I hold this as evidence that the ultimate gole of the @*%*$# Brady Bunch is total confiscation of all privately owned firearms. (Where's the vomit smilie when you need one)

These offsprings of a Mule and a Donky wont be happy until we've become a "Police State." :fire:

voilsb
January 1, 2003, 04:55 AM
In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, 103 children and teenagers in Arizona died from gunfire, resulting in a youth firearm death rate 34% higher than the national average.In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, 16 children and teenagers in Alaska died from gunfire, resulting in a youth firearm death rate 35% higher than the national average.

those numbers don't quiet add up ... 103 is 34% above the average, and 16 is 35% over the average. I smell bad math.

the alaska figure claims the national average is 11.85 child and teenager deaths per year.

the arizona figure claims the national average is 76.87 deaths per year.

edited to finish my thought, because I'm trigger happy tonight

voilsb
January 1, 2003, 05:01 AM
they won't admit numbers for california or new jersey, but for massachussettes they claim the national average is 43.75 deaths per year:

In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, Massachusetts lost 28 children and teenagers to gun violence. Massachusetts has the lowest firearm death rate for children and teens in the country -- 64% lower than the national average.

ahh, don't you love how they're liberal with their morals *and* their math?

voilsb
January 1, 2003, 05:08 AM
oh, and maryland actually received a full-on A by the brady bunch

clange
January 1, 2003, 05:15 AM
Didnt you guys hear? 20 year old gang members count as 'children' in their stats.

Calamity Jane
January 1, 2003, 06:17 AM
ACK! Tennessee got a D+?!?! Dadgummit, I wanted an F! An F-, at that!

Tennessee maintained its 2000 grade of D+ because it does not have a Child Access Prevention law to hold adults accountable for leaving firearms accessible to children; has no safety design standards for handguns; does not require background checks on private gun sales, including those at gun shows; and forces police to let people carry hidden handguns in public. Tennessee has adequate juvenile possession and sales laws for handguns, but allows children and teens to possess long guns, including assault rifles. In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, 109 children and teenagers in Tennessee died from gunfire, resulting in a youth firearm death rate 68% higher than the national average.

Tennessee can improve its grade next year by requiring all gun buyers to go through criminal background checks, especially buyers at gun shows. By closing this loophole in its laws, Tennessee will prevent criminals, fugitives from the law, and juveniles from buying guns.

:scrutiny: :rolleyes:

King
January 1, 2003, 08:43 AM
I like this language they use in a lot of their write ups (ie; Calamity Jane's post)................


"forces police to let people carry hidden handguns in public".

"Forces" police to "let"........last time I checked, police merely enforce laws, they don't "let" people do anything. I believe Pendragon pointed that out as well regarding Arizina and it's open carry status.

What I read from LEO here and elsewhere is that they by and large support our right to carry anyway.

:confused:

JackShandy
January 1, 2003, 09:03 AM
...same as in 2000. Here's my fav-o-rite part:

North Carolina can improve its grade next year by requiring all gun buyers to go through criminal background checks, especially buyers at gun shows. By closing this loophole in its laws, North Carolina will prevent criminals, fugitives from the law, and juveniles from buying guns.

Don't know about juveniles, but I'm sure criminals and fugitives (last time I checked, fugitives were criminals) will not be able to get their hands on guns any other way. Yes sir, close that "loophole" and all criminal problems will magically disappear!

D@mn 'C' grade: I hate being middle of the pack!:cuss:

garrettwc
January 1, 2003, 12:16 PM
by El Tejon
Oh, Indiana's only a D- and we have much worse laws than Tejas by Sarah's own standards. I demand a re-grade!

BTW, they say 94 "children" were killed by guns in Indiana. 1. How many guns were prosecuted for their horrific crimes, 2. of those 94 how many were in Indianapolis and Gary combined?

And how many of those 94 were 16-18 yr old(children by Brady definition) gangbangers at a drug deal gone sour.

El Tejon, I see the D- as a challenge. We got work to do.:D

justinh
January 1, 2003, 03:34 PM
Montana has an F.
:neener: :cool: :D :) :p

justinh
January 1, 2003, 03:37 PM
Montana received a grade of F in 2001, because it is among the worst states in the nation at protecting its children from gun violence. The state has no law prohibiting teens and children from possessing or buying guns; Didn't think kids could buy guns anywhere.:confused: :rolleyes:

El Tejon
January 1, 2003, 04:32 PM
justinh, thank goodness we have a federal law that stops kids from buying guns.:rolleyes:

garrett, you're right. No good is going to come by complaining that we were cheated by Sarah (hmmm, Indiana taken advantage of--go figure)! This General Assembly session I move for state funing of indoor firing ranges at elementary schools! Teach them safety--do it, for the children! Also I want the repeal of the "Chinese Throwing Star" statute. I get mad everytime I see it in my crim code book.

Monkeyleg
January 1, 2003, 05:17 PM
Wisconsin gets a C+. :( That will change once we get CCW and eliminate the 48 hour waiting period.

C'mon, Cheeseheads, let's get to work!

garrettwc
January 1, 2003, 09:15 PM
This General Assembly session I move for state funing of indoor firing ranges at elementary schools! Teach them safety--do it, for the children!

Here!! here!!

I used to live down the street from one of the Parks Departments indoor rec centers. It used to have a .22 target range in the basement and the scouts and 4H used to host matches. No more.

The high school had a shooting team complete with Olympic styles .22 rifles and those big padded shooting coats.

Just about every guy had a Buck folder in a pouch on his belt.

Try any of that now and County PD SWAT would get called.:cuss:

Mark Benningfield
January 1, 2003, 10:54 PM
Hello All.

RATS!!!!!!:banghead:
D-. Gotta be something we can do about that. I know we can beat Texas at this too.:D

garrettwc
January 2, 2003, 11:26 PM
Heads up Indiana Folks!!

If either of these get passed we'll move to an A++

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1794

The first one contains a ban on semiautomatic ammunition!:cuss:

That pretty much covers everything from .22 to 12 guage buck!!

Combat-wombat
January 3, 2003, 01:24 AM
ARRGH!!!! Kali always has to get a bad grade!!! Lets get some republican senators (I do like libertarians much better than republicans, and our whole constitution needs urgent help, but in my opinion the RKBA is im much more danger than the 1st amendment etc. and we can much more easily elect republicans than libertarians) But anyway, lets get some sensible pro-BOR officials in kali and hopefully with some good hard effort we can at least get a "C"! C'mon people, let's have some dignity! Take back the PRK!:cuss:

glirette
January 3, 2003, 01:55 AM
Texas needs to lighten the training and be more like Florida in what we accept. Texas CHL training is very strict currently as compared to other states.

Next Texas needs to be more like Utah in allowing for guns to be carried in schools.

Texas needs to modify the 30.06 penal code so that we are more like Florida where signs have no legal impact on the CHL.

If some of these steps were followed we would then have an F, I hope we can get an F next year!

Combat-wombat
January 3, 2003, 02:01 AM
Actually, kali actually allows CCW permit holders to carry on school grounds! This is very surprising for the Republik!

Southla1
January 3, 2003, 04:41 AM
"I'm really glad that Louisiana got an F. And I quote, "In 1998, the most recent year for which data is available, 124 children and teenagers in Louisiana died from gunfire." 1998! ***, that's 4 years ago, and I bet if they looked at those numbers it was a lot of gang and drug related violence. Damn the blissninnies."


About 10 years ago there were 53 murders in the Baton Rouge area. Not all of these were firearm realted but something like 90% were. The Baton Rouge Morning Advocate did a 2 or 3 page story on them after the year was over.

This story covered the circumstances of the killings............. a GREAT majority of them were gang and drug related...............like we say down here..........................most of em needed killing.

ahenry
January 3, 2003, 11:35 AM
Texas needs to lighten the training and be more like Florida in what we accept. Texas CHL training is very strict currently as compared to other states. Didn’t know it was complicated, seemed easy to me. What is Florida’s like? Truth be known, I’d just as soon do away with the licensing thing completely. You breathe, you can carry works for me.

Next Texas needs to be more like Utah in allowing for guns to be carried in schools. Yeah, I agree. At bare minimum it needs to go back to a more local view on a gun in a school (not referring to just CHL’s). Rural areas used to not mind if you had a gun in the window of your pickup when you drove to school after a morning hunt or whatnot. Time to at least go back to that. However you can carry on school grounds of a school if you have your CHL. I can’t remember the specifics, but its something like if you’re just driving onto the grounds or some such.

Texas needs to modify the 30.06 penal code so that we are more like Florida where signs have no legal impact on the CHL. I disagree. Property owners need to be able to state what they consider trespass (no shirt, etc). Making a specific sign that is incredibly obvious still allows for the property owner to “govern” his property, yet its not so simple as just a sign like “no guns” which anybody and everybody might put up which would effectively limit the usefulness of a CHL.

[Edited for spelling]

Anthony
January 3, 2003, 01:17 PM
Texas got a "D"?!?! :what:

You can shoot people on your property for "criminal mischief" or for stealing your property, you can carry a fully loaded shotgun or rifle in your car without a permit, carry a handgun concealed with a permit, and can even walk down the street with a fully loaded long arm slung!

What do you have to do to get an "F"??? :fire:

I want an "F"!!! :banghead:

- Anthony

mjustice
January 3, 2003, 01:39 PM
New York gets a B+. Is anyone surprised?

If I move, I'll make sure I choose a state with a "failing" grade.

How about we give the Brady bunch an F- and move on?

MJ

Leatherneck
January 3, 2003, 01:47 PM
OH, Man: Virginia got a C-. I'm so ashamed...:(
TC
TFL Survivor

glirette
January 3, 2003, 08:40 PM
Didn’t know it was complicated, seemed easy to me. What is Florida’s like? Truth be known, I’d just as soon do away with the licensing thing completely. You breathe, you can carry works for me.

The training itself is not complicated but the trainers need to be state certified and must travel to Austin every 2 years to maintain certification.

As only a Texas resident who wants a CHL it is ok. But consider that you are an NRA instructor who stays very up on the laws and so forth, you still have to take a full day course to get a TX CHL.

I think that training is great but Texas has a very strict CHL law in comparison to many states.

Florida is very simple, for more details look here.


Link to my Florida training page (http://www.dfwgunsafety.com/CCW_Classes/florida_ccw.htm)

BudS
January 4, 2003, 09:39 PM
Texas only got a D- while my state of Alabama got an F...but, let's see, it was reported today that Texas led the nation in executing death-row inmates last year- something like 47- while Alabama only executed two last year.

If the ACLU weighed in, Texas would've gotten an F and Alabama would have only gotten a C for mistreating those POOR felons...GACK!

(projectile puking here)

Force your state politicians into getting YOUR state an F! Proud Alabamian here.

And, by the way, open carry in Alabama is legal in some areas...and yes I do. Check into your state's Criminal Code to see the "don'ts", then do what is not a "don't"!

Of the people I encounter who know I CCW and open-carry, none have a problem, all are comfortable with my decision.:D Haven't gone face-to-face with a LEO, however. I just behave & no one says a word.

"Proud to be an F!":D

Drizzt
January 7, 2003, 02:30 PM
The Associated Press State & Local Wire


January 7, 2003, Tuesday, BC cycle


1:05 PM Eastern Time

SECTION: State and Regional

LENGTH: 466 words

HEADLINE: Gun control advocacy groups gives Maine an "F" for gun laws

BYLINE: By CLARKE CANFIELD, Associated Press Writer

DATELINE: PORTLAND, Maine

BODY:
A national gun control advocacy group has given Maine an "F" for having laws that it says fail to protect children from gun violence.

In the sixth annual analysis of state gun-control laws, the Washington-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said Maine was one of eight states to receive a failing grade.

The report said Maine ranked low because of lax laws regarding the sale or possession of guns by children, and no requirement for safety locks on guns. The report gave six states an "A" for having laws that it said protect children from violence. Cathie Whittenburg, executive director of the Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence, said Maine's laws make it easy for children to own or possess guns.

She said a person as young as 16 can legally purchase a gun in Maine, and that state law does not set a minimum age for gun possession.

"What kind of message are we sending when we say a 16-year-old can buy a handgun?" Whittenburg said. "To me, that's not an age of responsibility for a handgun."

Kelly Whitley, a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association in Fairfax, Va., said the report doesn't link gun control laws with crime rates. She said Maine's low crime rate - the FBI ranked Maine the fifth-safest state in 2001 - is more telling than its gun laws.

"If having one of the lowest violent crime rates in the county garners an F, then Maine should be proud of its grade," Whitley said.

The Brady Campaign, formerly known as Handgun Control Inc., ranked states on seven types of legislation that it says protect children from gun violence. They include laws regarding juvenile possession of guns, gun sales to juveniles, gun storage, gun owner accountability and concealed weapons statutes.

The report said the average firearms death rate of youth in the states that received an "F" grade was 33 percent higher than the rate for the 10 states that received an "A" or "B."

Sarah Brady, chairwoman of the Brady Campaign, said it is up to individual states to pass stricter gun control laws because Congress has failed to do so on the national level.

"It has fallen to governors and state legislatures to take up the mantle of child safety and pass laws to protect our kids from gun violence," she said in a statement.

Whitley called the Brady Campaign "politically inconsequential" and said the report is nothing more than an attempt to get attention.

"This study is a fruitless attempt to stay alive when the vast majority of Americans believe in protecting the Second Amendment and the rights of gun owners," she said.

The report gave failing grades to Alabama, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Montana and Wyoming. California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts and New Jersey each received an "A" grade.

ahenry
January 7, 2003, 04:32 PM
I so ashamed that Maine got a “better” grade that Texas did. How depressing. :o

Yanus
January 7, 2003, 05:08 PM
I'm so depressed.............. I had such high hopes for my beloved Texas to get a "perfect" score of "F".

I think I will consume a couple of adult beverages this evening in reflection of this sad turn of events.... (snif, snif) :(

Yanus

Freedspeak
January 7, 2003, 06:09 PM
Firemedic,

Hey, at least we're doing better. We went from a C- to D+, at least it's the right direction. :)

OF
January 7, 2003, 07:19 PM
'F' for Maine! Neener neener! :)

- Gabe

Slotback
January 7, 2003, 09:51 PM
I want us to get a F from the Brady Bunch!

Drizzt
January 8, 2003, 07:22 PM
State Gun Law Report Cards
The Brady Campaign

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence united with the Million Mom March, and in partnership with independent state gun violence prevention groups, highlighted the progress made in its efforts to protect children from gun violence.

Research from the Centers for Disease Control shows an encouraging decrease in the number of children killed by guns. However, while some states have successfully strengthened their gun laws and blocked efforts by the gun lobby to weaken existing laws, a number of states continue to drag their feet on gun safety measures, putting children in danger.

The report cards provide a resource for understanding how well or how poorly each state has worked toward the goal of preventing gun violence. The state report cards addressed the following:

The status of state action on:
-Sale/transfer of guns to juveniles
-Safe storage and gun owner accountability
-Childproof guns and gun safety design standards
-The Brady Background Check at gun shows
-Carrying concealed weapons (CCW)
-Local government authority to regulate guns
-Rates of child gun deaths
-Gun trafficking: Problem states that affect the rest of the nation.
-Actions that each state should take to prevent gun violence and improve its grade.

Eleven states won Sensible Safety Stars for protecting children from gun violence last year. Sensible Safety Star states heeded the concern of their residents by resisting efforts to weaken common sense laws and by enacting laws that protect children from guns.

Unfortunately, once again 29 states received grades of D or F in this year's report card. Not surprisingly, many of these states have child and teen firearm death rates that are higher than the national average. For example, the average firearms death rate of youth in the eight states that received an F grade was 33 percent higher than the average firearms death rate for the 10 states that received an A or a B.

Since the Brady Campaign began grading state gun laws six years ago, the number of young people killed by guns nationwide has dropped from an average of 16 per day to eight (based on the most recent available data). During the same period, the Centers for Disease Control reported a 48 percent reduction in the firearms death rate per 100,000 children and teens.

State Grade State Grade
Alabama F Montana F
Alaska D- Nebraska B-
Arizona D* Nevada D
Arkansas D New Hampshire D+
California A-* New Jersey A-*
Colorado C-* New Mexico D+*
Connecticut A-* New York B+
Delaware C North Carolina C
Florida D+ North Dakota D
Georgia D Ohio D+
Hawaii A- Oklahoma D-
Idaho F+ Oregon C-
Illinois B+ Pennsylvania D+
Indiana D- Rhode Island B-
Iowa C+ South Carolina C-*
Kansas C+ South Dakota D
Kentucky F Tennessee D+
Louisiana F Texas D-
Maine F Utah D-
Maryland A Vermont D-
Massachusetts A- Virginia C-
Michigan D+ Washington D+
Minnesota C+* West Virginia D
Mississippi F Wisconsin C+*
Missouri C* Wyoming F

* Denotes a Sensible Safety Star for 2002

http://www.kgwn.tv/home/headlines/173896.html

JoshM
January 8, 2003, 07:46 PM
Illinois gets a B+. Considering the FOID card I thought that they would be an A.

Imagine if CCW reform in Ohio [currently D+], Missouri [C], Minnesota [C+], and Wisconsin [C+] was successful, it would really bring the grades down. :D

Looking through the Brady grading system I'm guessing my country would be either a B- or C+.

I shudder to think what Brady would grade the UK as, A+ with extra credit.:rolleyes:

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