Magazine disconnects


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kalibear45
December 31, 2002, 11:43 PM
I can see its practicality but I voted NO coz I dry fire my pistols every so often and its a lot easier not having to check all the time...

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isaidme
January 1, 2003, 12:32 AM
When I finaly get my hi-power out of layaway im going to have trigger job while keeping the saftey.I like the idea of having a weapon that I can disable if for some strange reason there is a strugle over it.Dont want to die by the hands of my own gun!!!

sm
January 1, 2003, 12:34 AM
NO

Hkmp5sd
January 1, 2003, 12:35 AM
Don't like them. A gun has a trigger you pull to make it go bang. If you don't want a bang, don't pull the trigger.

Soap
January 1, 2003, 12:39 AM
A magazine disconnect is insulting.

Kahr carrier
January 1, 2003, 01:15 AM
My finger is the only Safety that I need.:neener:

isaidme
January 1, 2003, 01:16 AM
Well to me it makes more sense then a grip saftey:neener:

Gewehr98
January 1, 2003, 01:28 AM
About as useful as Colt Series-80 lockwork. :scrutiny:

agony
January 1, 2003, 02:03 AM
Someone already removed the safety from my HP.

Schuey2002
January 1, 2003, 02:03 AM
They are the work of PC politicians... :fire:

Preacherman
January 1, 2003, 02:25 AM
I agree that in a weapon retention situation, if your pistol has a magazine disconnect safety (MDS) and you feel you may lose control of it to the BG struggling with you, hitting the magazine release and dumping the magazine will make the gun safe and may prevent you getting shot. However, I've always thought that any moderately knowledgeable BG would simply bend down, pick up the magazine, insert it, and...

My big beef with a MDS is that if I've had to use my pistol the hard way, and am now holding the surviving BG's at gunpoint, I want the weapon to be in firing condition at all times. I'm probably going to reload, so as to have a fully-charged weapon. If the pistol is rendered inoperative during the magazine change, even if only for a second or two, according to Murphy's Law, that's when the BG's will try something! No, thank you very much, I will not own a pistol with a MDS...

I'm a bit annoyed about this because it removes some really nice pistols from my inventory (e.g. Browning Hi-Power, all the Smiths, etc.). Yes, they can be modified to remove the MDS, but if one removes a "safety" feature from a weapon and then uses it in self-defence, you can be sure that Ima Shark, ambulance-chaser, will use that fact against you in court when he sues on behalf of the family of the late Joe Scumbag, BG. "But, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, he DISABLED A SAFETY MECHANISM ON HIS GUN! Just the sort of thing an evil-minded Rambo-type like this would do... make it easier for him to kill poor, innocent muggers like the late Mr. Scumbag! Don't let his evil behavior go unpunished!" Yeah, yeah... :fire: I can do without that hassle, thank you very much!

10-Ring
January 1, 2003, 03:20 AM
NO :neener: NO :what: and NO :cuss:

Spackler
January 1, 2003, 10:31 AM
I've always carried Smith autos. The magazine disconnect doesn't bother me at all.

Bob A
January 1, 2003, 12:03 PM
I agree that in a weapon retention situation, if your pistol has a magazine disconnect safety (MDS) and you feel you may lose control of it to the BG struggling with you, hitting the magazine release and dumping the magazine will make the gun safe and may prevent you getting shot.

What this leaves off is shot... with your own gun. This seems like an ideal safety for a cop, but it seems to me that if you are aware that you are about to lose control of the weapon, you could do something other than eject the mag, but I can see a practical use for the cops. They let the BG have the useless gun and draw the backup weapon.

However, I've always thought that any moderately knowledgeable BG would simply bend down, pick up the magazine, insert it, and...

No gonna happen in a fight. That's the whole idea.

Hkmp5sd
January 1, 2003, 12:15 PM
If you want the ability to disable the gun, instead of getting a gun that disconnects and thus locks you into that mode, get a gun without a magazine disconnect and then change your training a little.

If you are grappling with a BG that is trying to take your pistol, drop the magazine just like you would with the S&W and if you are actually losing the gun, pull the trigger (assuming it's not pointed at you at that time). Now your gun is not capable of shooting you should he get it away from you. If by chance after dropping the magazine you regain complete control, you still have one round to use.

Flash Hole
January 1, 2003, 12:20 PM
No

An anser to a problem that does not exists.
JOHN

Tim
January 1, 2003, 12:46 PM
[QUOTE]They are the work of PC politicians...

The magazine safety has been around much longer than "PC".

isaidme
January 1, 2003, 01:48 PM
My line of thinking is a home defense situation in which it is completely dark and you cant tell where the BG is.If I am rushed on from a dirrection other then strait on and there is a strugle over the pistol I want to be able to dump the mag and then take my chances with hand to hand!Thats just me though.

waterdog
January 1, 2003, 02:35 PM
A mag disconnect could get you killed.

waterdog

NJ3
January 1, 2003, 04:10 PM
My S&W 422 has one, and I don't like them.

JPM70535
January 1, 2003, 04:26 PM
As a rule I like the MDS on Smith autos. I never gave any thought to the possibility that if a BG got control of my weapon in a struggle, I could disable it by ejecting the magazine. I liked the MDS because I could safely hand my pistol to another trooper or other person if the occasion arose and be sure of no NDs without having to clear the chamber. If the SHTF , Murphys Law, all I had to do was reinsert the mag and go.

I dont miss the absence of an MDS on other autos, but I am a lot more careful about clearing the weapon before I release it from my control. I guess it all depends on what I carry.

ArmaLube
January 1, 2003, 05:03 PM
Magazine disconnects introduce another element that can cause weapon failure. Should a magazine become lost or damaged, the weapon becomes useless.

In an emergency, one could single-feed a round (with magazine absent) and still fire the pistol. S&W 1076s that were sold to the FBI had this feature removed by Government specification.

Though it originated as a well-intended safety feature, the magazine disconnect is best relegated to oblivion, where it belongs. The grip safety, while it won't disable your pistol, is a similar concept that is better replaced with newer safety features (notably firing pin blocking devices).

cratz2
January 1, 2003, 08:09 PM
No way, no how. If I pull the trigger with a round in the chamber, any gun should go BANG!

buttrap
January 2, 2003, 06:30 AM
Well the bottom line is if it has a mad saftey its got a really pee poor trigger pull. all guns that have the mad saftey still in them are a bit ahhh may as well have a lanyard to pull vs a trigger.

Jeff OTMG
January 2, 2003, 09:51 PM
All my disconnects are disconnected.

Ledbetter
January 2, 2003, 10:09 PM
Lawyers probably made them install them so the negligent do not make the error of removing the mag and thinking they've unloaded the weapon.

It's for stupid people. Some firms no longer design weapons for smart people because of the abundance of dunces. It's been getting like this for too long because of idiotic legal decisions.

isaidme
January 2, 2003, 10:17 PM
Im not going to argue my point as it really doesnt matter!I would just like to point out that some of these responses are imature and stupid.I did enjoy reading the views of those who had a straight forward and insightfull opinion.:rolleyes:

cheygriz
January 2, 2003, 10:47 PM
I would not own a weapon with a magazine disconnect. To me, they are dangerous! I don't want my weapon put out of commission completely if I drop the mag or it malfunctions. I want the ability to at least have a single shot.

triggertime
January 2, 2003, 11:04 PM
"All my disconnects are disconnected." - Jeff OTMG

Hey Jeff, are all your connectors connected? :p

gbelleh
January 2, 2003, 11:27 PM
I don't like them. Only one of my pistols has a mag disconnect (Bersa .380). I would realy like to disable it.

If a BG was trying to get your gun :uhoh: it seems to me it would be difficult and unnatural to try to release the magazine...

Blackhawk
January 3, 2003, 01:07 AM
No, and if one ever showed up on one, it would be removed.

eagles1181
January 3, 2003, 12:46 PM
My carry gun is a glock. I chose this weapon for its simplicity and the fact that this is as few things that can go wrong as you can get in a semi-auto. Mag safeties are just one more way Murphy can work his way into the picture. Not a bad concept on a competition gun or other range weapon. However, when TSHF I want the gun to go BANG, without having to worry about anything but pulling the trigger.

Eagle

tobeat1
January 3, 2003, 01:56 PM
NO! Ughh. Cannot stand the things.

firestar
January 4, 2003, 03:15 AM
Some people have been saying that in the event of a struggle, they could disable their own gun etc. What about the reverse? What if the bad guy hits the MDS on your gun and then you are left with no weapon?

I vote no, I like to keep things simple and a MDS is not simple.

BTW, instead of trying to press the mag release while in a struggle for your gun, why don't you try to get your gun back?

Jeff OTMG
January 6, 2003, 11:16 PM
I had to go check, but yes my connectors are connected and disconnectors are disconnected. I sure wouldn't want my disconnectors connected and my connectors disconnected. That could really get me in trouble. ;)

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