Should I get a lawyer?


January 1, 2003, 03:45 PM
I open carry my weapon sometimes (I live in VA) and am getting my ccw soon. I know that if I am ever in the unfortunate situation of having to use the gun to defend myself and I am successful, the cops will show up. I also know that the best thing to do is to refuse to make a statement 'till I talk to a lawyer. My question is this: Should I get a lawyer beforehand so I actually have someone to call? How do y'all handle that?

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Robert inOregon
January 1, 2003, 04:07 PM
Talk to a lawyer first about the what if... and what does it cost to... Maybe do a casual consultation and lunch type of deal so they won't crack you the full $250 an hour. I did it and it was sobering to say the least. Try to find a lawyer through the gun community too. Best through a gun store, range or club. And make sure that he specializes in criminal law.

January 1, 2003, 04:23 PM
When I wanted to consult a lawyer regarding a gun issue, I called GOA and they referred me to one in my area. He turned out to be a nice guy, did a lot of work apparently for GOA, and answered my basic questions over the phone.

4v50 Gary
January 1, 2003, 05:45 PM
Talk to the bailiffs and find out who is a good lawyer when it comes to criminal defense. Write his name down and get the # from the phone book. When you need him/her, then give him a call.

January 1, 2003, 07:30 PM
Hiring a lawyer before the fact has some implications, but the worst thing is that the lawyer has to agree to take your case on a case by case basis. You can get around that by putting a CD lawyer on retainer, but then those pesky implications are worse for you.

Find out now who the best CD lawyers are that also handle gun cases. Check them out. If one you're interested in never goes to trial and all his clients end up plea bargaining, be leery. If another one appears to be poor, be leery. SD lawyers get rich by winning for clients able to pay -- sad fact but there it is. The best CD lawyer isn't going to take your case unless you can pay what will amount to very stiff fees.

Nevertheless, you need the ability to pay, and the relationship with a lawyer who CAN and will do CD work and whom you LIKE personally, morally, and professionally. He might be your CPA/Attorney or whatever. Point is, he needs to have his toe in the lawyer world deeply enough to know who the big guns are. When you need him, he'll do the blocking and assessment of your case. The former is to keep you protected, and the latter is to take the facts to one of the big guns should you need one.

The fact is, a big gun is NOT going to go down to the jail to interview you nor is he going to appear for you in a bail hearing. If he's been hired previously, he's going to send a flunky to do those things. You might as well have your own lawyer do them, and referrals from lawyers to lawyers are much more effective than from non-lawyers to lawyers.

Just think of it like the way your doctor works. He'll do a preliminary examination, then if a specialist is called for, he'll make a referral.

January 1, 2003, 07:51 PM
Ditto Blackhawks comments 100%

Baba Louie
January 1, 2003, 08:00 PM

Deadhead? Here? Hmmmm. (sig line)

When you can afford to, take an LFI Class with THE M. Ayoob. Read his book, In the Gravest Extreme. When I took the CCW course here in LV, our instructor preached the Ayoob line about not scrimping on your gun, your ammo AND your lawyer.

All good advice above.

Love the sig line. Saw them each year in Vegas and several times back in the 70's during my collegiate years.


January 1, 2003, 08:45 PM
Deadhead? Here? Hmmmm. (sig line)

Yeah. What is funny to me (and this is really a whole other subject) is that though various members of the Dead had feelings about the war in Vietnam which were not supportive, they were not an "anti-war" band. And they were all gun-toters. They used to have simulated gunfights w/blanks in the middle of the streets with bands like Jefferson Airplane.

Would love to take the Ayoob course. 2 things preventing me:

I am getting some training for the use of firearms. Hopefully I'll be able to take care of this stuff in the future.

January 2, 2003, 12:08 PM
Blackhawks advice is extremely sound advice.

January 2, 2003, 12:31 PM
If you don't know a lawyer, now's the time. If your family has one that it uses, ask 'em who they'd call if they got arrested for any reason.

I've got a friend (!) who is a defense attorney, and a darn good gone. I've also got a sister who is a lawyer.

I'm also a deadhead. It's amazing how many NRA, "don't tread on me" etc., stickers you'll see on vehicles that also have a Stealie on 'em...

If you can, get 'hold of the thing that was circulating a few years back on "your rights as a deadhead" regarding searches, etc... Good advice regardless.

January 2, 2003, 12:33 PM
It might be possible to find a lawyer that specialzes in gun related matters, but also does other legal work. If so, you could have him doing some routine thing like helping you draw up a will or something and form a relationship without it seeming that you expected to need him for more serious business later.
Sometimes appearances are important.

January 2, 2003, 12:58 PM
I agree with blackhawk completely except for one point. I dont really think it matters if you like the lawyer personally or morally. You want someone that will win. Period!

David Park
January 2, 2003, 01:15 PM
Blackhawk (and Jeeper) have it right. Ayoob gives pretty much the same advice, saying you don't need a high-powered criminal defense attorney right away, you just need someone who can habeas your corpus out of jail ASAP. :)

doseyclwn, VCDL has been bringing Ayoob to Richmond, VA, for the past two years. He hopefully will be back this fall. I can't help you with the money part, though (had the same problem and missed LFI II).

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