Thoughts on external extractor 1911s?


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Skunkabilly
January 2, 2003, 01:28 AM
What are your thoughts on external extractors on 1911s?

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dsk
January 2, 2003, 02:09 AM
The original specification for 1911 extractors called for properly heat-treated spring-steel. Such extractors rarely ever fail. Many modern 1911s use cast, or worse yet MIM (metal injection molded) extractors. That's why so many extractors are problematic these days, not because of the design itself.

Sam
January 2, 2003, 02:13 AM
I like them, to the point that I have fitted out a Firestorm to play with for a while.
Don't know if all of them are as good as this but mine is a keeper.
So far most Colt parts interchange. Fitting 1911 bbls isn't hard.

Sam

ruger357
January 2, 2003, 09:37 AM
The new Dan Wesson 1911 has an external, doesn't it?

Shmackey
January 2, 2003, 10:48 AM
The new Dan Wesson 1911 has an external, doesn't it?

Yep. DW Patriot. Wilson and Kimber make models too.

Tamara
January 2, 2003, 11:17 AM
The long, spring-steel, carefully tensioned, internal extractor is definitely a holdover from the days when you could get folks to whittle on steel for $0.25 per day.

The external, pivoting extractor (while arguably uglier) gives away nothing in terms of function to the older design.

Gewehr98
January 2, 2003, 01:52 PM
From the same folks who brought us Series 80 lockwork, and magazine safeties. :scrutiny:

Tamara
January 2, 2003, 02:00 PM
Yes, but both of those items negatively impact the functioning of the gun, whereas I can't see how an external extractor does.

Even the BHP has one now.

All my 1911's have internal extractors, but all my internal extractors were either top-flight stuff straight from the factory (Les Baer, Springfield Pro) or replaced with top-flight aftermarket stuff after buying them (V-10, Stainless Loaded).

While an external extractor is, indeed, an aesthetic crime against nature on a 1911, I don't see where that matters on a matte-black working gun. ;)

Gewehr98
January 2, 2003, 02:10 PM
Just not keen on them, both from the aesthetic value of the 1911, and some non-fun with other guns using them. Had one on my Kahr K9 depart the gun at a high rate of speed, but that was due to me firing 9mm +P+ fodder with an old recoil spring. S&W won't do any work requiring test firing of my early Model 52, because they no longer have replacement spare external extractors.

How about those dual-extractor Peter Stahl 1911 variants? Not taking any chances there, was he? ;)

45auto
January 2, 2003, 03:11 PM
I think the Kimber external extractor is the least obtrusive of the bunch. Looks aside, if they work better, longer, etc then it's a good change. Although the internal is easy and quick to change!!
I don't have any experience with it, but the Aftec extractor seems to have the best of both worlds- except for the very high price!

Climb14er
January 2, 2003, 06:05 PM
via the Dan Wesson Patriot. One of the reasons I ordered the DW is because of the extractor and the carbon blue frame and slide.

tdow
January 4, 2003, 01:49 AM
The original design is fine if it is done correctly. The issue came about from gun makers turning out an inferior product to make a buck, or not taking the time to do it right.

How many extra small, moving parts does the external extractor have in comparison to the original? The hook on the external extractor also seems thinner and weaker. The spring seems like it would take a set a lot quicker than a properly tensioned "internal" extractor.

--tdow

Don45cal
January 4, 2003, 06:50 AM
I just don't like the way they look!

Not to mention that they would then be exposed to more of what could "accidently" happen.

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