Record Moose in Russia


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Black Dragon
January 2, 2003, 10:34 AM
This was one of the last posts on the TFL Hunting Forum.
If this picture comes out, it's of a Moose said to have been taken in Kamchatka Russia. That's all
the information there is. Does anyone know anything else??

Thanks

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Soap
January 2, 2003, 11:18 AM
:what:

Justin
January 2, 2003, 11:20 AM
I'll second your :what:

And raise you an egads!

Black Dragon
January 2, 2003, 12:38 PM
I found out a little more about the moose for everyone.

This moose was killed on the Kamchatka Peninsula (Russia) in December of 2001. He scored 550ish SCI (Safari Club International).

:what:

Keith
January 2, 2003, 03:29 PM
I get pretty suspicious of any "record" scored by SCI. If it was a real record, it would be scored by Boone and Crockett.

Keith

Dr.Rob
January 2, 2003, 07:02 PM
Quick Natasha! Now we get squirrel!:neener:

That's a heap big moose, no matter where he was scored.

Guyon
January 2, 2003, 07:05 PM
Looks like something out of the Ice Age. Makes me wonder if somebody has been playing with Photoshop.

SIGarmed
January 2, 2003, 07:10 PM
Photoshop or they got a midget to pose next to the moose. :D

El Tejon
January 2, 2003, 08:11 PM
Moi Bok! Ochen bolshoi zhivothoe, tovarish!

Protein aplenty. And he got it with?:confused:

Keith
January 2, 2003, 08:14 PM
It's just a typical trophy picture with the guy sitting behind the animal to allow foreshortening to make the rack look bigger.

The worlds record (B&C) moose is an 80 incher, I don't think this one goes anywhere near that.

Keith

Redlg155
January 2, 2003, 10:13 PM
Looks fake to me. It looks a bit unreal.

But then I've only seen Alaska Moose up close. Perhaps their Red cousins grow much larger.

Good Shooting
RED

Rangerover
January 2, 2003, 11:36 PM
There may be some photo-trickery going on here...

But still... :what:

cardboardkiller
January 3, 2003, 01:55 AM
The Kamchatka peninsula is known for some of the largest brown bears in the world, looks like they have big moose too.

Rangerover
January 4, 2003, 10:03 PM
This "Mega-Moose" thread got me to wondering if one can trust ANY fish and game photos one finds on the web anymore...

Take these two bear photos, for example. I HIGHLY suspect that the photos have been "doctored". According to the accounts I read of it, the guy bagged a big bruin (he claims this monster "charged" him from 30 yards and he gunned it down), but THIS big? The general consensus among my friends is that the paw photo MAY be real, but the other one...well, I'll let everyone decide for themselves. He allegedly bagged the beast on someplace called "Hitchenbrook Island" in Alaska. Oh, and I couldn't find out what kind of cannon he used to dispatch the leviathan. If anything CLOSE to this size "charged" me I think I'd just burst into tears, throw down my gun, and let it eat me...I doubt there'd be much I could do about it.

If nothing else it's good for a :what:

http://www.scottstiegler.com/animal/images/Tedbear1_2.jpg
http://www.scottstiegler.com/animal/images/TedPaw_2.jpg

Byron Quick
January 5, 2003, 02:51 AM
Bear photos were in an Air Force periodical after the airman killed it. Used a .338 Win Mag if I remember correctly.

Rangerover
January 5, 2003, 03:55 AM
Byron:

Yeah, from what I could gather, that's what the folks on that other site were saying. But several different people have told me (as the guys were discussing above) that it's not uncommon these days for people to occasionally "pad" the pictures a little to make it look more impressive. I have no idea how to spot something like that.

If the info I read was correct, the bear in question WAS one huge critter, though I couldn't find out if he was a record setter or not...there seemed to be some controversy over that and the legality of where it was killed, etc.

Regardless, even if these particular photos aren't EXACTLY to scale, the guy did bag a monster bear, no doubt about it. I can't imagine something like that charging at me out of the trees from 30 yards away. The thing's paw was practically as wide as that guy's body... :eek:

Keith
January 5, 2003, 01:12 PM
Neither of the photo's are "padded" by doctoring with a graphics program.
They are padded by having the guy sit well behind the animal when the photo is taken making the animal appear larger than it is - or the hunter smaller, depending on how you look at it. Stick your thumb about three feet in in front of your lens when you take a picture and it will look as big as a the subjects head - foreshortening - every guide in the world knows how to take that picture.

I don't really know how big the moose is because with a side shot of the rack it's hard to tell. The bear pictures are of a fairly standard sized brown bear - a good bear, but no monster by any means. Nothing that would make the record books.

I can tell on the bear by the shape of the head. A really large brown bear has blocky "squared" head, while the bear in the picture doesn't have that shape. It looks more like a black bears head which is typical of a bear smaller than 9 1/2 feet.

The attached picture is of a honest ten foot bear which probably exceeds the size (weight) of the bear in the doctored photo by 50% or so. There is no photo tricks used in this picture. The hunter is a friend of mine by name of Dwight Van Brunt. Even though this bear is MUCH larger, it still didn't even "make book".

Rangerover
January 5, 2003, 02:43 PM
Excellent info, Keith! I noticed when comparing the two photos that the "Mega-Bear" guy in my post didn't have his hand on the bear's head or even seem to be touching the animal at all, whereas your friend was obviously grabbing fur. This certainly allows for a far more accurate estimation of how big the animal really was.

Now I'll know what to look for when I see an apparently Godzilla sized animal like the bear in question.

Me and cameras? Get me started taking pictures and that's what I'll most likely wind up with: a photo of my thumb.

Keith
January 5, 2003, 03:41 PM
I wish somebody had a frontal shot of that moose rack. The record is 82 inches (spread) and 72 inchers are taken every year.
The one in the photo doesn't look that large - an 80 + inch rack would a be foot wider than a mans height.

Keith

Okiecruffler
January 6, 2003, 06:48 AM
Mind you, a moose bite can be pretty nasty.

bronco61
January 7, 2003, 02:44 PM
It's a nice moose but not obnoxiously huge. One of my student's got a 75 incher 2 years ago here in Cordova but that's not all too uncommon. (where that bear that Rangerover showed was also shot). 79" moose are the monsters here. They are extremely rare.

ezoeni
January 8, 2003, 04:24 AM
I saw my first moose up close in alaska. We were fishing for rainbows when my friend said "hey look at the moose" So we motor up to this aminal and got right next to it swimming across the kenai.

I could not believe on how big these criters are. They are huge and the rack on this one was massive. It had to be at least 5-6 feet across.

An amazing site.

BrianW
January 9, 2003, 03:11 PM
That looks like a very nice moose with great palms, but no kinda record. Looks to me like the guy is sitting right behind the far antler, which puts him about 7' from the camera, with the near palm practically in the lens. As long as the guy is touching the game, it's a "fair" photo shot.

That Hinchinbrook bear was nice, but no whopper as Keith stated. I know several ppl who saw the hide and skull, including the state game biologist, all agree on sizing. Some air force folks got a little out of control in the email sizing of the bear, tho...

Keith
January 9, 2003, 03:55 PM
Brian,

I hadn't thought about that, but I'm sure you've hit the nail on the head about that Hinchinbrook bear! This was a bunch of Air Force guys from Elmendorf who had never even seen a brown bear before, so when they got this one they freaked out and created this legend.

Most people, even in Alaska, have never seen a brown bear up close. Verbal descriptions just don't sink in, while photo's are usually out of scale or have no scale - it's just "a bear".

When I first came to Kodiak, gee.. it must be 14 years ago now... The first bears I saw were at some distance, and may have been sows or juveniles, but in any case they didn't seem to be "that big". The first large male I saw up close was on a deer hunting trip when me and a friend surprised a big boar sleeping on a ridge we had just crested. This big old boy jumped up a few yards from us and I was just STUNNED by the size of the animal! You just don't comprehend how big these critters are until you see one up close.

An old friend and former bear guide once used the analogy that a really large boar standing up on his hind legs is around 12 or even 13 feet high. That's just a number until you look at the nearest door and realize that 13 feet is nearly twice that high! Picture such an animal waking and standing up in the brush next to you, irritated at being disturbed - picture him looking at you.

Picture buying new shorts...

Keith

BrianW
January 10, 2003, 03:53 AM
Keith, great story! Years ago, when I first started guiding, I asked the highly-experienced guide I was working for how to judge the size of a bear. He said, "if you have any question how big it is, it isn't that big. But you'll know a huge bear when you see it."

Bob Reeves' bear, now there's a toad!

Keith
January 10, 2003, 01:24 PM
Yeah, I think you're right about that "you'll know when you see it" rule.
Somebody should make a good video on judging brown bears. The local F&G office has such a video, but it's filmed in Canada someplace using grizzlies. You can learn a few general rules from that film, but is has almost no relevance to brown bears. The biggest bear in that film would be considered a sub-adult if you saw it up here.

There's way too many sows and young bears taken just because people can't judge bears.

Keith

bronco61
January 10, 2003, 03:50 PM
BrianW,

You have until May1 to bag a "toad" up our secret creek. After that, I'm going up there and getting it. I've given you 3 years since you proclaimed it "your" creek. :D

Notice has been served! LOL

BrianW
January 11, 2003, 02:26 PM
RFLMAO!! You'll be alone on the creek with the dippers, as there's a shortage of salmon in that creek, and all others, in the springtime. Hence, a similar shortage of bruins.

I lost interest in that creek when I found out it was in Unit 6c and owned by the Eyak Corp.

Have fun!

Glamdring
June 4, 2003, 11:02 AM
In Anthropology you put a ruler or yard/meter stick alongside the object you are photographing. Provides scale.

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