You know what I'd really like in a pump shotgun?


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Nightcrawler
January 2, 2003, 05:24 PM
Here's what I think I'd really like in a pump shotgun. It could work for a semiauto too, I suppose.

-Steel receiver, side ejection.
-Tang mounted safety (ala Browning or Mossberg), big, easy to see/feel, and made of steel.
-Parkerized or more durable finish.
-Ghost ring sights, protected by wings.
-Blade front sight, securely mounted into the barrel.
-7 or 8 round magazine tube, depending on barrel length.
-3.5" chamber, for maximum ammo versatility.
-Sling swivel studs, with option for mounting over-the-shoulder style sling.
-Hammer forged, chrome lined barrel.
-Interchangable chokes, for maximum shot pattern versatility.
-Steel trigger guard, trigger, safety, etc.
-Nice, decent trigger, possibly military two-stage.
-Winchester 1300 style rotary bolt, making the action slick as butter right out of the box. This would also be able to cycle Aguila mini-shells, again, for maximum ammo versatility.
-Weaver rail mounted on top of the receiver, for the option to mount optics.
-Optional heat shield, for people like me who will add a feature simply because it looks cool.
-Handguard can be replaced with one that accepts a forend light.
-Different style stocks. Standard ones, folding ones, pistol grip ones, and a pistol-grip stock that's fully adjustable for length of pull. Similar to the Benelli M4, but with four positions like an M4 Carbine stock, instead of all the way in or all the way out.
-Completely ambidextrious design. "Right side ejection?" you ask? Yes. As a lefty, I LIKE right side ejection. It makes it very easy to drop a shell in the chamber without removing your firing hand from firing grip. This would include an ambidextrious, easy to manipulate slide release.
-Folding stocks and such would be made of steel, with nice cushy buttpads.
-Sidesaddle option.
-Trigger loop and controls big enough for use with heavy winter gloves (some of us live where it's cold).
-Very easy to disassemble without tools.

For me, anyway, this gun would combine the best features of a variety of different guns on the market. I would like it, even if no one else would. :D

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HSMITH
January 2, 2003, 05:35 PM
Aside from the mini-shells, sights and sight rails, and tacticool light mounting stuff I would REALLY like to see your shotgun built. Not having a tang safety is a travesty that should embarass all gun makers that do not make them. I would add that a backbored barrel would be desireable too, with the chromed bore and chamber of course. If it could be done under 8 pounds it would be even better!!

firestar
January 2, 2003, 06:09 PM
Is that all?



I'm pretty happy with my Rem 870 HD except for a few things you mentioned: plastic trigger gaurd, crappy safty (who uses a cross bolt safty except on a Daisy BB gun?), finish is prone to rust, a little heavy.

Nightcrawler
January 2, 2003, 06:17 PM
The sight rail, light mounting handguard, etc., would be aimed at the law enforcement market. I prefer my guns pretty stock, myself. Ideally, the weaver rail would be detachable, to save weight.

Correia
January 2, 2003, 07:38 PM
A few points.

You want multiple stock options but a tang safety. Tang safeties suck to operate on a pistol grip (w/ stock of course). You have to totally move your firing hand to operate the safety.

The Winchester rotating bolt is truely neat, but I don't think the design of the bolt has much to do with the slickness. In my very limited experience I would have to say that the finish on the internals is a lot more important than the design of the bolt.

Agree with you on just about everything else.

HS/LD
January 2, 2003, 07:57 PM
I would want:

Aluminum reciever (light and strong)
Rotating bolt
Slick action
3" chamber
8 round capacity
Sling mounts
Light
Side saddle

Oh I have a Winchester Defender now all I need is the light and side saddle.:D

Regards,
HS/LD

Badger Arms
January 2, 2003, 10:41 PM
Agreed with Correina about the tang safety, I prefer the Ithaca or Remington because you CAN use it with a PG stock. Also agree with the comment about the slickness of the action. One thing you MIGHT want to consider is that the rotating bolt actions and 3.5" actions require a much longer slide movement which increases the likelyhood of short-stroking.

Receiver materials, I'd like a composite receiver with steel inserts. Give me an aluminum or graphite-epoxy barrel. Then use the weight savings for a mercury recoil reduction device and the all that extra crap that some people want on their guns (like sidesaddles, heat shields, etc.)

Redlg155
January 3, 2003, 12:40 AM
I'd like to see a magazine cutoff incorporated also. Especially useful if you are topped off with the max number of shells in your weapon and you want to change the load at the last minute.


Good Shooting
Red

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