N.Korea Defense Chief Vows to Punish 'U.S. Hawks'


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Seeker
December 24, 2002, 05:07 PM
The Story (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=1&cid=578&u=/nm/20021224/ts_nm/korea_north_defense_dc)

I guess the North Koreans are feelin' a little froggy. Heard a clip on the radio yesterday where some Pentagon or Govt type saying we could handle war with Iraq and N. Korea at the same time - guess he was feelin' a little froggy, too.
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SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea (news - web sites)'s military will deal "merciless punishment" to the United States in the event of nuclear war, Pyongyang's Defense Minister Kim Il-chol said on Tuesday.


Ratcheting up North Korea's often belligerent rhetoric amid tensions over the communist state's nuclear weapons program, Kim said his army will "fight to the end against the imperialists and class enemies under the present serious situation.


"The U.S. hawks are arrogant enough to groundlessly claim that the DPRK (North Korea) has pushed ahead with a "nuclear program," bringing its hostile policy toward the DPRK to an extremely dangerous phase," the state-run Korean Central News Agency quoted Kim as saying.


"If they, ignorant of their rival, dare provoke a nuclear war, the army and people of the DPRK led by Kim Jong-il, the invincible commander, will rise up to mete out determined and merciless punishment to the U.S. imperialist aggressors with the might of single-hearted unity more powerful than A-bomb," he said.


North Korea, denounced by President Bush (news - web sites) as a member of an "axis of evil" with Iraq and Iran, has set alarm bells ringing by removing U.N. monitoring equipment at a nuclear reactor capable of yielding weapons-grade plutonium.

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Tamara
December 24, 2002, 05:12 PM
...since the end of the Cold War, I'd forgotten how much I missed KommunistPressReleaseSpeak.

I just wish he'd used the phrase "running-dog lackeys of the bourgoise", 'cause that was my favorite.

Preacherman
December 24, 2002, 05:19 PM
"If they, ignorant of their rival, dare provoke a nuclear war, the army and people of the DPRK led by Kim Jong-il, the invincible commander, will rise up to mete out determined and merciless punishment to the U.S. imperialist aggressors with the might of single-hearted unity more powerful than A-bomb,"That is, provided they can feed their army - most of the country is existing on US and EU food aid right now... :rolleyes:

Hey - Skunk's over there right now! Can we get him to ship them some radioactive kimchee??? :D

Airwolf
December 24, 2002, 05:24 PM
Ah yes... As a child of the cold war I used to spend hours with my shortwave listening to the bombastic diatribes from Radio Moscow and Radio Pyongyang. Ah, the memories of days gone by.:D

You can still get a taste of that on-line:

http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm

This one just killed me:

Peasants' recreation begins in Korea

Pyongyang, December 23 (KCNA) --The winter recreation of agricultural working people has begun in Korea. According to Hong Sung Dok, deputy director of the Bureau of Recreation of the Ministry of Labor, a large number of peasants are enjoying themselves at the expense of the state at recreation centers situated in nearly twenty scenic spots including Mt. Kobang, Sokam, Mt. Myohyang, Sokdamgugok and the Sokwangsa area.

During the 15-day holidays, they visit revolutionary sites and scenic spots, have art performances and enjoy folk plays, amusements, sports games, etc.

For the holidaymakers from different farms, the Kobangsan Recreation Centre organizes a visit to the Korean Revolution Museum and appreciation of art performances in theatres in Pyongyang and such amusements as yut and chess. They also hold an art performance themselves.

At the Sokam Recreation Centre, peasants in South Phyongan Province visit revolutionary sites and scenic spots, meet to exchange their experience in this year's farming and give impressions of books they read and play volleyball, basketball, table-tennis and sports events.

The period of the peasants' annual recreation is from early December to late February next year.

eviltravis
December 24, 2002, 05:30 PM
That "invincible commander" crack is kind of funny. This is kind of a "My A-bomb is bigger than your A-bomb!" exchange going on.

Tamara
December 24, 2002, 05:34 PM
"...the might of single-hearted unity more powerful than A-bomb"

If I recall correctly, the Imperial Japanese military was all ate up with single-hearted unity.

It proved to be somewhat less powerful, however, than an A-bomb.

Watchman
December 24, 2002, 05:56 PM
Same trash that we hear from the middle east.

These Yahoos on Korea are still thinking with a WW2 mentality.

They proabably dont even realize that we could literally waste the whole country without ever setting foot on N. Korean soil.

You would think that with a score of something like a 1000+ to 1 kill ratio in Desert Storm, that they would remember that. Even with that ratio it was mostly friendly fire.

Slotback
December 24, 2002, 05:59 PM
Airwolf:
That is great one heck of a press release. Too bad Pyongyang doesn't say what their poor peasants are going to eat-which is roots or the like-if they are lucky.

Scott Evans
December 24, 2002, 06:31 PM
Korea is a threat in as much as it could trigger real war with China. China can, or is very near able, to make a serious go of it. Prudence on our part demands that any action against Korea be worth all out war with China. The Koreans being aware of this are taunting.

Blackcloud6
December 24, 2002, 07:54 PM
Shaking in my boots.

Schuey2002
December 24, 2002, 08:50 PM
One Boomer could totally devistate the northern part of the Korean Peninsula..

Bring it on!

Frank Jones
December 24, 2002, 09:05 PM
I did not know that "hawk" was a term in common usage by the Joyful Children of the Invincible Commander.

Unless of course, the rays of his immortal leadership now shine upon UC Berkley.

JimP
December 25, 2002, 12:11 AM
They can have this place. The South doesn't want us here. We don't want us here. The assaults on US soldiers are increasing exponentially. Time to go.

Bruce H
December 25, 2002, 09:04 AM
The problem of fat mouth windbags from any country is they have the uncanny ability to get us common folk killed. They never come close to harm. The really bad part is they have very fragile egos. When they start running around with their lower lip pushed out, sniveling, someone is going to get it.

Lennyjoe
December 25, 2002, 09:33 AM
JimP, Im with you brother. You close to the Osan AB area?

North Korea is using this whole thing to try and blackmail the U.S. into giving them back the oil and stuff they were used to getting in the past. They know they will get that backside kicked if we go to blows.

Stetson_CO
December 25, 2002, 10:13 AM
Let's bring our guys home.

Just do a massive pull out, all monies and infrastructure...bring it home. If its movable, pack it. If it isn't, destroy it. Put the soldiers and airmen on our southern border.

Just my opinion.

c):{

Tady45
December 25, 2002, 12:57 PM
Let them eat snow and freeze to death over there! If that entire commie country were to be isolated by the world, they would come begging for our help. Big brother China keeps them afloat...


Larry

M2HMGHB
December 25, 2002, 01:54 PM
That's the one thing i never hear anyone mentioning. I have yet to hear a news caster or anybody say that a war with Korea could very well escalate into a war with China. Any modern info on China's military strength?

Finch
December 25, 2002, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by M2HMGHB
That's the one thing i never hear anyone mentioning. I have yet to hear a news caster or anybody say that a war with Korea could very well escalate into a war with China. Any modern info on China's military strength?

People's Liberation Army (PLA): comprises ground forces, Navy (including naval infantry and naval aviation), Air Force, and II Artillery Corps (strategic missile force), People's Armed Police Force (internal security troops, nominally a state security body but included by the Chinese as part of the "armed forces" and considered to be an adjunct to the PLA), militia

Military manpower

military age: 18 years of age (2002 est.)

availability: males age 15-49: 370,087,489 (2002 est.)

fit for military service: males age 15-49: 203,003,036 (2002 est.)

reaching military age annually: males: 10,089,458 (2002 est.)

Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$20.048 billion (2002); note - this is the officially announced figure, but actual defense spending more likely ranges from $45 billion to $65 billion for 2002

Source - http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html#Military
-------------------------------------------------

I think we'd be in for a fight...

Blackhawk
December 25, 2002, 03:46 PM
Idle threat. In the event of nuclear war between NK and the U.S., there won't be any NK left. We're still trying to figure out how to make one small enough to use there.... :D

JimP
December 25, 2002, 07:41 PM
LennyJoe, you the Hawg-driver from Osan?? I'm up at CRC. Give me a shout sometime if you ever feel frisky about coming North. I'll be down your neck of the woods someday soon for some R&R. Will give you a shout and we can drink sdome normal beer.

Stetson - While I'm waiting for my beer here, please go down to Jack Quinns and drink a draft of Guinness for me. I miss the springs. :(

Watchman
December 25, 2002, 07:45 PM
Well then...

there is your 200 Million Man Army that will march on the Middle East...sometime in the future...

Bergeron
December 25, 2002, 11:35 PM
Y'know, I really wonder why we were even shipping food and oil to that rat-hole of nation. They think that communism is so great, let them live without our capalist genorosity.

JimP
December 26, 2002, 12:17 AM
Y'all can thank that idiot "Peanut" (Jimmy-Carter) and $Bill for this one. Appeasement went out with the hula-hoop. What the heck were these idiots thinking??

PATH
December 26, 2002, 12:31 AM
China has a lot of folks in the military but as in the korean war they will be slaughtered if they get into a shooting match with the U.S.. I think the Chinese will reign in the comrades if the flow of exports from China to Wal-Mart is threatened in any way!

Lord Grey Boots
December 26, 2002, 03:20 AM
In the book Bush At War, GWB's view of the North Korean gov't is pretty clear. He has satellite photos of North Korean concentration camps etc on his desk. President Bush gets desk pounding furious when discussing the North Korean leader.

I think the current US gov't tactic of letting the North Korean gov't crank up the rhetoric and piss off all their neighbours is the right one now. Talk about giving them enough rope to hang themselves....

Malone LaVeigh
December 26, 2002, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by PATH
I think the Chinese will reign in the comrades if the flow of exports from China to Wal-Mart is threatened in any way! Truer words were never spoken.

Funny, though, the S Koreans have a different take on the issue:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1226-01.htm

Published on Thursday, December 26, 2002 by the Los Angeles Times
S. Koreans Shrug Off Nuclear Threat
Many believe the U.S. poses a bigger danger than the communist North. The young tend to view the crisis as a White House creation.
by Barbara Demick


SEOUL -- When Lee Jin Ju pauses to think about the nuclear crisis brewing over the Korean peninsula, she knows exactly whom she fears.

"George Bush," replies the 22-year-old accounting student without missing a beat. "He's a war maniac."

Lee doesn't like North Korea's Kim Jong Il much, either. "But we're not afraid of him. He's a Korean like us. Even if he does get the bomb, he's not going to use it against us."

This is a sentiment echoed by many Koreans -- even some conservatives -- and it is complicating U.S. efforts to forge a consensus on North Korea among its allies. There is a tendency, particularly among the young, to shrug off the current situation as the creation of a hysterical White House. Many South Koreans see their estranged brethren to the north more as objects of pity than of fear, and the Americans less as saviors who defended them against communism than as potential troublemakers.

Tamara
December 26, 2002, 05:21 PM
Two modifiers to your post:

A) South Korea has plenty of crap they need to keep selling at Wally World, too.

B) I'm sure I could've dredged up more than one young Green buckethead 20 years ago who would've gladly told a UPI stringer "Erich Honecker is a German like us..."


...but for the most part, I agree with you. ;)

BigG
December 26, 2002, 05:28 PM
Paging Fat Man and Little Boy...

Malone LaVeigh
December 26, 2002, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Tamara

A) South Korea has plenty of crap they need to keep selling at Wally World, too.
Yeah, I agree. That's why I thought the S. Korean's attitude was curious.

JimP
December 26, 2002, 07:07 PM
Guys, trust me. I live here. This is typical of the young koreans attitudes. They hate us. They have been programmed to think that it is the US that is keeping the countries apart. The old people are going quietly away while the young seem to be bent on reunification and getting rid of the US. They suck.

Tamara
December 26, 2002, 09:40 PM
Are you talking about Korea now, or Germany 15 years ago?

Either way, reunification and a US troop drawdown seems okey-dokey to me.

JimP
December 26, 2002, 10:04 PM
Korea now. All you need to do is say the word and I'll beat the Joes to the plane. The attitudes of these people since the "sunshine policy" came into vogue is unbelievable.

Seeker
December 27, 2002, 03:58 AM
Y'know, I really wonder why we were even shipping food and oil to that rat-hole of nation. So they will keep making Nikes':mad:

Seeker
December 27, 2002, 04:03 AM
Who thinks the NK nuclear palnts will 'explode' before they go into production?

I think the Japanese should fly over there and make like the Israelis did in Iraq 20 years ago.

I am off the opinion that the US should pull out of NK and let them make it on thier own - if they like freedom (like SK has now:rolleyes: ) they'll get themselves some otherwise they can be peasents for as long as they like.

Glock Glockler
December 27, 2002, 11:03 AM
I think the Chinese will reign in the comrades if the flow of exports from China to Wal-Mart is threatened in any way!

True, of course.

I was actually thinking that China might 1) sit back and do nothing or 2) actually give us a mild hand in kicking the snot out of NK. Just a thought...

Bahadur
December 27, 2002, 04:45 PM
They can have this place. The South doesn't want us here. We don't want us here. The assaults on US soldiers are increasing exponentially. Time to go.This too shall pass.

I am of the opinion that the ruling party in ROK encouraged a cynical and cheap anti-Americanism to benefit its left-wing candidate in the presidential election, because its candidate was way, way behind the conservative candidate initially (reminds you of the recent German election?). The now (extremely narrowly) defeated candidate for the Right, Lee Hoi-Chang, is considerably more pro-American. Now that the election is over, however, I expect the tune to change. Oh, guess what? As I type this, I see on the news that the incoming president, Roh, denounced the North today for its behavior.

Certainly a case can be made that ROK doesn't really need our help to defend itself from the North. But then again, ever since the Nixon-Ford-Carter days, our presence in ROK has been mostly symbolic (2nd ID and a handful of planes being "trip wire").
Just do a massive pull out, all monies and infrastructure...bring it home.There is nothing "massive" to pull out of ROK. Though ROK should be thankful to us for defending it while its people built up its prosperity, ROK pays us for much of the maintenance for our troops there.
Put the soldiers and airmen on our southern border.Ever hear of P-C Act?
Many South Koreans see their estranged brethren to the north more as objects of pity than of fear...Well, that much is true. The people of North Korea are in a pretty pitiful shape, thanks to the wonderfully economic policies of their Dear Leader (aka "invincible commander").

BUT, what something that many outsiders don't realize about South Korea is that the talk of "unification" is exactly that - talk only. The majority of South Koreans actually don't want unification. They've seen what happened to Germany after theirs, and the West Germans were a lot more prepared for the re-unification while East Germany was supposed to be the most advanced in the communist world. South Koreans know that North Korea, one of the most impoverished countries in the world, is going to be a terrible fit for one of the more vibrant economies in the world. There have been many reports in ROK press about how poorly recent escapees from the North have fared in the South (because of their inability to adjust to capitalism). They can just imagine about 10 million of these people flooding Seoul, begging for help.

Then why the talk of re-unification? Simple. Politics. The South Koreans who do want unification sincerely are either aging ex-northerners (refugees from 1940's and 50's) and their descendants. These folks form about 25% of the Southern population. Anyway you cut it, that's a big chunk of the voting public - no politician in Korea is going to alienate that vote by crying "the Emperor has no clothes!" - that the 75% of the population has absolutely no interest in re-unification, but pays lipservice to the "eventual" unity.
The attitudes of these people since the "sunshine policy" came into vogue is unbelievable.Poll after poll in Korea show that the so-called "Sunshine Policy" has been extremely unpopular in Korea (hence the government's cynical use of the recent unfortunate accident to encourage anti-Americanism to benefit its candidate).

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Y'know, I really wonder why we were even shipping food and oil to that rat-hole of nation.
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So they will keep making Nikes'Uh, hello!!! The original message (food and oil) was about NORTH Korea. North Korea does not make Nikes. SOUTH Korea USED to make Nikes, but Nike shifted production to cheaper countries (Malaysia, China, etc.) when South Korean became too expensive.

South Korean industry today relies on exports of electronics (liquid crystal displays, anyone?), semiconductors, cars, ships and steel. They are less dependent on textile export as that's shifted to less developed economies.
Who thinks the NK nuclear palnts will 'explode' before they go into production?

I think the Japanese should fly over there and make like the Israelis did in Iraq 20 years ago.Except the JSDF is not the IDF, nor does it have the same caliber of people or capabilities.
I am off the opinion that the US should pull out of NK and let them make it on thier own - if they like freedom (like SK has now ) they'll get themselves some otherwise they can be peasents for as long as they like.Huh? "the US should pull out of NK"? When were we in the North since 1953?

As for the belligerent rhetoric from North Korea, it is all a high stakes game of chicken. North Korea says "Americans must negotiate with us OR we continue developing the WMD." We say "We ain't gonna negotiate UNLESS North Koreans stop developing the WMD first." What the North Korean regime does not realize is that 2003 is not 1994 (we've had 9//11 for one thing) and Bush is not Clinton.

I agree with the White House insider who said that the North Koreans will blink first.

Glock Glockler
December 27, 2002, 06:08 PM
Bahadur,

Great to see that you've joined us.

Do you think that it's possible that China will actively or passively support us if we throw down with NK?

Bahadur
December 28, 2002, 07:43 AM
Glock Glocker:

Thanks. I don't know whether the new Chinese leadership will help or hinder us. I do know that they do NOT want the Northern regime to either implode or re-unify with the South (after a military victory by the US/ROK forces).

To that extent (and because they fear instability while they are going through economically delicate times), they may aid us behind the scene to pressure North Korea to "play ball" with us.

It's gonna be pretty funny to see North Korea backpedal when Iraq is done for swiftly, allowing us to concentrate on it fully. Then we will see an egg on the face of the "invincible commander."

BTW, the rhetoric from the North offers some clues about the inner power struggle among the leadership. Kim Jong-Il's relationship with the army has been tenuous (as he does not command its loyalty the way his father did), and the particular nuances of the language used to describe him (i.e. "invincible commander") offers some hints about how the power struggle is going. Or so says an ex-Kremlinologist! :)

Lennyjoe
December 28, 2002, 01:50 PM
Either way its getting tense over here.

V-fib
December 28, 2002, 03:29 PM
I say NUKE THEIR A$$ AND TAKE THE.... uh THE...ummTHE...

(what the heck does N. Korea have???):D

Waitone
December 28, 2002, 05:17 PM
I firmly believe Gulf War I provided an NFL greeting to the communist Chinese. Up to that time they actually believed their own press releases. But with the manhandling Sadaam received the Chinese rocked back and realised they were not in the same league as the US.

That assumption was confirmed during the Kosovo fiasco when the US "mistakenly" put three bombs into the Chinese embassy. When it occured I thought Clinton was sending a message that his quarterly PLA payment was not received in time. Fact of the matter is the Chinese embassy was playing communications hub for one of the sides in Kosovo. US said to knock it off. They didn't so the US put three (IIRC) precision bombs into not just the embassy, but into the communications section of the embassy.

China is well aware of what we can do militarily. My guess is they will sit on the bench until a clear benefit to their position can develop. What scares me though is China may think now is the time to begin the reunification process with Taiwan. That will being out the big firecrackers.

Bahadur
December 28, 2002, 06:31 PM
I say NUKE THEIR A$$ AND TAKE THE.... uh THE...ummTHE...

(what the heck does N. Korea have???)Lots and lots of... er... eh... um... hungry people?
What scares me though is China may think now is the time to begin the reunification process with Taiwan.Not likely. For one thing, China does not have the necessary amphibious capabilities YET.

Stetson_CO
December 28, 2002, 07:08 PM
Yes, I have head of the P-C act.

But isn't defense of our nation a military thing? To me, and alot of others, the mass influx of people is an invasion. Put them there to stop it. Open some new bases in the south western US and run exercises....

But this thread is not for that discussion.


c):{

jmbg29
December 28, 2002, 07:21 PM
Joyful Children of the Invincible CommanderROTFLMAO :D

V-fib
December 29, 2002, 03:21 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bahadur
[B]Lots and lots of... er... eh... um... hungry people?

Right and it's their governments own fault.
It was just a..er ummm joke:rolleyes:

Bahadur
December 30, 2002, 03:24 AM
But this thread is not for that discussion.Very true!
Right and it's their governments own fault.Actually, I tend to blame the imperialist puppet regime in Seoul. If they hadn't improved their economy with the imperialist handouts from America so much, the worker's paradise in the North would look much more attractive. Afterall, unlike the overweight imperialist puppet southerners, the free workers of the North are thin and in shape.
It was just a..er ummm joke.Oh...

JimP
December 30, 2002, 03:43 AM
bahadur, I swear if I get killed over here while there is a war going on in aff-gaff-aff-stan, I am going to be royally teed off. BTW, several of our guys from the G-3 section were refused service the other night down in Seoul. A big protest planned for New Years eve; lets hope they keep the firebombing to a minimum.

What is really teeing off the Americans here is that in Korea they do not recognize the right of self-defense like we do in the States. So, the radical students engineer confrontations - complete with cameramen - and then have our guys arrested. The cops are scared to death of the NGO's and even invite them into the police station to question GI's.

(I then went on to type a bunch of stuff that I shouldn't have so deleted it). That's all I'm gonna say 'bout that!

Zorro
December 30, 2002, 03:56 AM
Step 1. Nuke the North Korean Reactors.

Step 2. Warn Notrh Korea to NOT retailiate against South Korea.

Next step is Win/Win for the USA. Either North Korea does nothing and we are rid of the reactors or.....

North Korea Attacks! So much for South Korean Peace Activist! Then We Unload about 36 additional Nukes in defense of South Korea.

Result No North Korea and a Smarter South Korea. Possibly a Radioactive Seoul.

Simular Senario for Taiwan except one thing, Taiwan is a MAJOR! semiconductor supplier. No matter the standard European BS, the WORLD! would nuke China to protect the Semiconductor Supply from Taiwan.

M2HMGHB
December 30, 2002, 10:10 AM
Or China retaliates with nuclear weapons, or China launches assaults on South Korea, or they might go to Taiwan. You willing to bet the lives of millions of people in this game of poker?

Bahadur
December 30, 2002, 02:00 PM
JimP:
bahadur, I swear if I get killed over here while there is a war going on in aff-gaff-aff-stan, I am going to be royally teed off.Killed by what?
BTW, several of our guys from the G-3 section were refused service the other night down in Seoul. A big protest planned for New Years eve; lets hope they keep the firebombing to a minimum.As I wrote before, this too shall pass.

Zorro:
North Korea Attacks! So much for South Korean Peace Activist! Then We Unload about 36 additional Nukes in defense of South Korea.

Result No North Korea and a Smarter South Korea. Possibly a Radioactive Seoul.So, "let's destroy the village to save it" kind of a thing? Seoul has a population in excess of 10 million people.
Simular Senario for Taiwan except one thing, Taiwan is a MAJOR! semiconductor supplier.So is South Korea (as well as the leading supplier of LCDs). I like my LCD flatscreen. :)

Glock Glockler
December 30, 2002, 09:30 PM
Bahadur,

How will Japan fit into this deal?

If we do hit NK, do you think it'll only be a limited strike on their nuclear facilities, which will also serve as a warning, or do you think we'll put troops in and insist on a regime change?

If thinks remain basically as they, Japan will probbaly be slightly relieved, but if we take out the NK govt, will they change their constitution and rearm out of fear of the theat that a united Korea will pose to them?

Although it might take 50 years with the horrific state of NK's economy, the unification of the two will seriously change the balance of power in the region. What do you think?

Lennyjoe
December 30, 2002, 11:04 PM
So, the radical students engineer confrontations - complete with cameramen - and then have our guys arrested.

Happend down here too. Quite a few times actually.

Guy tried it on me and some buddies Chrismas Eve. SP's were right around the corner and they heard everything. He even spit in the SP's face.

They want a sunshine policy, well I have one for em. They can see the sunshine on my backside when I leave this place.

Bahadur
December 31, 2002, 02:50 AM
Glock Glocker:
How will Japan fit into this deal?Japan's interests and ours coincide nicely in this case. Japan has "awakened" to the North Korean threat because of two issues. First, the North Koreans were stupid enough to "test-fire" medium-range ballistic missile into Japanese airspace "in an effort to launch a satellite." Second, the Japanese public finally found out what happened to their abductees. So the public sentiment has turned sharply against North Korea.
If we do hit NK, do you think it'll only be a limited strike on their nuclear facilities, which will also serve as a warning, or do you think we'll put troops in and insist on a regime change?My guess would be neither. North Korea will continue to remain a bizzarro state, occassionally issuing forth threatening, menacing rhetoric but little else (okay, maybe an infiltration or two into ROK). The Middle East has Syria, East Asia has North Korea.
Although it might take 50 years with the horrific state of NK's economy, the unification of the two will seriously change the balance of power in the region.As I wrote before, most South Koreans do not want reunification. Too costly, too disruptive to their prosperity.

Lennyjoe:
They want a sunshine policy, well I have one for em. They can see the sunshine on my backside when I leave this place.Hang in there, the a*******s notwithstanding. As for the "Sunshine Policy," it is actually not very popular in ROK, which is, again, why the conservative (coincidentally pro-American) candidate was doing rather well during the presidential campaign until the ruling government took advantage of the tragedy to incite a cheap, cynical anti-Americanism.

As for the college student types that are always protesting against something, now that there is no military "fascist" government to protest against, the leftists college students in Korea find Americans an ideal target of their protests - much more so (much more "romantic") than lower school tuition and other more realistic goals.

clem
December 31, 2002, 11:26 PM
Ya, from his grave or from the after life maybe.

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