.460 Rowland beats 10mm in every way


January 3, 2003, 12:28 AM
hands down, no problem. Heavier, larger bullet, higher velocity, cheaper, etc.

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January 3, 2003, 12:33 AM
Does Glock chamber for it?

Can I find it at Wal-mart(heck, even my local gun store)?

Man, and I don't even have a 10mm to get jealous about.

January 3, 2003, 12:34 AM

Where are the 15 round magazines for it?

Name 5 gun manufacturers that chamber guns for it.

Compare the amount of loading data available for 10mm versus .460 rowland.

I've never seen a .460 cartridge for sale in real life.

Lol. They are both good cartridges. :)

Mike Irwin
January 3, 2003, 12:40 AM
And the point of that observation is?


January 3, 2003, 12:48 AM
:rolleyes: "Size really does matter"
Well I for one am all for "FAT" bullets. However the .460 Roland idea isn't new. Lets see we have seen the .451 Detonics Magnum, .45 Win Mag and even the .45 Super.
If you handload(and what truely serious shooter doesn't) the .460 Rowland may have an arguement but you are not likely to see it on your local Walmart shelfs in the near future.
I would venture to guess that the .460 Rowland will be no more popular a decade from now than it is today,and may even be less so. :rolleyes:

January 3, 2003, 08:06 AM
10mm has a better sectional density. Bullets from 135 grains up to 200 grains readily available. 10mm ammo is available on the shelves at my local gun shop.

January 3, 2003, 10:27 AM
I love it when people post things that say why something is ABSOLUTELY better than something else, can say it in under one full line, and use "etc." in their reasoning. Totally awesome. I also hate logical thought.

January 3, 2003, 10:40 AM
So does .460 Weatherby Magnum.

What's your point?

Don Gwinn
January 3, 2003, 11:26 AM

Tamara--I owe you a beer. Clearly you were right earlier and I was wrong.

January 3, 2003, 11:29 AM
.50 BMG beats the 460 Rowland in every way! Bigger bullet, far higher velocity, and it can fit into a pistol the size of a Maglite! Only wusses can't handle the recoil!

January 3, 2003, 12:05 PM
Troll alert...

Steve Smith
January 3, 2003, 12:12 PM
Some folks never learned that the point of internet forums is to share and learn, rather than preach from behind a podium.

Dude, we're not your congregation.

January 3, 2003, 02:19 PM
Hes right though...except for cheaper.....

January 3, 2003, 05:28 PM
from concealment in under .697 seconds is good, but is it better than a P239 in 357 SIG with the first shot being .118 seconds behind that?

How about the .460 vs the 440 CorBon? ;) Oops, not many pistols in .50 AE... wait, are we limiting the platform?

Double wait... better for what?

January 3, 2003, 10:25 PM
Almost like the kid who comes up to you and tells you he can belch the entire alphabet. :D

January 3, 2003, 11:23 PM
Yea, well my Dad can beat up your Dad.

Coke is superior to Pepsi(you can clean your battery terminals with it you know).

Chevy is superior to Ford

Dodge can't hold a candle to Ford.

I could go on all night.....

January 3, 2003, 11:46 PM
Hi John!!! :uhoh:

Mike Irwin
January 4, 2003, 02:39 AM

It would appear that THR has had it's first banning!

January 4, 2003, 08:48 AM
Banned? :confused: Misinformed maybe. Mark

January 4, 2003, 10:33 AM
".460 Rowland beats 10mm in every way."

:rolleyes: Maybe for dropping a Cape Buffalo. But then there are certainly better choices for that task than the .460 Rowland.

Nope. Given the many practical uses for which the 10mm's versatility makes it the first choice of thinking men and women everywhere, I'd say the 10mm is superior to the .460 Rowland. ;)


January 4, 2003, 11:39 AM
Mines bigger than yours... go figure..........:neener:


January 4, 2003, 11:48 AM
But it appears he's no longer banned as of today. :confused:

Sean Smith
January 4, 2003, 06:15 PM
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January 4, 2003, 10:13 PM
Good analogy

January 4, 2003, 10:42 PM
Well okeydoke, I've got a Dan Wesson 7460 that takes .460 Rowland, and I'm not even going to back you up on that assertion. I like the .460 Rowland, but saying that it's better than the 10mm just isn't so. It's got good ballistics, but availability of it is just a killer. Until more manufacturers actually start making guns to take it, and ammo for it, the .460 Rowland just isn't going to beat the 10mm.

January 5, 2003, 12:56 AM
Hey guys,

You should be a bit more respectful. You're replying to one of the "top pistoleros in the world".

Posted by okeydoke
I am still one of the top pistoleros in the world, and the hand to hand instruction I got (300+ hours of 1-4 guys in class, from a 5th dan TKD, 1st Dan Judo man, in Korea) is quite adequate, thank you very much. For instance, I can react, draw from a concealed belt rig, and hit 2 separate 10" disks, at 10 ft, 5 ft between them, any time you care to see it, from hands at shoulder height, in 1.2 seconds. That aint too shabby, considering it's done with a lw commander .45 and full charge loads, from under a shirttail.


Sean Smith
January 5, 2003, 10:49 AM
LOL! Yeah, right! :neener:

January 5, 2003, 11:23 AM
I dunno okeydoke, if those comments about your martial arts training are really your feelings or not, but many here have probably logged dojo or dojang time in the thousands of hours with well respected teachers and still have found shortcomings in real world combat. Training is good, keep at it.

January 6, 2003, 10:58 PM
This guys starting to sound a lot like somebody that they had a problem with over on Glock Talk and the 1911forum. On GT he went under the name Certainly. Lasted about a week before he was banned. IIRC there was talk at the time that he had been banned at TFL and 1911forum under different names. A couple of recurring threads that pop up with this guy are him going on about how rapidly he can draw/fire/hit a target, and how the best ammo to use in an extremely light bullet at ludicrously high velocities. Couple of folks out in his area looked into him a bit and it turns out he's actually a felon and can't even own a gun.

Not saying that this okeydoke is the same guy, but there's quite the similarity.

January 7, 2003, 11:25 AM
Hardin, GunKid, etc.

Same person, can't mistake the posting style. A tremendous amount of information, much emphasis on fractions of a second.

(edited... seeing his paradigm shift from .22LR headshots to 357SIG in a P239 was pretty interesting. Wrote a book on suppression too?)

January 7, 2003, 10:01 PM
That's the person krept. GunKid. Couldn't remember his other aliases.

Same posting style too. Massive number of posts for an afternoon or evening, then a gap of a few days, then shows back up and blathers away again.

January 8, 2003, 01:12 AM
Dont let some numbnuts turn you off the 460 Rowland...for up here in Alaska its the best overall auto pistol round for big critters in a relaible. carryable package...

Porter Rockwell
January 8, 2003, 02:58 AM
Does WWG stock ammo and recommend the 460 Rowland for Alaska brownies??????
If someone has used one of your superb custom 1911s on say Kodiak bears as have some of the Cooper 10mm club??
I didn't notice any pics at the WWG website, can you post some?
Thanks! And here I'd pictured all the Alaskan hunters carrying Freedom Arms 454 Casulls or at the very least one of the S&W 44 Magnums? I've corresponded with a couple outfitters up your way and one mentioned you folks kindly, he carrys an LAR though.
Thanks Huge!

January 8, 2003, 04:10 AM
Does WWG stock ammo and recommend the 460 Rowland for Alaska brownies??????

I dont think we reccomend any handgun for Brownies...the 460 Rowland is basically equivalent (approx) to the 45 Win Mag, but in a smaller platform. The nice thing about it over a 44 or 454 is that you get 8 shots (and I have a Para so I get 13!)...we have ammo..

.And here I'd pictured all the Alaskan hunters carrying Freedom Arms 454 Casulls or at the very least one of the S&W 44 Magnums?

O yes many do...I have a Mountain Gun myself in 44..

Will have a Rowland Pic up soon...

Sean Smith
January 8, 2003, 09:30 AM
I don't think anybody is bashing .460 Rowland on its own merits, but comparing it to 10mm is pretty silly. If I was in Alaska, .460 Rowland would probably be the wimpiest caliber I'd own. :D

January 8, 2003, 01:15 PM
If I was in Alaska, .460 Rowland would probably be the wimpiest caliber I'd own.

No it wouldnt be you would have a .22 :)

January 8, 2003, 03:06 PM
Old okeydoke would be dead facing a guy with the old fashioned fast draw holster like the old western boys had.......less than 1/4 of a second the experts can draw and fire............

March 24, 2008, 03:42 PM
Wow, lot's of talk about this round. I have some experience with it. First, while the round is still growing you can pick up a fine one from Wilson Combat. Wilson Combat Hunter http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_460.asp. Very nice gun and no comp. Next you can pick up a Kimber from Clark Custom for a great price and it includes a .45 ACP barrel for a fast conversion. Clark will also build you whatever you would like of course. I have a STI bar stock slide with a custom melt in comp and a Clark Match fit job on the barrel. It has a Fusion Forged Stainless lower and an Ed Brown Fire control with a Grieder trigger. It has a JPoint sight melted in. The receiver is accurized and has CT laser grips with a Sure Fire light on the tac rail. It is an extremely accurate gun. Load data indicates it will push a 200 grain bullet in excess of 1400 FPS. I feel that is hot but it works well. I however down load to 1300 FPS with Hornady XTP's. It will stop anything my .44 Super Blackhawk will. Ammo is readily available from Georgia arms or Clark Custom. I reload so I purchased 1000 brass cases from Starline. At 1300 FPS it can be reloaded many times. Recoil is a bit more mild than a non comp ACP shooting + p's. I wouldn’t be without it. It is my primary hunting pistol. Deadly to 50 yards.

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 24, 2008, 03:47 PM
bmorgil, you do realize you are replying to a 5 year old post, don't you?

March 24, 2008, 03:52 PM
Yes, Sir, it does beat the 10 mm. The fly in the ointment is what /continued/ use does to the 1911 slide and frame. IF the shooter inspects things, and runs frequent head space checks, not a problem. And, yes, you can spend ~ $250 and upgrade your plinker clunker to a total blaster.

You might even find the .460 easier to shoot than a 10. I do.


March 24, 2008, 04:43 PM
bmorgil, you do realize you are replying to a 5 year old post, don't you?
nope... :D

March 24, 2008, 06:11 PM
At the time, there was spotty data available on the .460 Rowland, and even the .45 Super, for that matter.

The .460 Rowland certainly dominated the 180 - 185 grain category. Impressive!

Based on the data, my needs, and practical stuff like availability, I decided to pursue 10 mm.

Here (below) were the stats I found...


ACE CUSTOM .45 Super:

185 Gr @ 1300 -1400 FPS

230 Gr @ 1100 - 1200 FPS


185 Gr Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 694 ft. lbs.

200 Gr Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 639 ft. lbs.

230 Gr Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 618 ft. lbs.

230 Gr Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 618 ft. lbs.


Bullet: 135 Gr Nosler JHP
Ballistics: 1600 fps, 767/ft lbs - Glock 20

Bullet: 155 Gr Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics: 1475 fps, 750/ft lbs - Glock 20

Bullet: 180 Gr Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics: 1300 fps, 676/ft lbs - Glock 20

Bullet: 200 Gr Hardcast Flat Nose
Ballistics: 1300 fps, 750 ft/lbs - Glock 20

Bullet: 200gr Wide Flat Nose Gas Check Beartooth
Ballistics: 1300 fps, 750 ft/lbs - Glock 20

Bullet: 230gr Wide Flat Nose Gas Check Hardcast
Ballistics: 1120 fps, 641 ft/lbs - Glock 20


185 Gr Nosler @ 1550 fps

185 Gr JHP @ 1400 fps



March 24, 2008, 10:01 PM
I looked at getting a .460 Rowland conversion kit for my 1911. What put me off was the need for a compensator with the 460. I would not want a compensator on a self defense weapon. For hunting it would be a good deal.
I do reload so ammo availability is not a problem.

March 24, 2008, 10:54 PM
Who cares?

Ted Nugent has killed more animals in one day with a 10mm than the .460 Rowland has killed in its entire existence.

Backstrap fever, da da da
Backstrap fever, da da da da


Just my .02,

March 24, 2008, 11:02 PM
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Stephen A. Camp
March 24, 2008, 11:12 PM
If someone wants to discuss (to THR standards) the cartridges mentioned in this thread, no problem but let's kill off this old thread, especially since the original poster is serving another stint in the federal pen for another felony and in no way represents the shooting community nor The High Road.

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