How Many Remington Revolver shooters have we got here?


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Mike Weber
January 4, 2003, 09:06 AM
I've got a pair of EMF 1875s In .45 Colt and a pair of Pietta New Model Armies Converted to .45 Colt. How many other Remington Revolver Shooters have we got here?

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thisaway
January 4, 2003, 02:09 PM
I have one of the Pietta M1858 Army cap-and-ball revolvers.

4v50 Gary
January 4, 2003, 06:53 PM
Got a kit that I haven't assembled. Does that count?

Mike Weber
January 5, 2003, 09:33 PM
Once you put it together and start shooting it I think that you're gonna like it Gary. Remember that a Colt capper doesn't work with a Remington. You need a straight line capper. I chose the Pietta's mainly because of the ease of buying spare cylinders for them. I shoot CAS so what I do is the night before the match I will load up ten cylinders without capping them. I bring them to the match in a tupperware container. after shooting a stage I swap out for a fresh cylinder for both revolvers. All I have to do at the loading table is cap them. One thing to keep in mind with the Remmy's is that they are sensitive to powder fouling. A few drops of Ballistol on the cylinder pin between stages keeps them from locking up.

yorec
January 6, 2003, 01:00 AM
I've got a Texas New Army replica .44 in the Remington style that I built out of a kit when I was 14. Love to shoot it. Manufacturer was Richland Arms. That close enough to count or ya lookin' for Remington Brand pistoleros?

I'll have to try that "Ballistol on the cylinder pin" trick as mine will lock up after three or four cylinders or so...

foghornl
January 6, 2003, 12:50 PM
I don't have one now, but I 'owned and operated' a CVA repro of the 1858 Army Remington in .44. Pretty good accuracy, and {as I vaguely recall } about 30 Gr of P Pyrodex sent the ball down range really well. I also had the tiny .31 "Pocket Remington" that I think was also a CVA brand. Never did shoot the .31 very well, but then I was not good with "mouse guns" of any vintage.

Both lotza fun to shoot, though.........

ed dixon
January 6, 2003, 09:10 PM
(Uberti) Remington Army '58. Looks good. Is good. Uh-huh.

Andrew Wyatt
January 7, 2003, 03:34 PM
I've got a new model army.

dev_null
January 7, 2003, 05:42 PM
I've got a pair of Uberti '58s with the Taylor's R&D conversion cylinders. Look good, shoot good.

Joined SCORRS yet?

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Mike Weber
January 7, 2003, 05:53 PM
Yep:
I'm a member of SCORRS. The Society of Remington Revolver Shooters

jjmorgan64
January 7, 2003, 08:48 PM
Like mine so much I had to get an Uberti Remington 1875 44-40 to go with it, Loaded with BP of course.

RON in PA
January 10, 2003, 01:22 PM
I have one, but am of the opinion that for a serious social weapon the Colt 1860 is better as it less prone to fouling. The sights on the Colts suck but the gun is a better pointer.

Mike Weber
January 10, 2003, 07:46 PM
I have one, but am of the opinion that for a serious social weapon the Colt 1860 is better as it less prone to fouling. The sights on the Colts suck but the gun is a better pointer.

Ron:
I have to respectfully dissagree with part of your statement there. The Remington New model Armies 1858s do have a different grip profile to them so they do point differently than the Colts. I get very good accuracy and quick havndling out of my Remmy's. The powder fouling problem doesn't occur until several cylinders have been fired through the guns. In a real life gunfight no one is going to have time to reload a C&B revolver enough times to cause it to lock up with fouling. I own and shoot Colt 1860's and 1851's too and I get very good reliability and accuracy from them. In shooting in SASS competition the main reason that I choose the Remingtons over the Colts is the speed and ease of reloads between stages with just swapping out cylinders versus reloading the revolver each time. IMO the Remington is a stronger superior design than the open top Colt.

bfoster
January 10, 2003, 09:38 PM
I shoot an original Remington M1863.

BTW, I've never seen a copy, Italian made or otherwise, of a M1858. The makers, or more probably the marketers have been confused by the patent dates. Here is a summary of the differences between the M1858, the M1861, and the New Army, AKA the M1862 or M1863.

My source for the following is Remington Handguns, Charles Lee Karr, Jr., and Caroll Robbins Karr, Stackpole, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, third edition, 1956.

First, the M 1858, made from 1860 to early 1862. aka Beals Model.

Notes:
1. The barrel threads are not readily visible, the frame covers them.
2. There are no safety notches between the nipples.
3. The web below the rammer is much smaller than in later models.
4. The rammer laver must be lowered to withdraw the base pin.
5. Marking- BEALS PATENT SEPT. 14, 1858 MANUFACTURED BY REMINGTON'S ILION, NEW YORK
6. The front sight is a German silver cone.
7. Production: ~3000 revolvers.


Next, The M 1861, made in early 1862.

Notes:
1. The barrel threads are readily visible, the frame does not completely cover them.
2. There are no safety notches between the nipples.
3. The web below the rammer has more material than a M1858.
4. The base pin can be withdrawn without lowering the lever rammer. This is covered by Wm. Elliot's patent of Dec. 17, 1861.
5. Marking- PATENTED DEC. 17, 1861, MANUFACTURED BY REMINGTON"S, ILION, N. Y.
6. The front sight is a German silver cone.
7. Production: ~5000 revolvers.

Last, The New Army, made from 1862-1875. aka M1862 or 1863.

Notes:
1. The barrel threads are readily visible, the frame does not completely cover them.
2. There are safety notches between the nipples.
3. The web below the rammer has more material than a M1858.
4. The base pin can be withdrawn only with the rammer lowered, but only just far enough to remove the cylinder.
5. Marking- PATENTED SEPT. 14, 1858. E. REMINGTON & SONS, ILION, NEW YORK, U.S.A. NEW MODEL
6. The front sight is a wrought iron blade.
7. Production: ~140,000 revolvers.


I hope this clears up the models Remington produced. As you can see, the M 1858's and M 1861's had a rather limited production. There is a signifigant degree of overlap in serial numbering. Revolvers showing some degree mixed parts are not rare. The pressure to get revolvers shipped to the Army must have been tremendous.


Bob

Mike Weber
January 13, 2003, 08:45 PM
Just bought another Pietta Remington New Model Army. Now I have three of them, and two 1875 Remington Clones. There's just something about Remingtons.

Dave Markowitz
January 26, 2003, 08:00 PM
I went to Dixon's in Kempton, PA today and traded my Uberti 2nd Model Dragoon for a Euroarms Remington New Model Army. Up till now I didn't have any kind of a Remington.

The Euroarms has nice blueing and attractive walnut stocks. The trigger pull is pretty good, although the action is a bit stiff. It should break in OK, though.

It was a lot cheaper than the Savage
"Figure 8" revolver he had in the same case. :D

Mike, I noticed you mentioned Ballistol. How do you like it as a general lube?

Mike Weber
January 27, 2003, 03:38 AM
frodo:
I think that the Ballistol is a great blackpowder general purpose lube. I didn't find out about it until I started shooting the Remingtons. My EMF 1875 Remingtons are also real finicky in regard to fouling a few drops of Ballistol to the cylinder pin about every thrid cylinder along with some well lubed bullets keeps them from locking up.

Dave Markowitz
January 27, 2003, 08:52 PM
Thanks, Mike.

(Darn, now I wished I picked up a bottle at Dixon's!)

chaim
February 2, 2003, 03:22 AM
I've got one of the really cheap clones with the brass frame. It is a fun gun and when I shoot it at the one local indoor range that allows blackpowder I really do get a lot of looks and smiles from fellow shooters. I did get one guy once who got pissed because of all the soot and smoke though.

The gun is a lot of fun and I hope to pick up one or two with the steel frame in the next year or so. I'd also like to pick up the cartridge conversion cylinder for them since I love shooting blackpowder but having to reload every chamber every time gets old after several cylinders. Maybe with blackpowder loaded cartridges I could get the best of both worlds.

Mike Weber
February 2, 2003, 04:11 AM
Chaim:
I really like the R&D conversion cylinders that I bought for my Remingtons. They were expensive though at $250.00 each, $100.00 more than the cost of each of my Pietta Remington revolvers. I chose the Piettas at the recommendation of one of my SASS friends who happens to be the president of SCORRS The Society Of Remington Revolver Shooters. I got my first two Pietta Remington New Model Armies for $139.95 each from Cabela's They have gone up a little bit since then. I have since gotten another Pietta used but in brand new condition and I plan on getting another one. I will then trim a pair of them down to 51/2 barrel length shortening up the loading levers and replacing the front sites. The Brass framed remington that you have is a copy of the Confederate made Remington copies. They are allright if you keep your loads mild. There was a shooter using a pair of these at the Great Northern SASS Match at Faragut Park Idaho this past year and he did pretty well with them. If you plan on shooting Your Remingtons a lot you definately want the steel framed models especially if you want to shoot heavy loads and I wouldn't suggest using the R&D conversion cylinders with the Brass framed Remingtons. If you think that BP revolvers make a lot of smoke you should try standing on a line where BP muskets are being fired or where a shooter is firing a model 1887 Winchester lever action shotgun with BP loads. As for as those folks who don't like all that smoke they haven't tried shooting BP yet or they would be hooked.

Ryder
February 2, 2003, 06:47 AM
I've got the EMF 1858 Remington. It's got a brass frame. Works great, no complaints. My dad got it's twin at the same time except with a steel frame. He got a lemon I think?

Mine shaves a nice ring off the ball everytime, a perfect seal, never had a ball work loose while shooting. I don't even bother with wads or patches, or grease. Dad wasn't so lucky. Funny stuff, looks like the 4'th of July when two or three chambers take off at once.

Hehe, my brother borrowed it off him one day. First shot it starts shooting sparks all over the place, hissin and smokin. He's screaming an yelling like a little girl, jumping up and down yelling "what do I do, what do I do?" while holding the gun as far away from him as possible. He about wet himself when I said "I dunno, mine doesn't do that." Hehehe, he just doesn't seem to care much for BP anymore after that.

Uncle Ethan
February 9, 2003, 08:48 PM
I have a new EMF 1875 Remington that the hammer won't stay cocked on one cylinder. Anybody else have a problem with them?

Mike Weber
February 9, 2003, 09:21 PM
Uncle Ethan:
If this was a revolver that someone had tried to slick up I would say that they had done a bit too much file work. Since it is a brand new revolver then I would suggest sending it back to the manufacture to have them correct the problem. Sounds like a factory defect. One thing about the 75s is that the half cock notch can be a little difficult to engage and it takes getting a feel for them before you can easily engage the half cock notch on the first try. I take it that the hammer is releasing on you when you bring the cylinder up to one particular chamber? Sounds like this particular revolver has some improperly fitted parts. Should be under warrenty I would have the manufacturer fix it.

Uncle Ethan
February 9, 2003, 09:48 PM
Good idea Mike, thks

InTheBlack
December 31, 2003, 05:59 PM
Tell me about the actual bore and cylinder diameters on the various repros of the Remington 1875 .44-40. In particular what can I expect on a Uberti?

I see that .427 and .429 bullets are available, but the .429 are cheaper for me since I can get them locally.

sandy4570
January 3, 2004, 03:35 AM
I have one Pietta Remington new army target model ,one Pietta new army with fix sight and one Urberti Remington Millenium .I can swap cylinder 5 times the pin got struck with powder fouling. Urberti shoot a bit low but Pietta hit dead on , I like Pietta better eventhough it is more rougher than Urberti ,it seem to be more accurate . I want to get short barrel Remington and hopefully Cabela will start carry them soon.

gunsmither
January 3, 2004, 07:58 PM
;) Hi Mike! Awfully cold out here today, probably as cold or colder than Spokane! Count me in on the Remington. Mine is just a cheapo Cabella's that I've reworked, but it is now very accurate; one of my favorite BP pistols. I'd put it up against most modern revolvers anyday accuracywise. Happy New Year! - "gunsmither" :)

Mike Weber
January 3, 2004, 11:25 PM
Sandy:
Try taking some Ballistol or a 50/50 mix of Simple Green and water in a small squirt bottle with you to the range After shooting about every other cylinder full pull the cylinder and squirt down the cylinder pin and give it a good wipe down with a rag. I do this and I never have the cylinders lock up from fouling Remingtons do have a problem in this area including the 1875 and 1890 cartridge guns. But keeping the cylinder pins clean keeps em working.

Howdy Joe:
Just got home from the gun show. I was shopping for another mule ear coachgun but didn't find one today. I did pick up a set of Buffalo Bros, Texas Star imitation Ivory grips for one of my 1875 Remmy's. Yep its cold here in Spokane. I checked a few minutes ago and we were down to 8 degrees. If you make it over this way or if I can get over to the west side we'll have to get together and do some shootin.

sandy4570
January 4, 2004, 04:27 PM
Mike weber thank for the advice , I will get the ballistol the next time I order reloading supply - seem like lot of folks highly recommend this lublicant. Currently I use baby wipe to quickly clean the cylinder pin and the bore after about 36-42 rounds just to get the powder fouling off the bore.

TerryBob
January 8, 2004, 04:18 PM
I have a EuroArms New Model Army in stainless that I bought 26 years ago. I cant begin to tell you how many rounds or cans of 3f that has gone through it. The bolt has worn some but I have a new one to replace it with. I carry it as a back up weapon during black powder season.

I also have a CVA 1862 navy in brass but have not fired it yet. A neighbor bought it back in the 70s in kit form. He gave up on building it, gave it to his unlce who gave up on it and gave it back to him. It sat in his basement for 20+ years before he gave it to me. It's now together and is looking mighty nice. I cant wait to fire it. :)

Take care all,

TerryBob

Hellgate
January 11, 2004, 08:26 PM
SCORRS member, 2 Uberti 1863 NM Armies, SS Pietta NM Army, SS Euroarms NM Army, Euroarms NM Navy .36

Mike Weber
January 12, 2004, 12:04 AM
Howdy Hellgate:
I'm a SCORRS member as well. I got to meet and shoot with Papa Bear at the Great Northern a couple of Years ago, my SASS alias is Fightin Creek Slim.

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