Which U.S. WWII rifle?


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BamBam-31
January 5, 2003, 05:14 AM
My friend has watched Band of Brothers for the umpteenth time, and now he wants an American WWII longarm in the worst way. Question is, which one should he buy first, or which one if he's only to have one?

Although this amounts to not much more than chocolate vs. vanilla vs. strawberry, I think clearly the answer is the M1 Garand. (Insert Patton quote here.) He's kinda leaning towards the M1 Carbine (I think mainly because they're a little cheaper), but I'm trying to convince him to get the Garand.

If it were me, it'd be the M1 Garand, then the 1903 (any variant), followed by the M1 Carbine.

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buttrap
January 5, 2003, 05:34 AM
Well thats kind of like what tires to get for your 4x4 truck. Should be more like I want a gun to use for ahh (#$*^) which would be probably best for that....Kind of like crausants go good with coffee in the morn but really dont go with beer and pizza after dinner..

Sleeping Dog
January 5, 2003, 05:55 AM
Carbine is cheaper than Garand? Not if it's a genuine WW2 US-made carbine, or not much cheaper anyway.

Civilian Marksmanship Program (http://www.odcmp.com) sells the M1 Garand for a reasonable price. You just need to jump through a few painless hoops and WALLA! the FedEx guy drops one at your door.

Besides, if he gets a Carbine, that won't scratch the itch for a Garand.

Regards.

Kevlarman
January 5, 2003, 06:44 AM
Garand!

There's nothing like BLAM BLAM BLAM PING! :D

Tamara
January 5, 2003, 07:53 AM
Garand, baby.

I held mine all the way through all ten episodes of Band of Brothers. It was reassuring in the tense parts... :eek: ;)

Blackcloud6
January 5, 2003, 10:37 AM
Of the choices you pose, have him get a M-1 Garand from CMP.

But, if you want a really cool WWII US weapon, get one of these

http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/slr.htm

Expensive, but way cool!

Drue
January 5, 2003, 11:12 AM
There is nothing wrong with the M1 Carbine or the 1903 but the definitive US WWII rifle is the M1 rifle. If he plans to shoot his rifle, the M1 Carbine is fun to plink around with. They are lightweight and don't have much recoil.


Drue

cratz2
January 5, 2003, 11:42 AM
Those 1903s are nice, but if you can only have one, better make it a Garand. Every time I see someone shoot one for the first time, there is ALWAYS a big smile on his or her face. Without exception. EVER!

Fatelvis
January 5, 2003, 12:39 PM
Go with the Garand. A great way to spend $500.

4v50 Gary
January 5, 2003, 12:45 PM
Support your government. Buy a Garand from ODCMP. http://www.odcmp.com

Kentucky Rifle
January 5, 2003, 12:47 PM
It's a difficult decision, and I do love the Garand that I toted around all through Military School. However, I voted for that neat little M1 Carbine.
That has GOT to be my next rifle. (After the AK.:rolleyes: )

KR
P.S. How many of you have had the "pleasure" of an "M1 Thumb"? Did you do it more than once?:p HAHAHAHA..OUCH!
Just thinking about it made my thumb hurt!

El Rojo
January 5, 2003, 02:17 PM
All three! Then start on the Thompson. If I weren't in the PRK I would save up for a Thompson. Long live Band of Brothers for inspiring us all to buy good guns.

Bostonterrier97
January 5, 2003, 02:21 PM
What about a Semi-Auto BAR or a Tommygun?

Gewehr98
January 5, 2003, 09:16 PM
Garands have it in sheer preponderance:

http://mauser98.com/m1garandbench.jpg

But having watched Saving Private Ryan several times, a certain 1903A4 kept calling my name:

http://mauser98.com/03a4rightsmall.jpg

FPrice
January 5, 2003, 09:28 PM
"There's nothing like BLAM BLAM BLAM PING!"

You have a funny rifle. Mine goes BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM PING!

BamBam-31
January 6, 2003, 04:14 AM
Thanks for the replies, folks.

Alas, like our friend El Rojo, we are **********ns. :cuss:

Otherwise, the Tommygun would be uber-kewl! :D

I'd still take the Garand first, though.

Currahee!!

Kahr carrier
January 6, 2003, 06:32 AM
Garand.:evil:

foghornl
January 6, 2003, 10:21 AM
US Rifle Cal .30 M1

Popularly known as "The Garand". THE definitive US Military Rifle of WWII.

The M1 Carbine is a decent weapon for short range light recoil quick handling applications..i.e truck gun

The 1903-A3 and variants are an excellent choice in bolt-actions.

But I will still prefer the M1 [Garand] over the others. 8 rounds, .30-06, fast to reload with the en-bloc clips, more accuracy than I can use [Ask the Camp Perry shooters...guys hitting dinner plate-size targets at 900+ yards] and Reliable.
As long as you feed the M1 decent ammo, it WILL go Bang! every time you mash the trigger.

JeFF D
January 6, 2003, 10:37 AM
M1 Garand!!

Joe Demko
January 6, 2003, 10:40 AM
None of the above. If I ever buy a WWII rifle, I'll spring for a Johnson auto rifle.

El Rojo
January 6, 2003, 11:22 AM
Good point Gologo-13. I changed my mind. Get a Browning M2 .50! Full Auto of course. Sometimes I want to get a FFL just so I can have all of the stuff the bastards won't let us have.

standingbear
January 6, 2003, 02:41 PM
get the garand. the danish ammo already on the clips are really cheap now.you can also keep the 06 ammo in the 8 shot en bloc clips pretty much indefinatly.carbines are fun too but much shorter range.get one that is mechanically excellent and refinish the stock.

Andrew Wyatt
January 6, 2003, 02:57 PM
if you get the -03, you can shoot in the obsolite military bolt action rifle match. ;)

ReadyontheRight
January 6, 2003, 03:29 PM
Garand. From CMP.

As far as which gun during WW2 -- depending on your role and the situation, the Thompson Gun also seems a good WW2 option. It's funny how many of those you see in the modern WW2 movies. Maybe the actors pick them up because they can.

BamBam-31
January 6, 2003, 03:34 PM
Where are my manners?

Gewehr98, those are two beautiful rifles, my friend. And the infamous red stand, to boot! :D

BTW, does the Danish ammo pass the magnet test? I call the local rangemaster Sergeant Magneto. Good guy, and he's pretty good about enforcing safety rules, but he has an uncanny ability to sniff out the contraband. I can't even shoot my Lake City stuff there.

standingbear
January 6, 2003, 04:00 PM
dont know what the magnet test is.the danish stuff is cheap and works very good in my restored 1944 springfield m1 garand.i saw the ad for it in shotgun news.

jem375
January 6, 2003, 04:30 PM
Just got my big wooden box of Danish ammo today, with the clips and boxes of ammo, and also 12 bandoliers.......damn, will have to load the clips myself, thought they were already loaded.....comes in 30 round boxes, 528 rounds, enough to fill 66 clips.................the numbers don't come out right, that means I have 17.6 boxes.........oh, well, ...............

BamBam-31
January 6, 2003, 07:48 PM
Sorry, should have been clearer. The rangemaster goes around with a little magnet and tests your bullets to see if there's any steel in them (jacket, core, etc.). Steel bullets are not allowed by the local fire department because they may start a brush fire.

That means all my Lake City '06 and my Turkish 8mm are no good there. :fire:

If the Danish stuff has no steel, then I think I'll buy a case or three.

CGofMP
January 6, 2003, 07:59 PM
Have your friend look over http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand and you will be able to guess which way I voted :-)

I did part of the CMPs website (my part is at http://www.civilianmarksmanship.com) so I think you'll be able to guess where I think you sould buy it too! :-)

Take care,
Charles

http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/navimages/soldier.jpg

Dave Markowitz
January 6, 2003, 08:15 PM
P.S. How many of you have had the "pleasure" of an "M1 Thumb"? Did you do it more than once? HAHAHAHA..OUCH!
Just thinking about it made my thumb hurt!

I gave myself M-1 finger once -- I'm left handed. That SMARTS! :eek:

Uncle Ethan
January 6, 2003, 08:25 PM
but I want a BAR.:cool:

DMK
January 6, 2003, 08:43 PM
but I want a BAR Yea, BAR! Can I change my vote?

Man I wish I had the $3K to get one in Semi from Ohio Ordanance.

http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/slr.htm

http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/slr/slr_s.jpg

Uncle Ethan
January 6, 2003, 09:48 PM
It's the $3k that stops me too!! If I could bear to part with my Johnson and a few other's I could afford it, but then I'd need to go out and buy another Johnson, etc.:banghead:

BamBam-31
January 28, 2003, 01:48 AM
He just bought the Garand!! Hooray!!

Thanks for your votes, fellas. I kinda nudged him towards this thread, and I have no doubt your input played a large role in his decision-making process. ;)

Currahee!! Now we can go litter the range with our en-bloc clips!!:D

CGofMP
January 28, 2003, 01:55 AM
So BamBam

Where did he end up buying the rifle from?

Charles

http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/ourm1s/muzzles.jpg

http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/

3 gun
January 28, 2003, 09:34 AM
Garand in a landslide! Ping:D

Kentucky Rifle
January 28, 2003, 12:08 PM
Your left index finger maybe? Lots and lots of blood? I couldn't even hardly LOOK at my "split in four places" thumb. When I finally did, the sight of my useless appendage made my knees go weak.

KR

foghornl
January 28, 2003, 01:06 PM
Well, since you asked, but I really don't wanna tell....
Only slammed the bolt home on my thumb ONCE...and that was quite sufficient to keep me reminded NOT to do that again....:cuss:

4v50 Gary
January 28, 2003, 01:07 PM
If I was a fighting man, the Garand of course. Now, if I was a "canteen commando" (think I read that in Mauldin), I'd go for a carbine. I can carry more "loot" that way. ;)

sixgun_symphony
January 28, 2003, 02:31 PM
Don't forget the US M1917 Enfield rifle.

BigG
January 28, 2003, 02:53 PM
I guess I'm a little jaundiced about the M1 rifle. As big a fan as I am of George Patton and my Pop who toted one of em thru France and Germany in the late unpleasantness, I've never been able to warm up to the bugger. I had an M1A (308 M14 clone) but even that was a clunky rifle from my way of thinking. Just to give you a comparison, I have a Dragunov which I would not trade for a half dozen M1As or a full dozen M1s if I could not replace it.

Now the carbine? That would be my choice.

The Springfield 1903? As a WWII rifle, except as a stopgap?? You've got to be kidding! :cool:

YMMV

(I can't believe you put the 1903 Springfield in there)

BamBam-31
January 28, 2003, 03:35 PM
He bought the Garand from a store in Duarte, CA. They had several, including a couple of sniper versions. I like to call this particular store "The Gun Shop that Time Forgot" because the guys there are really cool. Unlike most gun shops in CA, they're not trying to screw their fellow gunowner for as much $$ as they possibly can.

It's a pretty nice Springfield. Bore was good, furniture was good, parkerizing was good. I asked him to check it for throat erosion, and that was pretty good as well. Definitely not service grade. I think he paid around $670 for it.

Darn that 10 day wait!! :cuss:

Uncle Ethan
January 28, 2003, 07:38 PM
Mauldin also wrote about "Garritroopers"- always looking for a fight to prove themselves because they hadn't been in combat.

Blackcloud6
January 29, 2003, 12:34 PM
The Garand by far. its the most fun to shoot of the trhee in the poll. Nothing beats the sweet sound of: blam! blam! blam! blam! blam! blam! blam! blam! piiiing!

PATH
January 29, 2003, 07:19 PM
The Garand is indeed sweet but I have a thing for carbines. Light and fun to shoot. Not really a battle rifle but a larger than life pistol. Well almost. I love the carbines!

Matt G
January 29, 2003, 07:32 PM
As much as I love my '03 and enjoy my M1 Carbine, I agree that the single definitive American rifle of WWII was the Garand.

According to one of our Members (I believe his name is White), our Army sniper program was using M1D's all the way into the early '90's! :what:

12.7x99mm
January 29, 2003, 11:50 PM
I know everyone wants a Garand. But Man I really like those Thompsons. I will have one someday. Saw a few at the show last weekend. Nice stuff. Also the BAR is really cool

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