What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?


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DAL
January 5, 2003, 03:15 PM
Stealing an idea from another thread, I'd like to know who would buy one of these ergonomic nightmares? They certainly couldn't be gun people. My brother actually bought a .40 Hi-Point--what a piece of poop. It's accurate enough, but it is extremely uncomfortable to fire.
My brother is definitely NOT a gun guy.
DAL

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Gomez
January 5, 2003, 03:30 PM
Very scared, poor, college students (mostly female with their boyfriends in tow) at the first gun show after the "Baton Rouge Serial Killer" story hit the papers.

4v50 Gary
January 5, 2003, 03:35 PM
If that's all a man/woman can afford, so be it and be grateful that Hi-Points are around for them. I'd rather have a lawfully armed citizen defend him/herself than read about some murder, rape or other crime.

I suspect that the majority of folks buying those guns aren't gun aficionados. They buy them because they (A) want a gun; (B) don't have much to spend and (C) don't really care about brand or bragging rights. Even a THR'er were to buy one, then it could be from the perspective of "curio" for their collection. I would think that if Liberators of WW II were available at $100, we'd all buy one ourselves. Now, wouldn't it be nice if Hi-Point could be convinced to make those too (say, $50 a piece to us)? Then there could also be an entire line of commeratives like the D-Day models, Marquis models, faux Ivory grip "Patton" models (O.K., no stones please) & of course, the (real) pearl grip nickel plated ($75) New Orleans Pimp model.

BLiTzNicK
January 5, 2003, 04:39 PM
My mom had one given to her, and it has performed flawless. The one thing that I can't stand about it is the cheap metal used throughout the entire gun. There is no way that I or she would carry it with one in the pipe, since the only thing keeping it from firing is a sear of questionable metalurgy (sp?). She actually does keep it in her truck, and I probably would to if someone gave me one, especially since it has never had a failure in more than 500 rounds.

10-Ring
January 5, 2003, 05:30 PM
My cousin bought one years ago for $39. He keeps it in the tool box in his truck. He has used it more as a hammer than a pistol :what: Calling it POS would be an insult to all POS!

SAWBONES
January 5, 2003, 06:14 PM
C'Mon, they're not the choice of gun aficianados or folks with $$$, but sometimes ANY gun is better than NO gun.

Just to play devil's advocate here, it bears mentioning that they might fill a niche for folks who can't afford a GOOD gun, but who still NEED a gun for self defense and home protection.

RussB
January 5, 2003, 10:01 PM
Well, a whole lotta people buy 'em. In the year 2000, they sold just under 50,000 of 'em :eek:

TreeSquid
January 5, 2003, 10:10 PM
I know several people without much money who are considering getting hi-points. They know that there are much better guns out there. They know that it's big and ugly and heavy. They also know that they can only spare $50-$75 for a gun, and that hi-points are reliable and reasonably accurate, and far more respectable than anything else in that price range. I, personally, am very glad that hi-point is around to allow these people to have a weapon that is sure to go bang every time and probably hit what they are aiming at, and only forcing them to spend a few bucks on it. It's a hell of a lot more than one can say for a lorcin, raven, davis, or jennings pistol, those even have pot metal BARRELS, so they're destroyed by the time the person has used them enough at the range to be accurate, or even SAFE with their gun. I might buy one so I can bring friends to the range and not have to share a gun.

Al Thompson
January 5, 2003, 11:45 PM
I help with RO and coaching duties at a free CWP course here. We see a sizeable portion of Hi Points in class. They work fine with ball ammo.

Just because someone dosen't have something short of a grand to spend on gear, gun and ammo doesn't mean they give up the right to self defense.

I especially remember a single mother who had a Hi Point. She is a lady who availed herself of a suitable means of defense at a budget price.

Per Mark Morowitz, first rule of a gunfight is to have a gun. Folks with Hi Points have the first rule down pat.

hansolo
January 6, 2003, 12:01 AM
The afforadable Hi-Point line is the AMC Gremlin of the gun world:
It doesn't pretend to be a Corvette, but it works!:neener:

hansolo
January 6, 2003, 12:08 AM
The High-Point is not only afforadable, it's affordable, too!:cuss:

Freightman
January 6, 2003, 12:51 AM
Brother in law has a 9MM he has had for five years and it has never failed, I have a 9MM carbine it always works and is accurate and I might add that they will warrentee it even if you are the third or more owner, not many of the "high price brands " will do that.
No I don't carry one, but not a bad deal for under $100 if that is all you can afford.

bpisler
January 6, 2003, 06:59 AM
Me and a friend took out a used 380 hi point and put 200rds of his hot reloads thru it with no problems.According to the hi point web site they're rated for +P+ ammo,all in all they seem to work well for the money.

Lennyjoe
January 6, 2003, 07:06 AM
What? TropicalZ hasnt showed yet? Amazing.;)

HSMITH
January 6, 2003, 09:07 AM
ANY gun is better than no gun.

Mr Jody Hudson
January 6, 2003, 09:22 AM
I have heard ONLY good things about the High Point but do not have one.

I think I may get one just to have a gun for those who have no gun... :what:

Do they have .45 or only 9mm?

BLiTzNicK
January 6, 2003, 02:33 PM
They make a .380, 9mm, .40, and .45. I believe that they are all blowback though, so a Hi-Point .45 should be a lot of fun to shoot.

Big Al
January 6, 2003, 02:54 PM
...This Kind!

Seriously, I can't say anything about their pistols, good or bad - but I was given a Hi-Point 995 carbine that will shoot 1 hole at 50 yards with a scope, and will break clay pigeons at 100 yards all day long with a cheap BSA red dot scope. Probably 600+ rounds through mine and has never malfunctioned.

denfoote
January 6, 2003, 04:45 PM
To carry this philosophical plot over from the "old country" and to aquaint some of the new members that were "born" here, I will briefly recap.

The Hi-Point is the only gun I have ever abandoned!! Mine lies buried somewhere about 4-6 feet under the vast Sonoran desert!!! It never worked from the time I got it home till the time I "disposed" of it Since it was bought on sale, no returns or exchanges were possible. That left burial as the only option!!! I could not in good conscience sell it to some other poor sap. :rolleyes:

I dearly wish Oleg would ok the :barf: option!!!!!

Navy joe
January 6, 2003, 08:52 PM
Soon as I have a few extra bucks I'm buying a Hi-point .45, and two cases of ammo. I'm going to shoot it all in the space of two days and then write a gun-rag type write-up on it. Maybe SWAT will print it. I expect to find it reliable, un-ergonomic, and affordable. Better than no gun I'm sure.

Croyance
January 6, 2003, 10:51 PM
People without money are the ones living in neighborhoods where they are most likely to need a gun. A lot of honest people live in bad neighborhoods.
Have you seen the kitchen knives most people have? Garbage, with those stupid mini-serations, like the Ginsu knives. If you have one in your kitchen, then you have no room to complain about the Hi Point.

gremlin
January 7, 2003, 05:03 PM
What sort of guy buys a Hi-Point? A guy who can finally afford more than a baseball bat but can't yet afford a Bersa, CZ, Star, Astra, S&W police trade in, Ruger, etc...

Marshall
January 7, 2003, 07:11 PM
I am gratified by reading the responses to this! It helps maintain my faith of the generous minded, non-looking down their nose people on The High Road Forum!

I read way too many of the "other kind" posted thru the various forums here. Everyone was a newbie at one time and, not everyone has the money to afford what they may really want.

I strongly imagine everyone want's people to further the right to bare arms! So, having someone come to this forum feeling proud to own a firearm and reading about what kind of person they are for buying a firearm that may be less than desirable can be either a good thing or, a very bad thing, depending on what we make of it.


Marshall

New_comer
January 7, 2003, 07:58 PM
Just don't post pics, mmm-kay? :evil:

PATH
January 7, 2003, 09:19 PM
A person who needs to defend themself while on a budget. A so-so gun being better than being a victim!

emann
January 7, 2003, 11:02 PM
I own a few higher dollar gun's and have no problem affording more, but guess what, I own a .380 Hi-Point. I really like it. It's big and ugly but very reliable and fun to shoot, plus it saves me some wear and tear on my more expensive gun's by shooting it sometimes. :p

Tropical Z
January 8, 2003, 03:46 PM
I bought mine purely out of curiosity and have loved it from round one.If i take no other handgun to the places i shoot,the comp 9 is there.They are much more ergonomic than people think,and have as nice of sites as any handgun sold.Who else gives you a free ghost ring site just in case you want to use it someday? Hi-Points are reliable and affordable and MKS has customer service that is second to none!I had to use them on my first dis-assembly when i didn't dry fire first--- thousand yard stare on my hands and knees here i come!I also own other "quality"handguns such as a Glock 21,CZ-75b,RAP-440,TZ99,S&W 422 among others so i know what works and what doesn't.My comp 9 takes a back seat to no gun!;)

Tropical Z
January 8, 2003, 03:48 PM
A diamond in the rough!

DAL
January 9, 2003, 01:04 AM
What a bunch of open-minded people we have on THR!

I still don't care for the ergonomics of the Hi-Point line, but if affordability is the issue, I can see buying one. As others have said, any [working] gun is better than no gun.
DAL

gryphon
January 9, 2003, 05:50 PM
I have 2 hi points, the pistol and the carbine. Both have been the most reliable firearms I have in my collection, and I have quite a few(including some hi end name brands). The hi point has been 100% reliable bar none.

firestar
January 9, 2003, 06:06 PM
"What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?"

A poor blind one with no sense of touch!:neener:

I'm just kidding, wait, no I'm not!

I saw a Hi-Point .45 at the last gunshow and my friend and I just laughed.

duncan
January 9, 2003, 06:25 PM
As I've said for years.

Hi Points are crude but effective "po-boys'" guns.

Folks are just so gun ho to get a gun that instead of saving, they run out and grab the first $200 thing they see.

If you KNOW guns, machining, and engineering, you clearly get $200 worth of machined metal but that's it. Kel Tec is as low as I go and that's becuase no one makes a better pocket .32 ACP.

What tends to happen is many of us start out with less expensive guns like Rugers and Marlin non-big bore rifles and then as our funds improve, move on to Glocks, Sigs, HKs, Colts, etc.

People buy a lot of things that aren't up to snuff. Cheap pisswater beer, generic cigarettes, deathtrap cars, and so on.

It's an American right to buy a Hi Point.

Just stay the heck away from me in the members bay. Funny, only folks that don't want to pay the $200 to join the range shoot the Hi Points. Guess they'd rather have two Hi Points;)

TreeSquid
January 9, 2003, 07:07 PM
Actually, highpoints are usually more in the $100 range than $200. It seems that maybe you'd rather have people be gunless than have a reliable gun that's ugly? How about just being happy that there are more people who think they need a gun instead of just being head-in-the-sand "the world is a beautiful place and nobody ever tries to hurt anyone else" sheep. A hi-point is not a jennings, it's not a lorcin, it's not a davis, it's actually a gun that can be relied upon to fire when you need it to. Concealing them must be loads of fun, though :P

Even with a polymer frame, that giant zinc slide must weigh a ton, and they're huge for their calibers.

chaim
January 9, 2003, 10:14 PM
The afforadable Hi-Point line is the AMC Gremlin of the gun world:
It doesn't pretend to be a Corvette, but it works! Um, I can see you never owned an AMC Gremlin, otherwise I'm not so sure you'd say they work.:D

Seriously, never thought I'd see a reference to them here. Growing up in the '70s my dad had two. The first one (a '74) we got rid of after a few months because it never worked. The second one we got (a '77) a few years later kinda worked and we kept it until just before my 16th birthday.

444
January 9, 2003, 11:06 PM
I have a fairly decent collection of firearms. I never counted them, but easily upwards of 50 including one submachine gun and two suppressed guns. I reload for perhaps 15 calibers and own four loading presses. I would guess that I have an upper middle class income and can pay all my bills in less than one paycheck. I am driving a 2003 Ford 3/4 ton Super Duty with the Power Stroke Diesel Engine. I have personally owned guns since I was eight or nine years old. I have competed in IDPA, IPSC, small bore silhouette, bullseye, trap, and sporting clays. I own a Hi-Point. Any more stereotypes you want to promulgate ?

blue86buick
May 7, 2003, 12:29 PM
I'd like to throw in my thoughts. I just got my permit to acquire, and my interest in guns has been rekindled. This is partly due to some friendly folks at the range last weekend...they let me shoot the following of their guns:

a pair of 1911's in .45acp
an AK-47 (definitly a gun i'll be getting)
a walther P22 (the first gun i was planning to get)
a single shot 38spec/357mag target pistol

Mostly due to the cheap cost of ammo...secondly my desire for a Walther, i was planning to start with a 3.4" P22. However, as I was talking to a local gun store owner about cheap guns, he mentioned the name Hi-Point. Having read though the last 20 pages of posts on TFL, and then some here, it seemed a Hi-Point compact 9mm would be a better choice to start with than a P22.

Why? First, this is just for plinking. That said, I don't know if I would be happy with "just a .22" until I could afford a centerfire gun. This will allow me to have multiple handguns sooner than I had planned, plus eventually it'll be my loaner gun for when I take a friend to the range. Secondly, even though .22lr is the cheapest way to shoot, 100 rounds of 9mm for under 10 bucks at Wally is cheap enough to compare.

Lastly, as everyone says...they just work. P22's, and even P99's need to be "broken in" with better/HV ammo to work reliably IIRC. If this works from the start, I'm less likely to get soured on the concept of owning a handgun.

Any reasons not to own one? (Besides it's fugly! :p )

hksw
May 7, 2003, 01:41 PM
Huh, can't believe I missed this thread early on when it was originally posted.

Welcome aboard.

I'm with 444. I have an OK collection but am willing to try new and/or different stuff. The fact that the Hi-Points are very polar in opinions, it was just more fuel for me to try one out to see for myself. My 9 Comp has worked very well. One misfeed in ~1000 rounds now. I think you'll be generally happy with it for the simple reason that it works.

themic
May 7, 2003, 03:04 PM
how bout someone who could afford more, but is in desparate search of great value...

how bout someone who keeps reading these forums, and is thinking that for a $100 bucks he can really find out what all the fuss is over...

WonderNine
May 7, 2003, 03:50 PM
It's not the fact that there's much better guns out there. Nooo, that's not the arguement I make at all and that's where alot of people get all defensive about these "value priced lead firing bricks made for simple folks who don't have alot of ca$h."

It's that there's ALOT better guns out there FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF CA$H!!!!!

Makarov's

used Ruger Blackhawks

used CZ's (52's, 70's, ect.)

used S&W Model 10

used Charter Arms revolvers

Davis autos (Ok, maybe that's streching it quite a bit :D :D :D)

And hundreds more models that are infinately better choices in the same price range.

As I've said before in previous Hi-Point threads; "When you don't know, you just don't know."

444
May 7, 2003, 04:01 PM
As I have said in the almost infinite number of High Point threads, so what ? What if there are other guns for the same amount of money. There is nothing that says I can only one one of them. It isn't a quesion of this or that, I can have both.
I own three Makarovs; A Russian commerical, a Bulgarian, and an East German.
I own the following Ruger Blackhawks; Single Six, Single Six Bisley, .30 Carbine, .357/9mm Convertible, .45ACP/.45 Colt convertible, and a Super Blackhawk.
I own three S&W Model 10s; a police turn in 4" heavy barrel with a dull finish, a 4" heavy barrel with a blue finish, and a 4" skinny barrel.
I own two CZ52s: one with all the bells and whistles offered by Makarov.com and the other is stock. I also have a 9mm Luger barrel for them.

AND

I own a High Point Carbine and am trying to order a High Point .45 ACP handgun.

Your argument doesn't hold water.

denfoote
May 7, 2003, 06:15 PM
What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?"

Me, for one!!!!! :what:

Fortunately, I came to me senses and buried the sucker!! :neener: :evil:

benEzra
May 7, 2003, 08:13 PM
My wife's first "house gun" was a Phoenix Arms Raven in .25 ACP. Most gun aficionados would laugh at that gun, yet (1) my wife could shoot it well, (2) it was completely reliable (never jammed), and (3) IT WAS ABSOLUTELY ALL WE COULD AFFORD. As soon as we could afford to, we upgraded my wife to a slightly more powerful "house gun" she could still shoot very well ($99 Russian SKS!!) A couple of years later, she got a Glock 26 and a CCW permit, and is now in the market for a 1911-platform .45.

My point is, the Raven wasn't the ideal gun, but it was far better than no gun at all. And from what I hear, most Hi-Points are considerably better than the Ravens, and in much more effective calibers.

Soap
May 7, 2003, 08:30 PM
It definitely fits a niche market. If a person wants a handgun that they can use to defend themselves on a very extreme budget, the Hi-Point is good. I would rather go with other stuff myself, but provided that Hi-Point owners don't carry with a round in the chamber, I have no problem with it. Just don't make them to be anything that they are not since they are not up there with a higher quality defensive pistol. They work, they're cheap, accurate enough, and that is about it.

blue86buick
May 7, 2003, 08:56 PM
Not being that familiar with the guns, I can only comment on a few of your suggestions...

It's that there's ALOT better guns out there FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF CA$H!!!!!
Yes, this is true. However, it's best to buy what fits your need(s). My need is for a plinker, something that works well enough that I won't be frustrated trying to put a bullet downrange into the old TV, broken computer, pop can, milk jug, target, etc...and have some fun doing so. My second need is for it to be relatively inexpensive to shoot. Therefore, 9mm Luger or .22LR.

Makarov's
I've heard this is 9x18 or 9x20. How easy is it going to be to find ammo for this, and how cheap can i get it? Does wal-mart sell it? What about something like Gander Mountain or Sheels All Sports? Do I have to mail order it?

used Ruger Blackhawks
used CZ's (52's, 70's, ect.)
used S&W Model 10
Davis autos (Ok, maybe that's streching it quite a bit )

Don't know anything about these. NC.

used Charter Arms revolvers
Preference...i like autos.

And hundreds more models that are infinately better choices in the same price range.
Ain't it great to have such a great selection available? :) Still, I'll stick with what I've learned about for now, and get to those later.

cratz2
May 7, 2003, 09:51 PM
The Makarov is a 9x18 - 380ACP being 9x17 and the most famous 9mm (Luger or Parabellum) being 9x19 so it's somewhere inbetween there, probably a bit closer to the 380 but there is good ammo (Barnaul and LVE) that reliably expands that is very inexpensive. Ammo is quite inexpansive to the tune of 50 rounds of carry-worthy HPs being about $6/50 rounds or just a bit more than 9mm FMJ ammo from Winchester or S&B.

This reliable but guly as sin Hi-Points aside, I think the Bulgarian Maks are the best values in quasi-new guns on the market. Mine (Russian) cost $110 with two mags, a holster, a cleaning rod, two pair of grips and a box of ammo.

http://photos.imageevent.com/cratz2/guns//DCP_2082a.jpg

Tropical Z
May 8, 2003, 01:36 AM
1.Makarov-nice gun (i have two)but ammo isnt always in stock at GUN STORES let alone Wal-Mart.Hi-Point ammo is everywhere.
2.Used Ruger Blackhawk-nice gun,but the only one youll find for $100 wont have a cylinder!
3.Used CZ52 (nice gun-ammo by mail order)not practical.
Used CZ70-PLEASE!!!!! PASS!!!!!!
4.S&W Model 10-ill pass,but some people like them.Not as fun as a semi IMHO.Definitely not all that.
5.Used Charter Arms revolvers-yah right:barf: PASS!
6.Davis autos:barf: :barf: :barf:
The above guns DONT fit into the same category as Hi-Points for various reasons and the argument that they are better for some reason doesnt hold water!!!

firestar
May 8, 2003, 05:45 AM
Nobody is saying that you can't own or buy a Hi-Point, some people just don't like them for various reasons and they express it.

All I have to say about Hi-Points is, I don't like them and I wouldn't waste my money on them. There is no question that there are better made guns out there for the same or less money than a Hi-Points costs new. I just would rather spend my money on a good used gun that is a little beat up than buy a new cheap gun. I am a die hard cheap skate but I have learned that buying the cheapest possible thing often costs you more money than if you had bought a decent item to start with. I am always looking for a bargin but unless they were selling for less than $50, I wouldn't buy one.

BTW, what is wrong with the CZ-70? I had one and it was reliable and amazingly accurate. The DA trigger was heavy and rough and the slide took three men to pull back but for $70, I thought it was a deal. Think of a Walther PPK but only not as well finished.

WonderNine
May 8, 2003, 06:59 AM
There is nothing that says I can only one one of them. You argument doesn't hold water. - 444

I think you misunderstood me. The argument that some Hi-Point advocates were making is that it's a good choice for a cheap gun.

It certainly is not seeing the other choices out there. I never said someone like you who can afford to buy two models of everything shouldn't get a Hi-Point just for $h1t$ and giggles, but saying the Hi-Point is a good choice for someone on a budget is ludicrous.

WonderNine
May 8, 2003, 07:10 AM
1.Makarov-nice gun (i have two)but ammo isnt always in stock at GUN STORES let alone Wal-Mart.Hi-Point ammo is everywhere.
2.Used Ruger Blackhawk-nice gun,but the only one youll find for $100 wont have a cylinder!
3.Used CZ52 (nice gun-ammo by mail order)not practical.
Used CZ70-PLEASE!!!!! PASS!!!!!!
4.S&W Model 10-ill pass,but some people like them.Not as fun as a semi IMHO.Definitely not all that.
5.Used Charter Arms revolvers-yah right PASS!
6.Davis autos
The above guns DONT fit into the same category as Hi-Points for various reasons and the argument that they are better for some reason doesnt hold water!!!

TropZ I think that you forgot we're argueing about what is a good defensive handgun for someone who is on a budget.

Stop changing the subject when it suits you. I couldn't care less if I cannot buy 7.62X25mm at Wally World if I'm only strictly going to use it as a defensive gun. I'll order 5 boxes, big deal.

Come to think of it I never buy my plinking ammo from the store either!

Btw, I saw a beautiful (as new) late seventies/early eighties .38 special Charter Arms revolver with forged hammer and trigger sell on Gunbroker for $130 the other day. I should have snapped it up.

Look at this junk they're selling for $150 lol. VVVVVVVVVVVVV

http://www.gunbroker.com/pixhost/2002-08-04/JULESCODY_1028938114_HiPtC9.jpg

What's that on the bottom of the grip, looks like a biohazard symbol :D

WonderNine
May 8, 2003, 07:23 AM
"I own a few higher dollar gun's and have no problem affording more, but guess what, I own a .380 Hi-Point. I really like it. It's big and ugly but very reliable and fun to shoot, plus it saves me some wear and tear on my more expensive gun's by shooting it sometimes." - emann

Just a question, why did you buy a Hi-Point in .380 and not 9mm? Do you have PPK's or something?

.380 ammo is usually more expensive than 9mm as well not to mention loaded much weaker.

emann
May 8, 2003, 06:06 PM
I bought it quite a few years ago (first gun) and didn't know the difference between a .22 and a .45 at the time. I personally have never found myself regretting I bought it though. It seems to take a beating and keep on ticking.

gryphon
May 8, 2003, 08:03 PM
Why do we have to keep re-hashing this topic over and over and over again!

The same people post the same derogatory remarks, and the same people defend.

It's just boring and silly.

I was going to post more of my thoughts, but I decided not to waste the bandwidth.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

blue86buick
May 8, 2003, 08:32 PM
ARUGH! Does this site time-out a lot for everyone (especially when posting a reply), or is it just me?

Anyway....I handled a Hi-Point 9mm compact ($137) today in my local gun shop, and got some of my own opinons on it. For one, it was quite comfortable to hold in the hand. However, the safety seemed a bit akward to me. Secondly, as others have said, it is quite heavy, and the slide seems huge. Third, pullign back the slide seemed to take more effort than should be necessary...but I was told this is due to the heavy spring needed. Lastly....it's not the best looking gun, but the compact is far from hard on the eyes. The compensated however...EGADS! :barf: I might get a carbine though eventually, just for kicks. :)

I was recommened by the friendly dealer to up my price range a bit, and consider something better. In 9x19, he suggested the Star Model B (super?) for $209. Having fired a 1911 .45acp, this seemed quite familiar. Any thoughts on these?

Why do we have to keep re-hashing this topic over and over and over again!

Because I'm a newbie to this forum, I'm planning my first gun purchase, and I don't want to spend 600 dollars (P99) on my first one...that'll be my 2nd or 3rd. :D

KeysBear
May 8, 2003, 08:32 PM
Man, gryphon is right. Looks like a little group of you are determined to dump on Hi-Points every day until you can have the last say. Probably a bunch of old curmudgeons that haven't been out to the range in years. Enough upchucking on peoples' guns. :rolleyes:

Gerald McDonald
May 8, 2003, 09:24 PM
Its kinda like the post on inexpensive guns and some were recommending Kimbers.

blades67
May 8, 2003, 09:35 PM
What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?

One with no money.


I won't say that Hi-Point doesn't make a gun that can get through a magazine without a malfunction, just not one that I've ever seen do it.

cool45auto
May 8, 2003, 10:38 PM
I think they're okay for the market they're targeted for. If that's all you can afford to get you started then go for it. I had one a while back that was a jam-a-matic, but it wasn't my primary gun so no big deal.

WonderNine
May 9, 2003, 03:17 AM
Why do we have to keep re-hashing this topic over and over and over again!

Because one thread isn't the definitive opinion on anything. And new information becomes available. And this is a gun discussion site and we want people discussing guns everyday, even if it is the same topics the arguments and viewpoints will be different.

There's nothing I can't stand more than people trying to close down a discussion board by saying that we can't discuss this anymore because there's already a thread on it so go do a search and swallow whatever you find and don't dare start a new thread about it again....:rolleyes:

WonderNine
May 9, 2003, 03:19 AM
One with no money.

I don't have any money and I buy Brownings :D

kannonfyre
May 9, 2003, 03:56 AM
Personally speaking, I think they're decent pistols! If the authorities suddenly allowed gun ownership over here in Singapore, I'd definately get 3 .40S&W HiPoints.....

...one for dad to keep in his car. One for communal home defence and one to keep in my survival kit.

Of course, I'd also buy either a Glock 17 or a CZ75 for CCW. :D

agentwithrow
May 9, 2003, 05:55 AM
We can yay and nay all day long, now I don't like them at all, but at the end of the day its as dabgerous and deadly as it needs to be.

You wanna volunteer to get shot by that POS? I know I don't,

POS or not, it fires bullets and it hits targets.

Gerald McDonald
May 9, 2003, 06:26 AM
Dont have any money and buy Brownings?

I think you have more money than you realize. No money would be a single mother raising 2 kids on $8.00 an hour. Trying to pay a car note, apartment rent, utilities and school supplies. That may be closer to the kind of person who a Hi-point is targeting. The hipoint will be what the guy at the pawn shop tells her she can afford. In the back of her head she is thinking she will never need it, but the neighborhood she lives in is what as known as the projects. She wont have the benifit of knowing there are better options in the used gun market, she will know that the pawnshop guy will work with her on lay away.

KeysBear
May 9, 2003, 08:38 AM
There are people in the world who probably get by on less money a year than some of you spend on ammo and fancy guns. We're not poor (well maybe) but have one income for four people. My van is eleven years old and runs mostly on prayer. I guarantee that I'll get both my daughters through college one way or another, and my shooting hobby is definitely last on the list of my weekly priorities. I've had to save up for months for every gun I've bought, except for the ones I got cheap as hand me downs through family members or as a gift. I was actually pretty nifty proud when I got my Hi-Point carbine. My Kel-Tec P-11 (concealed carry), Mossberg 500 (home defense, and yes, I've taken it trap shooting with the fancy engraved shotgun folks who were mostly friendly even when I smoked em with my $190 cheapie :) ), and Hi-Point carbine (fun) were all bought new, and the three together cost about $640. Some of you have no idea how stinkin lucky you are. Is it just me or is the forum stuck in molasses the last couple of days? The pages take forever to load. Regards, Keys

Tropical Z
May 9, 2003, 02:16 PM
Yes,Thank You Gerald and Keysbear.Sometimes i almost dont post on Hi-Point threads because the endless bashing by people who probably havent even held one let alone shoot one gets old.

denfoote
May 9, 2003, 06:25 PM
Tropical,
I might just have to go out and buy another one!! Heck, if it works like the other one I had, I'm only out a hundred or so, and the Sonoran desert is VAST!!!!!!! :p :evil:

KeysBear
May 9, 2003, 06:41 PM
denfoote,
Buy a .45 Hi-Point, shoot it for a week, then ship it to me and fly down here to Florida on vacation. When you get here I'll have a nice hole dug in my back yard for you to toss the Hi-Point into. Enjoy the beaches, take a cruise, and then when you get home you can come back here and post about how Hi-Points still stink. Meanwhile I can dig it up, give it a good cleaning and polishing, then shoot thousands of rounds through it at the range for years to come. :D Regards, Keys

blue86buick
May 9, 2003, 10:25 PM
well, from the sounds of it, the Hi-Point carbine is a great, fun, cheap gun. OTOH, the Hi-Point 9mm (compact my flavor of choice), is reliable, reasonably to quite accurate, looks like a brick, and is built like a tank (as heavy as one too! :p ) Other guns in my desired price bracket are more expensive to shoot, harder to find ammo for, revolvers, or hard to find parts for IF they break.



Guess if i wanna start having fun ASAP, it's a carbine for me.

Darrin
May 9, 2003, 10:51 PM
Wondernine,

You mentioned several excellent alternatives to the Hi-Point. However, the Hi-Point would still win with me because of 2 words:



Lifetime Warranty




Just my opinion... ;)

KeysBear
May 9, 2003, 11:46 PM
blue86buick,
Dude! I am talking about fun with the carbine. Trust me. Buy one tomorrow. It's great to be able to shoot your pistol, then switch over to a rifle at the indoor ranges. I freaked when I shot the very first round from it at about 20 yards and hit dead center, then again and again with like 1" grouping. It's cool at forty yards too - right between the eyes on small silhouettes all day long with the factory sights. Everybody I talk to that owns one has the same experience - it's fun, accurate, and likes +P ammo. Just not that easy to clean - oh well, life isn't perfect. Regards, Keys

blue86buick
May 10, 2003, 01:36 AM
i don't own any firearms....yet. (just a couple airguns) I want to start shooting ASAP, which is one reason I'm not waiting until I can afford a P99 to make my first purchase. I figure up to 200 for my first gun in 9mm Luger, up to 250 for a .22LR handgun (ideally Walther P22), then the P99 in 9mm.

denfoote
May 10, 2003, 01:52 AM
KeysBear,

I'm the thorn in Tropical's side!! I'm a former Hi-Point owner who got so fed up with it not working, jamming on everything, including hardball, that I took it out into the vast Sonoran desert and buried it!!! Hey, if you want a free one, get a metal detector and a shovel. It's about 4' under. I'll even give you a hint where to look: It's on the Arizona side of the border!!!
:D

Tropical Z
May 10, 2003, 02:09 AM
WonderNine,i think YOURE the one who didnt read the opening of the thread! It says "What kind of man buys a Hi-Point" not "What good inexpensive handgun should i get".
A CZ-52 is far from a good defensive piece.Almost any handgun in a suitable caliber would be better.If we are talking strictly about defensive pieces that will be shot little then theres an ideal gun and its name is Hi-Point!!!:neener:
Thats unless you like owning a defensive piece that is a pain to get ammo for and sends FMJ's toward the perp at 1600-1800 FPS!Because of this you never practice.Sounds positively stupid to me.:confused:

WonderNine
May 10, 2003, 04:45 AM
Well what about the Arcus or FEG's? I plan on picking one up from AIM as you did. They don't cost much more than a Hi-Point and are miles above them in looks, reliability, ergonomics, trigger pull and cool factor :D Plus you may actually be able to find a decent holster for them :rolleyes: and you can use standard Browning clips 13-17 rounds on up.

You did manage to ignore all of the revolvers I mentioned that are also in the same price range as the Hi-Point (like that beautiful unfired early 80's Charter Arms .38 special with the forged hammer and trigger I missed last week on Gunbroker that went for $130 :banghead: ). I think it was you that said as a personal preference you don't like revolvers, but they are alot more reliable than a Hi-Point and if I had to choose between the two of them because my budget was $150 I'd take a security company trade in Model 10 anyday of the week as a budget home/apartment defense over a Hi-Point (even CCW) weapon AND fun plinker.

But don't take this as a decree like you did before. I'm just stating my opinion and you're welcome to yours...

444
May 10, 2003, 09:18 AM
Wondernine:
You state that FEGs and Arcus are more reliable than Hi-Point. You then go on to say that revolvers are more reliable than Hi-Point. Appearently you have had some personal expernece with Hi-Point's reliability. Please share it with us.

WonderNine
May 10, 2003, 04:22 PM
I cleared an incredibly fffffd up jam for some guy in one the other week at the range (a 9mm one even :confused: 9mm's just don't jam if they're built worth snot) and he had only fired about 4-5 rounds. And I needed a knife to do it. That's my Hi-Point experience. But seriously, just look at the thing :neener:

Gerald McDonald
May 10, 2003, 04:54 PM
Somebody explain how a non shooter with very limited resources is supposed to know what is good or not, looks dont mean squat after all look at the current crop of polymer wonder pistols. By the way I saw a SIG fall to pieces on the range a few years ago, recoil spring went flying down range so the range master stopped everyone while he went downrange and retreived the pieces. It was sent back to the factory and came back with a new slide, one incident doesnt mean much so I wont judge a Hi Point shooter. We all need to remember but for the grace of God there go I.

Majic
May 10, 2003, 09:26 PM
Years ago my brother bought a .45acp Hi-Point. It felt like a brick in my hand and was as about as cute as one. It reminds me of the old western movies because when you run out of ammo you can always throw that brick at em. I can say that it did go bang every time the trigger was pulled and shot right to the sights. It wasn't real comfortable to shoot to me, but if it was really needed who would think about that anyway. It may not be the prettiest thing at the dance, but it will get the job done.

Dogshooter
May 10, 2003, 11:46 PM
I carry a gun in my vehicle at all times. All of the handguns I owned were rather expensive (Kimbers) so I wanted something cheaper to bounce around under the seat at times that I might have to leave my truck unattended for long periods of time in "bad" areas so IF it was broken into, I wouldn't be loosing much. So I got a Hi-Point 9mm. Actually shoots OK and even though it is uglier than a brick, it is a bit more potent.

Bowlcut
May 11, 2003, 12:33 AM
Why dont we all go out and buy one hi point product of our choice....and have fun doing it? Im not going to knock a guy for buying a Hipoint pistol over anything else. Like stated above, people with little spare income find it hard to justify that 1200 dollar Kimber. Yea great gun, and it could one day save your life or more importantly one of your loved ones.....but 1200 dollars could go a long way keeing more important food on the table. If some guy comes to me and says he would want a gun for defense and only has 150ish dollars....id have no problem suggesting a hipoint, if a makarov or cz could not be found. the few gun stores around here ive been in, havent ever had either in their cases when I looked. Ive seen a few hi points tho. If a person wants to defend their rights .... i dont believe he should have to take baby food out of his 1 year olds mouth to do it.


And as soon as my check gets cashed...im buying a carbine....i need a reason to shoot up this 9mm i bought :D

Tropical Z
May 11, 2003, 02:50 AM
Personally i love the ergonomics of my Hi-Point and how it fits my hand.Others who have tried it also like how it feels.No handgun is a perfect fit for everyone.Reliability is reliability-PERIOD!
My opinion's on the previously mentioned revolvers is on page 2!
Im outa this thread!!!:banghead:

Zundfolge
May 11, 2003, 03:25 AM
I think many of you guys are missing the point of the Hi-Point.

WE (that is gun enthusiasts) are NOT the target demographic for Hi-Point.

I could point out a half a dozen different pistols that are significantly better then the Hi-Point at close to the same price, but your average person with little money who just wants a last resort weapon to throw in the nightstand or glovebox doesn't know any better ... and if they don't plan on shooting it regularly it really doesn't matter.

As for the quality of the Hi-Point, several here claim they shoot pretty well, but are made from cheap metal. So I imagine if you don't shoot them a lot they should be fine.

firestar
May 11, 2003, 04:23 PM
A CZ-52 is far from a good defensive piece.Almost any handgun in a suitable caliber would be better.If we are talking strictly about defensive pieces that will be shot little then theres an ideal gun and its name is Hi-Point!!! Thats unless you like owning a defensive piece that is a pain to get ammo for and sends FMJ's toward the perp at 1600-1800 FPS!Because of this you never practice.Sounds positively stupid to me.

Well Tropical Z, Looks like you are WAY off base on that statment! I just posted a thread asking if people would prefer a CZ-52 or any Hi-Point for a defensive gun and with the exception of you, almost everyone chose the CZ-52, even Tamera.
:neener:

Next your going to tell us that a Hi-Point carbin is better than a Yugo SKS.:rolleyes:

The fact is, there are so many guns that are better than Hi-Points and they are often cheaper and will do the job better.

Andrew Wyatt
May 11, 2003, 07:00 PM
the hi point is chambered in commonly available calibers, is inexpensive and has a lifetime warranty.


name another pistol in its price range that can accurately claim that.

gudel
May 12, 2003, 08:05 PM
Very scared, poor, college students (mostly female with their boyfriends in tow) at the first gun show after the "Baton Rouge Serial Killer" story hit the papers.

i'm a poor college student, my first gun ever is the HK USP 45 :)
but there's a gun store is selling hipoint .380 for $99. i might persuade my friend to get one.

guy sajer
May 12, 2003, 08:27 PM
I think this is pretty well played out but here goes. I'm sure someone will dredge it up next month .

The only thing I could add would be that we sell Wilson , LBC , Sig , HK , on down the price scale to Hi Point . We move about 300 Hi Points each year along with 7,000 other guns . I personally write all warranty service letters for guns that need to be returned . Last year I returned 4 HP's for service . They were returned within 10 days average and a free magazine was included . I wish I could get that service out of the other mfg I deal with !

As far as the CZ 52 comparison , one or the other . I'd go with the new gun . I buy 52's for our store to sell . They are a pretty good gun and a neat design . They do have a problem with firing pin breakage though . I personally had to replace mine 3 times before I sold it . 7.62x25 would not be my choice for personall defense if I had a choice . Overpenetration and ammo availability are 2 reasons that come to mind .

my editorial:
People make fun of Hi Points and that's their right to . I've seen it on sveral forum sites besides here . Must be a superiority power trip or something .

Mitch
www.oldeenglishoutfitters.com

Gewehr98
May 12, 2003, 08:33 PM
And, as 444 stated above, they can buy the zinc/blowback Hi-Points until the cows come home. If people didn't buy them, they wouldn't make them. Free market economy, ain't it a wunnerful thing?

I thought the one I inherited/owned was useless. I also hated gun-buybacks, as promulgated by local police and sheriff's departments. I hadn't thought of Denfoote's idea of burying the thing 4 feet under out in the sticks. Then it dawned on me, the Hi-Point wouldn't jam on me or anybody else if I took it down to the local gun buyback, and traded it to the nice policeman for cash. Voila'! I used the money as a down-payment on a law enforcement trade-in (FDLE) Kahr K9.

Wonder what the zinc content of that Hi-Point did to the final composition of the liquid metal as all those guns were melted down? :confused:

Illuminaughty
December 19, 2005, 04:20 AM
All I have to say about Hi-Points is, I don't like them and I wouldn't waste my money on them. There is no question that there are better made guns out there for the same or less money than a Hi-Points costs new. I just would rather spend my money on a good used gun that is a little beat up than buy a new cheap gun. I am a die hard cheap skate but I have learned that buying the cheapest possible thing often costs you more money than if you had bought a decent item to start with. I am always looking for a bargin but unless they were selling for less than $50, I wouldn't buy one.

BTW, what is wrong with the CZ-70? I had one and it was reliable and amazingly accurate. The DA trigger was heavy and rough and the slide took three men to pull back but for $70, I thought it was a deal. Think of a Walther PPK but only not as well finished.

Firstly, the old hi points ARE crap. Agreed. But the new generation hi points? Well, mine has yet to FTF or JAM. I like ak's and I like hi points. they both seem to say the same thing in their own respective fields. Ask all the people who own hi poitns you know how often they've jammed or had problems from the factory, compared to some springfield 1911. Just ask.

Whether you'd like to believe it or not, HI POINT HAS LESS PROBLEMS!

And 10x less the cost. :p

You say going into the field and buying the first pistol you see for cheap is bad, but you don't say going into the field and buying the first pistol you see that's expensive is!

Its obvious you don't own a new hi point, because everything you say is OPINION. Not based in FACT, just WHIM.

And what other pistols can take +P+ ammo with no problem, and have a lifetime warranty no matter if you're the original owner or not? I don't see many police departments using the guns you listed, and yet I know a few that use hi points.

Hi point is the way it looks for the price, but its such a high quality gun for the price, you naysayers are unwilling to admit that however the hi point might look or how "bulky" you'd like to imagine it is, IT WAS BUILT TO BE CHEAP AND EFFICIENT. THE SIZE IS PART OF THAT, AS IS THE SLIDE CONSTRUCTION! BUT THESE THINGS'LL TAKE ALL THE BEATING OF A GLOCK OR AK AND KEEP ON SHOOTING!

Honestly, some of you people just like talking out of your asses to make yourself feel better about wasting thousands of dollars on guns your friends' have convinced you to buy with learned rhetoric that they learned when they bought it for the same reason you did! A copy of a copy of a copy of a copy! HI POINTS ARE MUCH GREATER THAN YOU GUYS WILL ADMIT! COME ON!

1. LIFETIME WARRANTY
2. MORE RELIABLE/TOUGH THAN MOST ALL GUNS OUT THERE!
3. +P+ AMMO RATED BARREL, THIS STUFF WILL SHOOT ANYTHING!
4. ADJUSTABLE SITES/ TACTICAL RAIL
5. STRONG MAGAZINES!! (IVE HAD MINE LOADED FOR YEARS AND IT HAS YET TO ACT UP!)

All this for A HUNDRED BUCKS. Quit kidding yourselves and admit that hi point is peerless in its niche in the market, and that we're ALL better off with hi point existing.

Ovid
December 19, 2005, 06:39 AM
Here is a review from defensereview.com, enjoy... :D

"Hi-Point 9MM compact
Posted by Anonymous on 2004-05-31 07:14:09
My Score: 5 Stars

I own a .40 hi point with red dot paid like 150 for it and this thing is a beast. It will leafe a hole in your leg about the size of an orange. I had to bring it out in a battle the other night. This dude had a .357 and nipped my thigh but i brought out my red dot put a big red dot on his face and he jumped back falling down i let one off and it smakced him in the shin blowing it almost all the way off...Thanks hi point!!!!!!"

Mad Chemist
December 19, 2005, 06:48 AM
I'm suprised that no one mentioned Bersa. They are cheap, very reliable, and much easier on the eyes than a High Point. Extra mags are a little expensive now but that will change as they aquire greater market share and more aftermarket mags become available.

JH

White Horseradish
December 19, 2005, 03:32 PM
I keep asking where people get the $100 Model 10. I've never seen them below $190 around here.

Illuminaughty
December 19, 2005, 03:39 PM
I keep asking where people get the $100 Model 10. I've never seen them below $190 around here.

Typically used hi points. New hi points pistols are ~ 150, and carbines ~ 220.

cz75bdneos22
December 19, 2005, 03:52 PM
a man with disposable income...one who wants to find out for himself what's it all bout..to have knowledge otherwise, then he can form his own opinions, insted of hearsay..Shoot to live....Live to Shoot! YMMV:p

Taurus 617 CCW
December 19, 2005, 03:55 PM
It's certainly better than flinging rocks, using a sling shot, or God forbid using a Jennings.

Carl N. Brown
December 19, 2005, 04:25 PM
Never had any faith in a Jennings 9mm, but the J22 .22 is worth the money.

Point is, a person who buys a HiPoint pistol is not a gun buff/hobbyist
historian, target shooter or hunter but a non-gunnie buying a self-defense
appliance that they will shoot only as a last resort.

If my son wants to diss a gunshow, he talks about the wunnerful array
of Jennings :rolleyes: they had. I'll have to show him a HiPoint some day.

MatthewVanitas
December 22, 2005, 01:44 AM
I keep asking where people get the $100 Model 10. I've never seen them below $190 around here.

I always wondered the same thing. Best I ever did was $120 for a 1919 Colt PPS in .38Spl, which I ended up selling for the same price to a med student who needed an HD piece. I've also seen an H&R .38Spl for $79, and should have bought that. Both were at DJ's Sport and Loan in Seattle, which is still my favorite gunshop.

Some people seem to have this uncanny knack to finding $15 NEF shotguns and the like, but not me. But I question some of the reported good deals: I've had folks quote me 1977 prices for guns as though they were equally valid in 2006, which is kind of annoying: "Ya didn't pay more than $45 for that 30-30 lever-gun, didja? Ya shouldn't pay a dime more than that, and use the dime ta buy a burger and sixpack on the way back home."

-MV (not a Highpoint owner, but keeping an eye out for one just to annoy elitists)

grimjaw
December 22, 2005, 02:13 AM
Folks with Hi Points have the first rule down pat.

+1. Besides, they look so sci-fi . . .

jmm

JohnKSa
December 22, 2005, 03:37 AM
Fact is, the vast majority of gun owners are not "gun afficionados". For them a gun is simply a tool.

So, people buy Hi-Points because they need a gun but don't care anything about guns. It's cheap, it has a lifetime warranty, that's all it takes.

gudel
December 22, 2005, 03:57 AM
wow, somebody revived this thread from 2003!

strambo
December 22, 2005, 04:58 AM
I'm glad this thread got revived. I didn't know new hi points were reliable. Good info to put in the back of my head, might be useful to someone else down the road.

gotcha1911
December 22, 2005, 08:28 AM
they look like sumthin a Glock puked up :what:

tunnellram
December 27, 2005, 05:11 PM
The kind who enjoy's shooting a pistol that works everytime, is guaranteed forever, and likes hitting what he aims at. Who cares what it looks like? It shoots better than most of my others.

McCall911
December 27, 2005, 06:06 PM
Hi Point buyers' preference in cigars: Instead of Punch maduros, they choose El Productos maybe?
:D
(j/k)

MCgunner
December 27, 2005, 06:30 PM
I'm not interested in one, but I'm not going to put it down if it functions and shoots as well as owners claim. I just have other guns and it'd be a waste of money I could be spending on a vintage S&W revolver I think I'm going to go gun show hoppin for next. :D Or, perhaps that 3" SP101 I started pining for.

But, I don't judge a gun for its ergos. Never crossed my mind about "ergos" until I started reading all these whinny posts about a gun not "fitting the hand". It has to be pretty sorry, like maybe one of those hand cannons they used 500 years ago with a hand held match, before I'll worry about ergos. You can change the grips on revolvers, one of their many benefits. That's not to applicable to autos, but revolvers have always worked better than autos for me. I do carry a compact 9 and own autos. I like finger groove hogue rubber grips on 'em.

I have NEVER figured out what people see in 1911s. :rolleyes: The grip hits me in the back of the palm and at the fingers and doesn't fill my hand at all, total POS for ergos, but I still have owned and shot 'em. I prefer a hand filling grip like my Rugers have, but I won't discount owning and shooting 1911s. A gun is a gun and I can shoot 'em all, even my Grendel P12 which is probably the worst for ergos I have, but it's a good shooter.

Teh High Point, though, does absolutely nothing for me. It's not a really practical gun, I have lots better. And, it's one butt ugly SOB to my eye! :barf: So, I don't have any desire, thanks. If I didn't have a big auto or three already, I might get one, though. I'm strapped for cash right now and everything anyone who's ever actually owned one of the things says they're reliable and accurate. I don't know anyone who has one or I'd bum a test on it at the range.

hotpig
December 27, 2005, 11:25 PM
I think a lot of people miss the point on these guns. These are not frilly guns. There is no maintanance,other than a drop of oil every once in a while. no cleaning is needed. I have some of the first ones to hit the market. They have not been cleaned since about 1997.

If something was to break MKS will fix it. If it wears out or is not worth sending back to get fixed, who cares!! It is a plinker and by then you have got more than your moneys worth out of it.:D

R.W.Dale
December 27, 2005, 11:42 PM
I think a lot of people miss the point on these guns. These are not frilly guns. There is no maintanance,other than a drop of oil every once in a while. no cleaning is needed. I have some of the first ones to hit the market. They have not been cleaned since about 1997.

If something was to break MKS will fix it. If it wears out or is not worth sending back to get fixed, who cares!! It is a plinker and by then you have got more than your moneys worth out of it.:D

Exactly, Kinda like buying an $11,000 hyundai car. Cheap car, cheap on gas great warranty. You just drive it untill you get your money out of it,then when something expensive breaks 15yrs down the road you throw it away and get a new one.

Sean85746
December 28, 2005, 12:42 AM
I say this as a proud Glock packer. I own many fime, pretty, rare, and just neat guns. But, I carry a Glock...it works.

Now...I had a guy in a position of owing me 25 bucks. He offered me a Hi-Point 9mm, with 3 mags, and a nylon holster of unknown origin.

I, out of curiosity, took it out to my back porch with a hundred pack of Winchester 115grain 9mm ball ammo.

It gobbled it up, and fairly accurately too.

I even tossed in some old CCI Lawman 9mm ammo, and it ate thoe without a hitch.

Okay....back into the safe it goes. Fast forward a year. A friend needs a pistol. He is broke, his ex-wife is eating him alive with alimony and child support...poor guy is living on $600.00 per month, and EARNS $60K a year!

I give him the Hi Point.

He is grateful. He used it when some scumbags broke into the crap hole south Phoenix apartment he was living in.

Best $25 bucks I ever spent.

I later gave him a Smith & Wesson 4006 that I got in trade for a set of rims for my long gone 1990 GMC pickup.

He kept the Hi Point too.

hotpig
December 28, 2005, 02:31 AM
Sean85746

The Hi Point is not much uglier than my Glocks. A pretty gun would be a two tone Sig, glossy Hi Power, or tricked out 1911.

Now that I think about it the rugged good looks of my Hi Point always attracts attention at the range.;)

jeepmor
December 28, 2005, 02:37 AM
If that was a cool looking gun, everyone would be tripping over themselves to get a hold of one because they ARE reliable, and they DO go BOOM, BETTER than many guns of much higher pedigree.

I think of it as a gun for the single mom that just can't afford anything but the rough neighborhood for herself and family. Or her ex-husband who now has no money, or house, and now lives in one of those neighborhoods. I lived in those neighborhoods as a youth, but back then fistfights were it, no guns, so I can't imagine that area now....eek. Any pistol provides security, especially to a scared woman around a bunch of posturing, drinking, drugging, gang bangin, thug type punks that seem to spawn in those locales.

Think of it more as a sleep aid for their target audience, not a fashion statement. I know I sleep better with a pistol on the nightstand, how bout you? Damn, they are UGLY!:barf: :barf: :barf: No argument there.

jeepmor

glockamolee
December 28, 2005, 03:12 AM
My first thought was to try and be funny. I was going to state that one should Krome it and put Purple accents on it. Then make a "gangsta" video.

On the sensible side... one cannot always judge a book by its cover. I don't own a Hi Point. If it works, don't worry what people think. If it works, great! enjoy it. I may take a look at the .380.

grizz5675
December 28, 2005, 03:54 AM
what kind of person would buy a glock

50caliber123
December 28, 2005, 07:08 AM
The Hi-point Carbine is wonderful. Its only downside is the 10-round mag. I have two after-market high-cap mags, but they don't work at all. It looks kinda like a gun from star wars. Sure, a lot of people knock it, but it shoots decently at 50 yards with the factory aperture sights. The next pistol-caliber carbine that I was looking at that was new and had aperture sights was about $500, the Ruger P9. I would love to have the P9, but thats too much for a little 9mm carbine...:(

guy sajer
December 28, 2005, 11:05 AM
...I give him the Hi Point.

He is grateful. He used it when some scumbags broke into the crap hole south Phoenix apartment he was living in.

Best $25 bucks I ever spent.

...

Sean , you're a good friend :cool:

Vic
December 28, 2005, 11:11 AM
Might be better than a taurus in which I have seen jam up so bad it wouldn't function and that's a revolver! If it goes "BANG" when it's supposed to and hits what you're pointing at, that's the name of the game.

"My wife asked me for money and I told her I had none. My dog became terrible ill, I handed the vet one hundred dollars without batting an eye. Priorities man!!!" (This is a true story...not a quote).

idahoberetta9000s
December 29, 2005, 01:43 AM
A poor one!!:evil:

Olys45
December 30, 2005, 10:37 AM
Point is, a person who buys a HiPoint pistol is not a gun buff/hobbyist
historian, target shooter or hunter but a non-gunnie buying a self-defense
appliance that they will shoot only as a last resort.



What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?

Well I am the exact opposite of the above post. I did not include the name of the original member because he summed up the other posts the best.

My father is affectionately termed a "General Junker" on the Gun Show circuit. My folks have been going to the NRA Annual meetings for almost the last 20 years, and have set up a display for the Weapons Collector's Association that he serves on the board of directors. I have held/shot a varied array of firearms growing up, everything from a high dollar Model 52 Winchester target rifle to the Hi-Point that I bought a couple of months ago.
True I have spent more time shooting lead at targets, paper, pin and clay than chasing after animals, but I consider myself a "hunter".
When I was in high school, I could just about appraise a Krag-Jorgenson rifle and tell you if it was "sportarized" by some clown after it came into the civ market.

True, I don't have very many firearms myself, I have always lived through my pop's collection but I am trying to rectify that!

When I have lived outside the wire in the big bad world I have had a shotgun and in later years added a .45 Nork 1911 clone for my home defense. I just recently got my CWP and started carrying when I venture off base.

Why did I buy a Hi-point? I wanted a cheap reliable firearm. I have fired about 210 rounds of cheap 9mm ammo and some Hydra-Shok's through it and my only complaint is getting the magazine to fully seat. I have just taken to banging on the bottom, racking the slide and then slapping it again. After it seats, I have not had any problems what so ever. That is a better track record than my Nork. I usually have at least one FTE in 100 rounds with the Winchester White Box ammo.

Cleaning? A few drops of oil and I wiped down the outside of the barrel and around the ejection port. I am going to buy a bore snake to clean the barrel and call it good until I hit the 1000 round mark.

What put me over the top about buying one was a conversation that I had with a dealer back in Montana. He told me that he can only remember sending two Hi-Points back for service over the last couple of years. One was from a guy working up his own handloads and the other guy took the gun apart and didn't get it back together right and something broke. Seemed to me that if you pay attention and only feed it factory ammo you shouldn't have any worries.

Manedwolf
December 30, 2005, 11:31 AM
The Makarov is a 9x18 - 380ACP being 9x17 and the most famous 9mm (Luger or Parabellum) being 9x19 so it's somewhere inbetween there, probably a bit closer to the 380 but there is good ammo (Barnaul and LVE) that reliably expands that is very inexpensive. Ammo is quite inexpansive to the tune of 50 rounds of carry-worthy HPs being about $6/50 rounds or just a bit more than 9mm FMJ ammo from Winchester or S&B.

This reliable but guly as sin Hi-Points aside, I think the Bulgarian Maks are the best values in quasi-new guns on the market. Mine (Russian) cost $110 with two mags, a holster, a cleaning rod, two pair of grips and a box of ammo.


Yeah, they're well-made little things, but that doesn't address the main point. Hi-points, ugly as they are, shoot the seriously effective calibers. Things like 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 . A Mak is a decent pocket holdout backup gun, but...it's not a .45, no matter how well-made it is. :) It does NOT hit as as hard as a 9mm Luger, by any mark. And it's not what I'd choose for a serious home-defense pistol.

StopIRS
January 1, 2006, 07:50 PM
This is my first-time post on this forum, or any other gun forum.

Its been years since I've had time to shoot (married and have young children). I have been wanting to buy some quality firearms to fill the many empty categories in my puny collection. I recently purchased a SIG Hammerli .22 Trailside with 6" barrel and it shoots like charm right out of the box. Real tack driver.

As I didn't own a large caliber automatic pistol (I have a used S&W Mod. 19 .357 with 2 1/2 barrel) I had a mind to get a .45 ACP and I was seriously considering between H&K or a SIG Sauer, and I may still yet buy one of those. I wanted a strong, high quality, reliable gun.

After reading your many posts, and other articles, last week I ordered a S&W Mod 638 .38+p, to arrive next week, for a pocket gun.

I am also in the market for a short carbine, and fter looking at posts and articles on the internet, I found out about the Hi-Point carbine and found that some magazines had reviewed them as quite satisfactory. They have a "unique" look to them to put it politely (certainly not an M-1 carbine copy).

I saw your many posts about the Hi-Point pistols, and since I was in the market for a large caliber (and being a very frugal person even though I've saved up enough coins to buy a high quality firearm) I decided to call my neighborhood gun dealer yesterday and ask him about them (Rich Mountain Traders in Ellijay, GA).

He said he sells a LOT of Hi-Points and they are sometimes hard to get since they sell out so quickly. He also said he has almost no reported problems with them. He only had a .45 in stock (what a coincidence).

I immediately went to see it. Since I've never owned a large caliber auto before I didn't have much to compare it too, except the S&W, Ruger and Dan Wesson .375 revolvers I've shot, and one .44 mag S&W revolver I've shot.

I guess it was ugly, but no uglier than the other "modern" looking guns in his display case. The dealer said it would feel top heavy, and it did. The price was... $149.75 ($139.95 + $9.80 tax). I couldn't control myself. I whipped out the credit card and bought it. I immediately went to our local WalMart and bought a 100-round box of Remington 230 gr. JHP. And I called a buddy to see if we could use his pasture to shoot in.

What can I say. I was a little nervous before shooting it as I'd never shot a 45ACP before, and I was concerned about the gun perhaps blowing up on me since so many people were saying it was a pot-metal piece of garbage. But I had no need to worry.

The gun shot fine.
- We shot at approx. 7 yards, 12 yards and 25 yards.
- The orange three-dot sights are great especially for shooting in end-of-the-day, overcast light as we were.
- it has good pointability (it points where you're looking)
- Right out of the box it held good groups even at 25 yards, which we did sitting with elbows braced on knees.
- No problems whatsoever. It shot where we pointed it with reasonable tight grouping affected only by the shooter's ability to hold it steady.
- Not much worse in accuracy than my little SIG Hammerli Trailside, but my S&W may be more accurate (but I was still a little anxious as I shot the HP).
- Recoil was not bad, I guess due to the heavy slide (recoil with my short-barreled S&W with heavy loads may have heavier recoil).
- The trigger pull seemed a little heavy to my buddy, but not so bad to me, although it would be nice if it was a little lighter
- My buddy thought the grips could have used some more texture to make them grip better, and I agree.
- I thought the safety looked a little flimsy and not "substantial" enough
- I would have liked if it didn't have a magazine lock which kept you from firing with the magazine out even if there is a round in the chamber
- I like that its a carefree gun. My buddy said it would be great to own a decent shooting pistol like the HP which you didn't have to worry about getting scratched up or perhaps even stolen
- My hands are small and I didn't like or need the grip extension located on the bottom of the magazine
- Neither of us tried single hand shooting
- would have preferred if it would have allowed me to cycle back the slide while the safety is engaged which it prevented, but I don't know if this is standard on auto pistols
- the magazine release was located fine, it was forward enough to not have to worry about accidentally releasing the magazine in the heat of firing.
- the gun is a big brute with metal cut markings on that part which can be seen inside the exjector port (sorry I don't know what that part of called, may the "bolt"?)

I plan on really putting some rounds through it to test it. Does anyone know where some decent .45 ACP JHP ammo can be found cheap in bulk?

I feel a little funny owning such a "cheap" gun, as I swore I'd never own anything but "quality" again. But it appears this gun certainly gets the three main functions of an auto done: cycles rounds, goes bang, and more than reasonably hits the target where you point it.

What more could any man desire. Plus it allows ALL Americans the opportunity to purchase a gun without the huge mental hurdle of spending $500, and they then become an advocate of gun ownership.

While it would be interesting to see how it does in a 5-10,000 round test shoot, the Hi-Point may very well be the WalMart of gun sales. They even do better than Walmart - they're made in the USA.

I'll try to keep you posted in a few weeks/months after I've been able to see how it handles a larger quantity of rounds.

Thanks for all your quality posts. I hope this one isn't too long for ya. Have a Happy New Year.

Mr Jody Hudson
January 1, 2006, 08:16 PM
To the best of my knowledge you have already found the good practice ammo, the Walmart, Winchester White Box .45 JHP is about as good and cheap as it gets.

Nice report by the way!

varoadking
January 2, 2006, 12:24 AM
To the best of my knowledge you have already found the good practice ammo, the Walmart, Winchester White Box .45 JHP is about as good and cheap as it gets.

Nice report by the way!

I didn't know Winchester packaged JHP's in the value packs...is this something new, or did you mean FMJ?

Optical Serenity
January 2, 2006, 06:10 AM
I'd buy one for $39 :) :)

mrmeval
January 9, 2006, 12:28 AM
Hear Hear!
Everyone should get a set of Al-Mar stainless damascus!!!

People without money are the ones living in neighborhoods where they are most likely to need a gun. A lot of honest people live in bad neighborhoods.
Have you seen the kitchen knives most people have? Garbage, with those stupid mini-serations, like the Ginsu knives. If you have one in your kitchen, then you have no room to complain about the Hi Point.

mrmeval
January 9, 2006, 12:29 AM
Ok

http://www.mkssupply.com/

http://www.mkssupply.com/documents/guntest.pdf

Just don't post pics, mmm-kay? :evil:

sigma 40ve
January 9, 2006, 04:33 AM
I for one. I bought a 45 just to see how well it would shoot and see how long it would hold up. Someone at my club has a 45 with probably between 2-3k rds thru it with no problems so far. Mine has about 500 problem free rds so far. And yes, I can afford better and do own better pistols.

S&W10mm
January 9, 2006, 05:33 AM
I Would Guess A Girlie Man?

S&W10mm

denfoote
January 9, 2006, 08:53 PM
But, I don't judge a gun for its ergos. Never crossed my mind about "ergos" until I started reading all these whinny posts about a gun not "fitting the hand".

Ok, that's all very well and good.
I happen to be one of those "whinny" people.
I have small hands.
Full size guns with large double stack mags cannot be made to fit my hand. The Glock 30 is an example.
I compensate by shooting it's smaller brother: Glock 36.
Life's to short to be struggling with a gun that does not fit!! ;)

hotpig
January 9, 2006, 09:08 PM
Every gunboard that I vistit has this same post. Guys that have Hi Points like them, guys that do not have one hate them.

This and the caliber wars are both getting a little old. I guess it keeps some people amused.

sgb
January 9, 2006, 11:40 PM
the same kind that buys a RIA and says it's better than the rest.:rolleyes:

edwardyoung
January 10, 2006, 02:24 PM
What kind of man takes time to disparage the person who buys a Hi-Point?

SilentStalker
January 10, 2006, 04:16 PM
The only people that buy Hi-Point guns where I live are the gangbangers. The cops that work at the range will even tell you that LOL.

Skeptic
January 10, 2006, 05:23 PM
I plan on buying the HP in 9, 40, and 45. Just because I can. If I like them, I may buy more.
Now I just gotta find out if they are "Maryland" compliant..... What a screwed up state...

Tropical Z
January 12, 2006, 01:43 PM
What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?
A real tough guy like me!:what:
Gee,I didn't realize this was such an old thread.Ive already posted on the superiority of the Hi-Point line.

mrmeval
January 12, 2006, 02:58 PM
One whose going to buy us all a nice expensive guhn?
What kind of man takes time to disparage the person who buys a Hi-Point?

American Veteran
January 14, 2006, 02:28 AM
For starters... I think women are allowed to buy them as well. But to answer your question: What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?

The kind of man who needs a gun. An American who prefers to keep hard working Americans in Ohio employed. A veteran who was wounded fighting to protect the freedoms of fellow Americans. Freedom to purchase Hi-Point firearms and even freedom for those who bad mouth guns they've never shot. A hard working American who believes that the 2nd Amendment is still as valid today as it was in 1789. A man who doesn't need to extol his manhood by bragging about spending $1,000 on a handgun. A six foot two, two hundred and twenty pound, marine who doesn't feel the need to put down fellow Americans for only spending $169.00 on a handgun. A man who can appreciate a value. A man who wants to defend his family and still afford to buy his kids shoes.

The real question here should be: What kind of man cares about what kind of gun another man buys? If you don't like the gun, don't buy one.

I purchased a 45 ACP HiPoint. I tried it with a couple of different ammo manufacturers. Once I got it sighted, it performed as well as the 45 I used in the Marine Corps. I've put 14 boxes of ammo through the gun and I haven't had a problem with it. It even shoots the cheap stuff well. It's not the most attractive gun in the world, but I didn't buy it so that I could place it in a glass case and admire it. I bought this gun just in case, by some freak chance, my house is broken into by some guy hopped up on PCP. The last thing he'll hear before leaving this world is the sound of a HiPoint 45 doing it's job and protecting my family.

Maybe I got the only good HiPoint? Or maybe I'm just one of the thousands of HiPoint owners who is happy with their purchase. Semper Fidelis.

American Veteran
January 14, 2006, 02:30 AM
Accidentally posted twice... I guess it was hard to step down from my soap box! Semper Fidelis.

ezypikns
January 14, 2006, 02:36 AM
and the first one I sold. For most of us, it's a cheap beginning. For some folks it may be enough forever.

Zen21Tao
January 14, 2006, 03:22 AM
I don't own one but I have been tempted to buy one ever since the VPC and Braddy folks attacked it as a "cheap junk gun" marketed to poor criminal types. Am I the only one that thinks there is just something warm and comforting about owning guns that the anti- crowd deeply despise?

possum
January 14, 2006, 03:29 AM
I personally wouldn't have one but I believe with pracite and being a good shot with it is better than many of the people who I have seen shooting glocks and sigs and the like. as long as you are confident and deadly with the weapon it really dosen't matter what you are using!

seansean
January 22, 2006, 05:28 PM
I'm sure I'll be abused for this, but...I just bought a hi-point 9mm for $192, including DROS and tax, out the door(well, out the door after my ten day waiting period)...I have another thread I started where I stated that I wanted a glock 36 or a ruger sp101, and I'm gonna follow through on that next purchase, but I bought this for several reasons: The price(I'm on a budget, at least this month), I didn't have ANY guns because I had to sell what I had, I don't believe they're as bad as people make them out to be, the lifetime guarantee, and if I decide to CCW in a, shall we say non-permissive environment, and I get caught and the gun confiscated, I'm not out a whole lot of money. Those are my reasons and I'm stickin' to 'em :neener:

Javelin Man
January 22, 2006, 09:41 PM
I think you got abused by the dealer for charging you that much. I paid $150 for my .45 and I thought that 9mm were going for $109 give or take a little, unless you're talking about the carbine, of course.

Don't get me wrong, you still can't buy anything else new for that price, but I thought they were a little cheaper than that.

aaronrkelly
January 23, 2006, 05:27 AM
DAL buddy, I often read:

The first rule of gun fighting is to bring a gun...........

I have yet to read:

The first rule of gun fighting is to bring an expensive gun.......



Anyone wanna bet that DAL wouldnt let me shoot him with one of the lowly Hi Points???

seansean
January 23, 2006, 12:14 PM
For starters... I think women are allowed to buy them as well. But to answer your question: What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?

The kind of man who needs a gun. An American who prefers to keep hard working Americans in Ohio employed. A veteran who was wounded fighting to protect the freedoms of fellow Americans. Freedom to purchase Hi-Point firearms and even freedom for those who bad mouth guns they've never shot. A hard working American who believes that the 2nd Amendment is still as valid today as it was in 1789. A man who doesn't need to extol his manhood by bragging about spending $1,000 on a handgun. A six foot two, two hundred and twenty pound, marine who doesn't feel the need to put down fellow Americans for only spending $169.00 on a handgun. A man who can appreciate a value. A man who wants to defend his family and still afford to buy his kids shoes.

The real question here should be: What kind of man cares about what kind of gun another man buys? If you don't like the gun, don't buy one.

I purchased a 45 ACP HiPoint. I tried it with a couple of different ammo manufacturers. Once I got it sighted, it performed as well as the 45 I used in the Marine Corps. I've put 14 boxes of ammo through the gun and I haven't had a problem with it. It even shoots the cheap stuff well. It's not the most attractive gun in the world, but I didn't buy it so that I could place it in a glass case and admire it. I bought this gun just in case, by some freak chance, my house is broken into by some guy hopped up on PCP. The last thing he'll hear before leaving this world is the sound of a HiPoint 45 doing it's job and protecting my family.

Maybe I got the only good HiPoint? Or maybe I'm just one of the thousands of HiPoint owners who is happy with their purchase. Semper Fidelis.

well said.:cool:

guy sajer
January 28, 2006, 05:10 PM
well said.:cool:

Agreed !
As often as this topic is rehashed , we should sticky The Veteran's posting at the top of the pistol forum . :cool:

CajunBass
January 28, 2006, 08:43 PM
I like Hi-Point threads. They're like Zombies: they never die. They just keep coming back for more.

aguyindallas
January 29, 2006, 01:12 AM
The first handgun I ever bought was a compensated 9mm HighPoint.

What kind of guy...a guy on a low budget that wants to break into the shooting world. I was living in California and just didnt have the money I have today. Its what I could afford, it was cheap to shoot, and best of all, it got me hooked on guns.

CajunsMisty
January 29, 2006, 11:33 AM
For starters... I think women are allowed to buy them as well. But to answer your question: What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?

The kind of man who needs a gun. An American who prefers to keep hard working Americans in Ohio employed. A veteran who was wounded fighting to protect the freedoms of fellow Americans. Freedom to purchase Hi-Point firearms and even freedom for those who bad mouth guns they've never shot. A hard working American who believes that the 2nd Amendment is still as valid today as it was in 1789. A man who doesn't need to extol his manhood by bragging about spending $1,000 on a handgun. A six foot two, two hundred and twenty pound, marine who doesn't feel the need to put down fellow Americans for only spending $169.00 on a handgun. A man who can appreciate a value. A man who wants to defend his family and still afford to buy his kids shoes.

The real question here should be: What kind of man cares about what kind of gun another man buys? If you don't like the gun, don't buy one.

I purchased a 45 ACP HiPoint. I tried it with a couple of different ammo manufacturers. Once I got it sighted, it performed as well as the 45 I used in the Marine Corps. I've put 14 boxes of ammo through the gun and I haven't had a problem with it. It even shoots the cheap stuff well. It's not the most attractive gun in the world, but I didn't buy it so that I could place it in a glass case and admire it. I bought this gun just in case, by some freak chance, my house is broken into by some guy hopped up on PCP. The last thing he'll hear before leaving this world is the sound of a HiPoint 45 doing it's job and protecting my family.

Maybe I got the only good HiPoint? Or maybe I'm just one of the thousands of HiPoint owners who is happy with their purchase. Semper Fidelis.

Oh OH Oh!! I like the way you think. Where do you live? I'll bake you some cookies. :D

We've got a Hi-Point that works too. I'm "Just a dumb female" what do I know. I pull the trigger. It goes boom and hits what I aimed at. Isn't that what they're supposed to do?

And they're cheap. More money for shoes. :p

S&W620
January 29, 2006, 02:19 PM
+1 on not worrying about what type of gun another man or woman buys. I am not impressed by anyone on this site with a pistol that costs 3k, nor do I look down on anyone who has a Hi Point. Who gives a S&%T? I'm sure that ANYONE that has a hi point would love to have an unlimited budget for a handgun, but most people do not. I do not own a Hi Point. Have shot two different 9mm's though. Gun fired when trigger was pulled....that's the idea right??? I was under the impression that THR was a site where folks came to discuss a common interest and become more informed gun owners? Didn't know we were all here to make fun of fellow members for their choice of gun. Lets try a little harder to show some class and respect fellas

3rdpig
January 29, 2006, 08:24 PM
To me it boils down to this, more firearms in the hands of law abiding people is a good thing. Those of us that can afford more expensive guns have to remember, for someone on a low income supporting a family, buying an expensive gun isn't a matter of doing without some extras, it means having thier car repossesed or getting tossed out of thier home. It's a cheap gun or it's NO gun.

To anyone on a super tight budget, trying to make ends meet and working your butt off to do it, and STILL managing to find the time and money to purchase and learn to use a gun to defend your family, the next round is on me, I don't care what gun you chose to buy.

mordechaianiliewicz
January 29, 2006, 09:05 PM
Hey, don't diss a Hi-Point. They ain't bad as long as you know what you're payin' for. Is a Ruger better? Yes. A surp Makarov or police trade-in S&W? Yep.

But if it was havin' nuthin' or a Hi-Point, I'd take the Hi-Point everytime

chuck pullen
January 29, 2006, 09:17 PM
Thankfully, I can buy a better quality handgun, and have done so many times.;)
But for those on a tight budget, ergonomics and beauty sometimes have to take a backseat to reliability and affordability. Hi-Point firearms meet these requirements well, from everything I've read. Therefore, I won't criticize someone's decision to defend his family w/ a functional gun that is
w/in his means. Instead, I'll applaud it.

f4t9r
January 29, 2006, 11:06 PM
there are lots of lower priced guns out there, nothing wrong with some of them and something is better then nothing. There is a market for everyone and thats the way it should be.

madmike
January 29, 2006, 11:13 PM
But for those on a tight budget, ergonomics and beauty sometimes have to take a backseat to reliability and affordability. Hi-Point firearms meet these requirements well, from everything I've read. Therefore, I won't criticize someone's decision to defend his family w/ a functional gun that is w/in his means. Instead, I'll applaud it.

Paraphrasing Fred Rexer, Jr: "Cheap pistols aren't for criminals. They're for poor people threatened by criminals to keep in their sock drawer. That is where God and the Second Amendment intended them to be."

I've got a $2K AR. I've also got an $80 Commission Rifle (pre 1899 and no papers needed), several single shot Stevens built from parts, legal and no papers, a couple of 1911s and a used el-cheapo Grendel .380 11+1 that fits in my coat pocket unseen, among others.

A gun that works and doesn't make you go broke is better than an expensive gun you're "Saving to buy" when SHTF.

Nothing wrong with inexpensive, American made firearms. Best way to support the gun industry and your rights.

And the way it works here for a disaster is the family has the pricey ARs and 870s, the trained guests get the SKSs and first-class bolts, and anyone willing to bring resources or skills and work gets a functional bolt or single shot until better stuff becomes available.

Buy a few cheap guns. Support your country and your rights. Help out your neighbor after the world ends. That's the American way.

madmike
January 29, 2006, 11:41 PM
Hear Hear!
Everyone should get a set of Al-Mar stainless damascus!!!

And they should buy them from me;)

What kind of man spends less than $200 on a kitchen knife?;)

madmike
January 29, 2006, 11:52 PM
Some people seem to have this uncanny knack to finding $15 NEF shotguns and the like, but not me.

Free Stevens 94 12 gauge with a fresh parkerizing job at the last show:evil:

I've had folks quote me 1977 prices for guns as though they were equally valid in 2006, which is kind of annoying: "Ya didn't pay more than $45 for that 30-30 lever-gun, didja? Ya shouldn't pay a dime more than that, and use the dime ta buy a burger and sixpack on the way back home."

Lessee, old guy (seemed like a very nice guy, but out of the loop) wanted me to sell him a full-size, American made bowie in good steel with a horn handle for $25. He was shocked when I told him he'd be hard pressed to find a Pakistani one at that price. Said he used to see Western's at that price all the time. Admitted it had been a few years ago. I diplomatically asked if that had been about 1970? He admitted, yup, about when he left the Army. He suddenly realized how long it had been.

Then there's the clown around TFL who complains about dealers selling "$600 HKs" for "$2000" and "Laughing all the way home in their Cadillacs."

Well, I've almost never seen a show dealer in a Caddy--usually a beat up van like I have, which needs the diff fixed--and the last $600 HK I saw (all German, we're talking) was around 1983. This clown obviously doesn't understand the law of supply and demand.

Some people expect things to never change.

madmike
January 29, 2006, 11:59 PM
Me, for one!!!!! :what:

Fortunately, I came to me senses and buried the sucker!! :neener: :evil:

If you ever have ANY gun you don't want, I'll bury it for you. Let me know.

Rock
January 30, 2006, 06:45 PM
What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?

A tightwad.:D

Tropical Z
January 31, 2006, 01:51 AM
American Veteran really hit the nail on the head-Thanks!

gpimpman
January 31, 2006, 07:43 AM
Well i read a couple of the "reviews" from ya'll. I was at my first gun show when i came across a .45 APC hi-point. The guy who sold it to me said he has sold over 5,000 hi-points. Now i forgot to ask him how long he had been in the biz for(that would b a lil rude). It had a price of either 115 or 139 bux. I cant remember. I do say it is big and ugly, but thats what i was going for. See i work downtown cincinnati delivering pizzas in my spare time. I do have a real job but just for some extra money a friend talked me into workin downtown. Now I do have my CCW license. The general manager of the store says "dont let me know about it." The problem with carring my 357 hammerless snub nose ruger is a couple reasons. 1 its nice and shiny. 2 its got a hellatious sound when fired. 3 ive got less of a chance of killing someone with my 45 and 3 and probably the most important reason if i do shoot someone i dont want the police takin it, because they will take it untill court is over. So i do have other guns but it is the most economical to carry. altho i do have a backup on my ankle, just incase someone catches me off gaurd.(bend over and tie my shoe). needless to say when i started a lil over a year ago i thought to myself this is just as nice as delivering in the burbs. 2 months later the store got robbed(thank god i wasn't working that night) and 5 months after that i am a gun toating hippie.

Now i went to the range with my gun, of course the same day as purchased to see how accurate it was. Lets just put it this way i can tatter the center(9) ring out of a medium target within 25 shots. with any other gun i own other than a 9mm i cant even come close at 25 feet.

so i went to my 2nd gun show, and purchased a laser sight at 85 dollars after tax. so for less than 250 bux i have it all. now i know im not going to b shooting anybody far enuf away to use the laser. but the whole reason for getting it is, to let those people who do wrong things to stay the f away from me. i have been known to flash it on occasion. and then they walk the other direction. i think the "bad" people get the picture.

ohh and just the other day.... some KID walked up to my car and said why dont you watch where your driving you almost hit me. i of couse didnt say a word nor was i any where near the kid. but he then said he was going to shoot me. This is in the middle of broad daylight!!! i said excuse me what did you say. he replyed the same and went for something in his back pocket. now im just picturing 10 rounds stacked neatly in my 45 and seeing myself having to blow away some ????in stupid 9 year old punk brat with a gun with 60+ brothers standin on the oppisite street corner. and i thought to myself. well if i kill this kid chances are at least 1 out of ever 5 of them have guns and thats best case scenario. even if some of them go running. ive only got 10 shots. im ????ed one way or another. at least i probably could take shelter in the local hotel garfeild suites hotel. but the gay guy that was workin behind the counter would probably piss himself at the sight of a gun. i can just see the papers now. local shootout at the garfield suites hotel.
anyways, the moral to my story is becarefull and know your surroundings before you pull out your weapon. unless your very unaware of your surrounding buy lots of extra clips!!!!

Illuminaughty
January 31, 2006, 09:05 AM
You know... you could always buy an ak pistol and carry it concealed since it is technically a pistol, you CAN carry it concealed as long as your city has no statutes about magazine capacity. Carry about 4-8 ak clips somewhere in your car, and that gives you about 120-240 rounds. :)

I keep my SKS in my car since I DONT have a concealed carry liscense yet, with a good 150 rounds in the glove compartment on stripper clips, since I don't want to keep my 750+ dollar ak in the trunk of my car. I bet I'll upgrade to an ak in the trunk once I get one of my romanian kits built.

madmike
January 31, 2006, 11:28 AM
2 its got a hellatious sound when fired.

UM...have you ever FIRED a .45? Actually, ANY pistol in the city is going to sound like a pistol.


3 ive got less of a chance of killing someone with my 45

Er....that turns out not to be the case. A closed breech .45 has WAAAAY more muzzle energy than a .357 snub revolver. And dude, you WANT him dead, so he can't sue you. Your goal isn't to disable a perp and be a hero. Your goal is to stay alive and out of court.

and 3 and probably the most important reason if i do shoot someone i dont want the police takin it, because they will take it untill court is over.

The kind of department who'd take your weapon for a defensive shooting will do so regardless. And your weapon choice should be what works, not what you can afford to lose--that's a consideration, but a secondary one.

altho i do have a backup on my ankle, just incase someone catches me off gaurd.(bend over and tie my shoe).

"Oh, before you mug me, can I tie my shoe?" Sorry, but I don't expect that to work. Ayoob has advice on how to draw from an ankle rig. You should look it up. Though it's far from the best carry, and one of the WORST as far as printing/visibility goes. I suggest sticking with one gun that works, enough ammo for an engagement, and nothing else.


now i know im not going to b shooting anybody far enuf away to use the laser. but the whole reason for getting it is, to let those people who do wrong things to stay the f away from me. i have been known to flash it on occasion. and then they walk the other direction. i think the "bad" people get the picture.

Assuming they're smart enough and observant enough to see said dot and realize the threat and believe you'll carry through.

60+ brothers
the gay guy that was workin behind the counter would probably piss himself at the sight of a gun.


Wow. Nice view you have of your fellow human beings. Are some of your best friends Jewish?

anyways, the moral to my story is becarefull and know your surroundings before you pull out your weapon. unless your very unaware of your surrounding buy lots of extra clips!!!!

Thanks for those words of wisdom.

atblis
February 13, 2006, 09:52 PM
Is this the message board thread mentioned in the January article about illegal guns? They quote a message board thread titled "What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?".

JohnKSa
February 13, 2006, 11:12 PM
WARNING! BEFORE reading farther, please read the disclaimer at the end of the post.Is this the message board thread mentioned in the January article about illegal guns? They quote a message board thread titled "What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?".Yes.

Here's the article.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/051226ta_talk_collins

Here's the quote from the article.

" (In a voluminous online discussion of “What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?” one respondent compared the guns to “cheap pisswater beer.” "

And here's the post that it came from on page 2 of this thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=40737&postcount=32

And the quote from the post.People buy a lot of things that aren't up to snuff. Cheap pisswater beer, generic cigarettes, deathtrap cars, and so on.

It's an American right to buy a Hi Point.

madmike
February 13, 2006, 11:15 PM
Here's the quote from the article.

" (In a voluminous online discussion of “What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?” one respondent compared the guns to “cheap pisswater beer.” "


Wow. Some unnamed person with no stated credentials in an online forum expressed an opinion. Well, that just convinces me. We gotta ban the things!:rolleyes:

Mooseman
February 18, 2006, 09:52 PM
I bought a Hi-Point 45 today and just put my first box of ammo through it.
I own several guns and although this is not the gem of the collection I certainly feel I got my moneys worth. The 50 rounds of FMJ went through without a burp. I would not use this gun at a shooting competition although for self defense it would certainly be adequate. The gun fits my large right hand well but I would definitely handle this gun personally before buying it. The gun feels a bit front heavy especially compared to the revolvers I usually use. It's a bulky gun and concealed carry would be a challenge. The power is excellent for a gun of this price. I don't think the makarovs and tokarovs have the punch of the 45 but are easily more conceilable. The safety and magazine of the Hi-Point feel cheap but work well enough. The sights are surprisingly decent with a bright orange color. Also comes with a ghost ring which I'll probably never use. Trigger and action felt decently smooth although I'm no expert. Capacity is 9+1 which is a nice number of rounds to have available. The only really odd thing about this gun is the recoil. The recoil itself is mild but the gun kinda see-saws a bit. What I mean is that first the barrel lifts up on firing, which we're all used to, but then dips down as the heavy slide brings the next round forward. Feels kinda weird but didn't seem to affect my accuracy or firing speed adversely. That's my 2 cents worth, hope someone finds it helpful.

Skeptic
February 18, 2006, 10:02 PM
I will be buying a couple of Hi points... but first, I am going to get my XD9/XD.40/and XD.45. I see no reason why someone would or should not buy a Hi Point. 200.00 for a Hi Point.45 today at the gun show.

To each their own.

CajunBass
February 19, 2006, 09:13 AM
The sights are surprisingly decent with a bright orange color. Also comes with a ghost ring which I'll probably never use.

Hey Moose. Don't be so quick to discount that ghost ring. I put it on my Hi-Point 9mm, and I love it. My old eyes need all the help they can get. Give it a try. You might find you like it too.

I might install one on my XD9.

About that New Yorker article.
You mean to tell me, that in all this discussion, THAT was the only comment the author could find to quote?

rageofangels
February 19, 2006, 10:23 AM
What kind of man buys a Hi-Point?

One pressed for too hard pressed for money and too eager to wait to save up 50 more dollars for a nice used revolver. ;)

R.W.Dale
February 19, 2006, 11:54 AM
One pressed for too hard pressed for money and too eager to wait to save up 50 more dollars for a nice used revolver. ;)

I don't now how it is where you live, but here $170 will get you an off brand generic relvover that is looser than a Baltimore w***e. I'ed take a new firearm with a lifetime warranty over that any day.

gunner03
February 19, 2006, 12:34 PM
I've had a revolver for years, but wanted an auto I could shoot whenever I wanted just to see if I liked it.I bought a 9mm, and had fun with it. I now have a kel-tec and will soon pick up a 10mm witness. It was cheap test run for a man who dose not have much cash. Someday.........

MatthewVanitas
February 19, 2006, 01:49 PM
I will be buying a couple of Hi points... but first, I am going to get my XD9/XD.40/and XD.45. I see no reason why someone would or should not buy a Hi Point. 200.00 for a Hi Point.45 today at the gun show.

To each their own.

Maybe I should have picked one up at yesterday's show: a dealer had brand-new HP 9mm for $129, .45 for $139 at the SAXET show. I was trying to find the dealer that had NIB HP carbines for $139, but I haven't seen them since November. One table had a well-used HP carbine for $165 that sold in the first few hours of the show.

If I had an FFL, I'd have cases of HPs, RIA 1911s, and Yugo SKS stacked up behind my table at every show; there's always going to be buyers looking for a bargain. And all those items, incredibly affordable as they are, have gotten a lot of good press on THR. Have seen Yugos for $79 from AIM, and RIAs were $329 for .45 and $339 for .38 Super at this weekend's SAXET show.

If a manufacturer (especially a US-based manufacturer) can provide a crude but effective firearm for the working man, I have zero objections.


"What this country needs is a really good five-cent cigar."

--Thomas Riley Marshall (VP of the USA 1913-1921)

Mooseman
February 19, 2006, 02:13 PM
I woke up this morning and felt like putting my second box through the Hi-Point 45. Again no mechanical problems, accuracy much improved. I'm used to the odd recoil and barely noticed it. This gun is really growing on me. I'm going to keep my eye out for an inexpensive shoulder rig. I strongly doubt this would ever be a standard carry gun for me but as a bed side/ truck gun/ fun gun I definitely recommend it. At $190 total cost it's a lot of fun to shoot.

p.s. I had my small handed wife hold it to see if she had any problems with the grip. She didn't. Still a pretty heavy gun though.

poperb
February 19, 2006, 02:21 PM
everybody needs a little variety, be a true player, shoot everything it all kills!

Common Tater
February 19, 2006, 06:02 PM
What kind of man takes time to disparage the person who buys a Hi-Point?

What he said!

madmike
February 19, 2006, 06:09 PM
http://lonelymachines.org/mall_ninja.html

Apparently, mall tactical teams prefer Hi Point to HK:D

rageofangels
February 19, 2006, 10:23 PM
I'll sell you an import Titan Tiger .38 special for $170 bucks and you pay shipping to your FFL at cost, if you're willing. This is a tight revolver. If it is a bit lose, I'll give you your money back if you don't approve of it if you pay shipping back to me. Oh, and I'll be shipping it from Indiana, if you're interested. You've got to be patience in order to find a good deal. :D

I don't now how it is where you live, but here $170 will get you an off brand generic relvover that is looser than a Baltimore w***e. I'ed take a new firearm with a lifetime warranty over that any day.

madmike
February 19, 2006, 10:34 PM
MatthewVanitas:

I believe it was WC Fields who retorted:

"There are plenty of good five cent cigars in this country. The problem is they cost a quarter. What this country needs is a good five cent nickel."

Illuminaughty
February 20, 2006, 09:37 AM
I'll sell you an import Titan Tiger .38 special for $170 bucks and you pay shipping to your FFL at cost, if you're willing. This is a tight revolver. If it is a bit lose, I'll give you your money back if you don't approve of it if you pay shipping back to me. Oh, and I'll be shipping it from Indiana, if you're interested. You've got to be patience in order to find a good deal. :D

Too bad those will explode if loaded with hot 38 spl rounds, and HP's can use +P or +P+ rated ammo.

rageofangels
February 20, 2006, 12:19 PM
Too bad those will explode if loaded with hot 38 spl rounds, and HP's can use +P or +P+ rated ammo.

You are exaggerating way too much. They can use hot .38 special rounds, but probably not +P or +P+ without significantly damaging the shot life of the firearm. They will not explode if used with +P rated ammunition but their shot life will be decreased incredibly. The reason why HPs are rated as being able to use +P and +P+ rated ammo is because they will probably just hand you a new firearm after this is broken. Plus, revolvers have no problems with eating hollow-points. In addition, what Hi Point takes .38 special? :neener:

Illuminaughty
February 20, 2006, 01:25 PM
You are exaggerating way too much. They can use hot .38 special rounds, but probably not +P or +P+ without significantly damaging the shot life of the firearm. They will not explode if used with +P rated ammunition but their shot life will be decreased incredibly. The reason why HPs are rated as being able to use +P and +P+ rated ammo is because they will probably just hand you a new firearm after this is broken. Plus, revolvers have no problems with eating hollow-points. In addition, what Hi Point takes .38 special? :neener:

You get my idea. Those cheap titans are designed for hot loads, and a FEW competent people told me not even to try putting anything hot in them.

I was told by someone at the HP factory that hi points will shoot +P or +P+ just fine, but that shouldn't be what you use to practice with it.

Okay, fair enough. What titan takes +P+ .45?

old_ironsights
February 20, 2006, 05:05 PM
The basis for the question that begins this thread is either based in dispicable eliteism or abject ignorance.:fire:

Which one of these - eliteism or ignorance - influenced your question, DAL?

The denigration of any fellow citizen who choses to arm himself, exercising his rights under the 2nd Amendment, simply because of his choice of firearms has no place in a forum of gun owners.

madmike
February 20, 2006, 05:27 PM
Cruddy pic, but I don't have a Hi-Point to use for it. Anyone feel free to improve.

Whirlwind06
February 20, 2006, 05:46 PM
I have the Comp-9 pistol. Like many have said it goes bang when I pull the trigger. I have been thinking about buying the carbine, and I saw this a few days ago.
http://www.atigunstocks.com/product-hipoint.html
Makes the carbine look pretty sharp. Reminds me of the Bretta storm.

rageofangels
February 20, 2006, 07:05 PM
You get my idea. Those cheap titans are designed for hot loads, and a FEW competent people told me not even to try putting anything hot in them.

I was told by someone at the HP factory that hi points will shoot +P or +P+ just fine, but that shouldn't be what you use to practice with it.

Okay, fair enough. What titan takes +P+ .45?

I do get your idea. However, what Titan was made in the time when +p+ ammo was available? The question is nil because it is unanswerable. It's like asking what kind of Apple IIE has DVD-ROM burning capabilities? It doesn't, because technology, at the time, did not allow for it. Also, I did not know that Titans came in .45... I'll have to keep my eyes open.

The Hi-Point website says that they will take +P and +P+ loads, which would be impressive, if not for the fact that they probably wont last long like a Titan Tiger wouldn't last long. Will a Tiger take +P loads? Sure, but just like the HP, it would have to be sent back to the factory. The Tiger my father has is dated either in the late 1960s or early 1970s, if I am not mistaken.

Please do not misunderstand me... if that is all you can afford, that is fantastic that you (not you, but the general editoral YOU) took the initiative to purchase a fire arm to protect your loved ones, your home and yourself. I just have a hard time wondering why someone would chose it over something a little more expensive when the value of the slightly higher priced firearm seems to get you the proverbial bigger bang for your buck than what a Hi Point does.

Hi-Point seems to have a pretty strong fan base and their carbines seem to be a real deal at just over 150 dollars. However, their reputation as to why they have such a strong fan base is what rubs me the wrong way. A gun that has terrific customer service that accepts a gun for repairs, no questions asked, is terrific. However, no gun should have to be taken in for repairs to begin with. If you are buying a gun to trust your life with, it should earn that trust at not needing serviced. I know there are countless cases where other firearms have failed, but they do not seem proportionate to HP failings. I'd really like to know their percentage rate of sold firearms versus having those some firearms returned to their factory for servicing verses someone like Springfield for their XDs or Ruger for their SP101.

old_ironsights
February 20, 2006, 07:35 PM
http://www.mkssupply.com/images/995_Carbine.gif
http://www.atigunstocks.com/images/hipoint/HIP9000-MD.jpg

The little Hi-Point carbine cleans up nicely, doesn't it?

Illuminaughty
February 20, 2006, 08:03 PM
I do get your idea. However, what Titan was made in the time when +p+ ammo was available? The question is nil because it is unanswerable. It's like asking what kind of Apple IIE has DVD-ROM burning capabilities? It doesn't, because technology, at the time, did not allow for it. Also, I did not know that Titans came in .45... I'll have to keep my eyes open.

The Hi-Point website says that they will take +P and +P+ loads, which would be impressive, if not for the fact that they probably wont last long like a Titan Tiger wouldn't last long. Will a Tiger take +P loads? Sure, but just like the HP, it would have to be sent back to the factory. The Tiger my father has is dated either in the late 1960s or early 1970s, if I am not mistaken.

Please do not misunderstand me... if that is all you can afford, that is fantastic that you (not you, but the general editoral YOU) took the initiative to purchase a fire arm to protect your loved ones, your home and yourself. I just have a hard time wondering why someone would chose it over something a little more expensive when the value of the slightly higher priced firearm seems to get you the proverbial bigger bang for your buck than what a Hi Point does.

Hi-Point seems to have a pretty strong fan base and their carbines seem to be a real deal at just over 150 dollars. However, their reputation as to why they have such a strong fan base is what rubs me the wrong way. A gun that has terrific customer service that accepts a gun for repairs, no questions asked, is terrific. However, no gun should have to be taken in for repairs to begin with. If you are buying a gun to trust your life with, it should earn that trust at not needing serviced. I know there are countless cases where other firearms have failed, but they do not seem proportionate to HP failings. I'd really like to know their percentage rate of sold firearms versus having those some firearms returned to their factory for servicing verses someone like Springfield for their XDs or Ruger for their SP101.

The police departments I've heard of using hi points don't regularly send their pistols back to the factory, and I know for a fact they use +P ammo regularly at very least.

Mooseman
February 20, 2006, 10:48 PM
I didn't know that police carry them. Although I really like my Hi-Point that really surprises me. If I carried a gun as part of my employ I would definitely get something with more bells and whistles. BTW anyone know how HPs fair with being banged or dropped. In my vast experience of watching COPS on tv they seem to spend an inordinate amount of time jumping over fences and storming through narrow trailor doors. Just wondering how they fair with a good whack. :)

MatthewVanitas
February 20, 2006, 11:24 PM
Now that we've been seeing this thread for weeks running:

Whenever I see the title of this thread, I feel compelled to start singing to myself:

"What kind of kid eats Armour hot dogs?"


-MV

rageofangels
February 20, 2006, 11:47 PM
The police departments I've heard of using hi points don't regularly send their pistols back to the factory, and I know for a fact they use +P ammo regularly at very least.

Do you know what police department this is? I'd be very curious as to why they are carrying HPs are duty weapons.

Illuminaughty
February 21, 2006, 03:43 AM
I'd like to see a hi point torture test similar to the glock one, that's for sure.

I'm not sure what police department, its in the user comments of the hi point website (www.mkssupply.com). Maybe you could contact them an ask.

shecky
February 21, 2006, 04:06 AM
http://www.mkssupply.com/images/995_Carbine.gif
http://www.atigunstocks.com/images/hipoint/HIP9000-MD.jpg

The little Hi-Point carbine cleans up nicely, doesn't it?


How does that saying go? Lipstick on a pig... polishing a turd... ?
;)

rageofangels
February 21, 2006, 08:43 AM
http://www.mkssupply.com/images/995_Carbine.gif
http://www.atigunstocks.com/images/hipoint/HIP9000-MD.jpg

The little Hi-Point carbine cleans up nicely, doesn't it?

Except for the trigger, that looks nice. Very similiar to a Beretta Storm.

CajunBass
February 21, 2006, 01:25 PM
It's just a SWAG, but I would suspect if any police depts use Hi-Points it's the carbine and not the pistols, if for no other reason than not many police forces use a single action, cocked and locked pistol.

BillinNH
February 21, 2006, 04:42 PM
http://www.mkssupply.com/images/995_Carbine.gif
http://www.atigunstocks.com/images/hipoint/HIP9000-MD.jpg

The little Hi-Point carbine cleans up nicely, doesn't it?

Well, yeah, but somehow it loses its ugly duckling charm. :)

Bill

NewShooter
February 21, 2006, 06:58 PM
Its been said on this forum that its standard procedure for LEO to confiscate your gun in a shooting until they finish their investigation. Who knows how long it will be until your gun is returned or if it will be. Do you want your precious 1911 being knocked around in some evidence lockup? I think this makes a good argument for HiPoint for a HD gun. You can still have your high dollar guns for the range or for show. Besides, I dont think the compacts look that bad.:rolleyes:

madmike
February 21, 2006, 07:15 PM
Its been said on this forum that its standard procedure for LEO to confiscate your gun in a shooting until they finish their investigation. Who knows how long it will be until your gun is returned or if it will be. Do you want your precious 1911 being knocked around in some evidence lockup? I think this makes a good argument for HiPoint for a HD gun. You can still have your high dollar guns for the range or for show. Besides, I dont think the compacts look that bad.:rolleyes:


But I have several spare 1911s....:D

But yes, if it's cheap and works, go with it.

HotDiggity
May 8, 2006, 03:34 PM
If ANY law enforcement agency is issuing High-Point hand guns, I would be extremely surprised. I just don't think that's possible.

madmike
May 8, 2006, 04:33 PM
I have it on good authority that the elite tactical teams in our nation's largest malls carry Hi-Points.:D

http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

Big Gay Al
May 9, 2006, 02:22 AM
Gun Tests magazine just came out with a review of the Hi-Point C9 and the Bersa Thunder 9. The Hi-Point got 5 stars to the Bersa's 3. They state they "..liked the high-cap Bersa Thunder 9, but we couldn't fault the ugly but functional Hi-Point C9, which proved to e a double-tap marvel."

The same magazine also did a review of 3 .40 S&W carbines, the Hi-Point 4095, the Olympic Arms K40 and the Beretta Cx4 Storm. The Hi-Point carbine took 5 stars, the Olympic got 3 stars, and the Beretta got a big X, for "don't buy it."

IF I needed a good gun, but only had a little cash to spare, I'd definitely look at getting a Hi-Point.

gopguy
May 9, 2006, 10:30 AM
Well, a whole lotta people buy 'em. In the year 2000, they sold just under 50,000 of 'em

And Bill Clinton was president of the USA twice......just because a bunch of people do something does not mean it is a good idea....or wise. High Points and the Clintons in my view fall in the same category. We can do MUCH better!

madmike
May 9, 2006, 11:22 AM
A Hi-Point won't try to take my 2A rights away.

Utterly inaacurate comparison.

A cheap gun is better than no gun. Field tests seem to indicate it's reliable. I won't scorn anyone for owning one or a dozen.

You can always loan it to your panicky, anti-gun neighbor when he realizes news isn't something that happens to someone else and the police can't personally protect him against a threat or disaster.

Daniel T
May 9, 2006, 05:58 PM
We can do MUCH better!

Who is "we"? Are you gonna pay to upgrade someone else's gun? How about "we" stop worrying so much about what someone else has.

LoneCoon
May 10, 2006, 02:28 AM
I'd buy a Hi-Point becuase they're made in my home town of Dayton. I'd buy one because they're a solution to the problem of how to defend yourself on a shoestring budget. I'd buy one because I like the way they look and feel, even if they are a bit heavy.

But I haven't bought one beause I bought the Makarov I was looking for instead. :)

madmike
May 10, 2006, 02:54 AM
I'd buy them to tick off antis. Especially if they sound off about them being "Saturday night specials" or some such.

As trade goods or loaners for SHTF.

general_pattons_ghost
May 17, 2006, 05:33 PM
The relative cost of a man's weapon has NOTHING to do with his ability to use it effectively.
Cheap or expensive means more than just the type of plastic you got in your wallet.
I'd be willing to bet that the majority of you EDITED who are plunking down high bucks for your toys and totin' 'em around to 'show off' are a sorry bunch of EDITED.
An expensive gun is about as worthless as EDITED on a bull if you don't know how to shoot ...or don't know how to shoot--- UNDER PRESSURE.

madmike
May 17, 2006, 05:38 PM
Well said, Ghost. Welcome to the board.

A man with a cheap gun who knows how to use it is a better survivor than a man with a $10,000 Class III he fumbles when it hits the fan.

CajunBass
May 17, 2006, 06:01 PM
I'd be willing to bet that the majority of you maggots who are plunking down high bucks for your toys and totin' 'em around to 'show off' are a sorry bunch of numb-nuts.

And does name calling make your position any more valid?

Stephen A. Camp
May 17, 2006, 06:10 PM
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