"Super" Calibers too much for standard SA Gripframe?


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Redlg155
January 5, 2003, 03:22 PM
My question isn't whether the revolver can take the pressure, but rather is it too much to shoot for the design of the grip?

I prefer a bisley grip frame on my SA revolvers. As I understand it traditional SA grip frames are designed to roll slightly in your hand to allow you to reach the hammer for the next shot.

If I'm not mistaken I believe even Freedom Arms either has a Bisley type or modified grip in order to handle the recoil in its heavy recoiling single actions.

Anyone ever shot a .454 in a standard frame single action?

Good Shooting
RED

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Fiveshooter
January 5, 2003, 03:50 PM
I have shot some pretty heavy .45 Colt Loads with the standard Blackhawk grip. I also have the same gun with a Bisley grip and it is much easier for me to control.
I also have and shoot several Freedom Arms revolvers and must admit that I find the Ruger Bisley grip even more controlable than the FA grip.
Of course this is only my oppinion and your mileage may vary.

Best Regards,
Billy:)

P95Carry
January 5, 2003, 03:54 PM
Having largish hands I find the small Ruger type grips just too ''skinny'' .... they do tho of course allow for a nice ''pivotting'' at recoil.

On my .44 mag Super Blackhawk I have fitted some much larger grips that fill the hand but find that thru method of grip, there can still be some ''pivotting'' at recoil. Not of course shooting at .454 level but pretty hot loads. i think I would apply same principle to larger cals tho anyways.

Main concern to me is web of hand ... that is where ''damage'' seems to occur with bad grips!

Jim March
January 5, 2003, 11:03 PM
In the Ruger SAs, when you get into the very hottest 45LC+P or high-end 44Mags, or any "supercaliber" out past those, you want the Ruger Bisley grip frame. At least for most people's hands.

What Ruger calls a "Bisley" is no such thing...the original Colt Bisley SAA pattern was very different. Ruger instead copied a custom SAA designed by Elmer Keith, the "#5" gun. Keith started with a Bisley, but altered the hell out of it :). It was an inspired choice on Ruger's part, and has proven to be the king of the big-recoil grips.

If you're not doing monster loads, and are more interested in speed and/or personal defense, the more SAA-ish grip is better for most folk. Fortunately you can switch back and forth at modest cost, all the "New Models" are swappable.

Redlg155
January 5, 2003, 11:17 PM
I'm wanting to buy a Ruger .44 Magnum Bisley model, so hopefully I'll see something at the next gunshow that is affordable.

I've always wanted one since my father let me shoot his "Virginia Dragoon" model SA .44 Magnum many years ago when we lived in Alaska. He got rid of it not long afterwards in favor of a nickel plated SW 629, but somehow I always missed that single action.

Had a breif affair with a .22 Cal Bisley, but never got the .44 I always wanted.

I guess now is the time.

Good Shooting
RED

Porter Rockwell
January 9, 2003, 01:46 AM
Thank you for pointing out the obvious differences between a Bisley Colt and the errr, shouldn't someone come up with another name like maybe the Ruger Magnum Gripframe or??
Having been in the habit of taking both custom Ruger Linebaughs and Colt Bisleys to the range the new shooters invariably always mention something about that Bisley ain't the same as that Bisley and howcom?
The only real similiarity is the covered upper grip screws.

Jim March
January 10, 2003, 02:53 AM
Ol' Elmer started with a real Bisley grip frame and tweaked the heck out of it.

Bowen makes a reproduction of the #5 out of top-quality SAA clone bits:

http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/images/hphphp0a.jpg

http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/gallery11.html

The resemblance to the Ruger Bisley is obvious.

Porter Rockwell
January 10, 2003, 03:41 AM
That had to be an expensive project, my Bowen book is out on loan and can't recall, is the base gun pictured a Colt or Ruger?
About ten years back (??) when Taffins book came out I ordered the italian clone parts (Bisley backstrap & SA trigger guard) to attempt the conversion on a clone but never got around to it.
Perhaps like ole Elmer I just like the Smith N frames better? As I recall, once he got the 44Mag Ole Elmer pretty much retired the single actions.
When the .500 Magnums arrive on the market methinks there may be some bargains had on all those five shooters out there (Casulls/Linebaughs etc)??

Jim March
January 10, 2003, 10:13 PM
Porter: go to the Bowen link I posted. They built it outta some sort of SAA clone.

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