Attn. Spark and other knife knuts


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Soap
January 6, 2003, 01:30 PM
I read in another thread where Spark said that he could pull out his Emerson and strike in less than one second. Well, my knife confidence went into the dirt when I read that.

So what is the technique to use to get the knife unclipped from your pocket and deployed so quickly? When you grab your knife do you immediately put your finger on the stud/Axis button/etc.?

Any help is appreciated.

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mtnbkr
January 6, 2003, 01:56 PM
If it's an Emerson, it's probably "waved". The Wave (on an Emerson) is a cutout on the spine of the blade that catches on the edge of your pocket as you pull it out (pull up and back). It opens the blade as it comes out of your pocket. It truly is faster than a switchblade. The locking mech is just a standard linerlock.

Here's a pic from 1sks.com. The "Wave" is the protrusion behind the thumbdisk:

http://www.1sks.com/images/emerson/em-commander.jpg


Chris

Gray_Fallen
January 6, 2003, 03:12 PM
My knife is a "Waved" Emerson. And thats how I draw it when I want it fast, just pull it out, and let the Wave open it.
It is, as was said, faster than switchblade, because a switch has to be pulled from the pocket, then the button depressed, to open it. A Waved Emerson, like the Commander shown (or like the one I carry) opens as it is drawn from the pocket.
Some folks will tell you its not reliable, and they can only make it work some of the time. Their technique is bas, or they havent done it enough to learn exactly how to do it. I carry mine at the very back of my front pocket, and when I draw it, pull back just a little, so the Wave catches right at the back of my pocket, and I have just about 100% reliability. If it doesnt open completely, a simple wrist flick snaps the blade on open.

Lovely device... and lovely knives. :)

Byron Quick
January 13, 2003, 09:38 AM
1-analyze the motions necessary.
2-seek to delete unnecessary movement.
3-repetetive practice focusing on developing smoothness.
4-after smoothness is achieved begin to gradually increase the speed used while not allowing degradation of smoothness.

My father could get a regular pocket knife from the bottom of his front pocket and open it one handed and strike in that same time frame. You literally only saw a blur.

krept
January 14, 2003, 12:01 PM
Anybody heard anything about people using an ultra shortened ziptie (basically the lock part) on a Spyderco hole and acheiving similar results as the wave action?

Spark
January 14, 2003, 11:43 PM
The Ziptie trick does work, but since it's not purpose designed you can't count on it to work 100%

That being said, you know the quote - "If it looks stupid, and works, it's not stupid".

The Wave works. The Waved Emersons are the fastest knives on the market.

Some people will try to machine their Spyderco's by cutting the thumbhole down, making it into a huge wave device. Personally I think that's a bit extreme, but see the quote above.

Kevin

Tamara
January 15, 2003, 12:49 AM
I can't speak highly enough of my Commander. The Wave will leave you completely spoiled. All the different knives I try in my right pocket, none of them last for more than a day or three before I go back to the Emerson; you don't realize how used to that zip-pow! lightning-fast one-handed deployment you are until you go back to something else.

Madmardig0n
January 15, 2003, 12:56 AM
I totally agree. My other knives feel cumbersome in comparison to my waved Emerson Commander.

I've never heard of that zip tie trick for the Spyderco. Machining the hole might be interesting :)

Soap
January 15, 2003, 10:27 AM
Hmm...looks like the Commander is on the top of my knife to-buy list.

Tamara
January 15, 2003, 10:40 AM
I'll say this, though: Over time it will flat tear up a pair of trousers... :eek:

Navy joe
January 15, 2003, 11:55 AM
Being a lefty my Buck Strider clears pocket in a reverse grip, a little move in there and the blade is open as it comes up, very fast, almost as trick as the wave. The knife is in my hands all the time though, familiarity builds speed.

deputy tom
January 15, 2003, 01:22 PM
I'll say this, though: Over time it will flat tear up a pair of trousers... end quote

I can attest to the above statement.I removed the stitching on a pocket within 6 waves and these were brand new Wrangler jeans!

Spark owns a knife shop and a knife oriented forum and can own ANY knive He wants.When He recommends a Waved Commander,people should listen.tom.

Al Thompson
January 15, 2003, 03:44 PM
How does the knife rest in the pocket? Blade tip up and to the rear? I'm thinking that when the knife is drawn. the "button" on top of the blade catches the pocket lip and snaps the blade open?

I may have to play with my Spiderco for a while this afternoon..

krept
January 15, 2003, 05:43 PM
Hey Al, this might help...

http://emersonknives.com/UsingWaveFeature.html

I heard that the Wave feature does indeed tear up trousers... heck, even a pocket clip will chew em up if you practice, practice practice.

cheers

Ol' Badger
January 15, 2003, 08:25 PM
I don't buy it either. Maybe if he said 3 to 5 seconds! But 1 sec., I mean WOW man your your own Ninja master there!

Spark
January 15, 2003, 10:18 PM
It's true. In jeans I can open the knife in a reverse grip and strike to the guts/ chest / neck / face in less than a second. It's truly scary when you take a cutting target and open a 2' hole into it and realize what it would do to something that is capable of ambulatory motion.

Opening in a forward grip is slightly slower because of the backwards motion.

Mechanically speaking a fixed blade is faster and more reliable than any folder. Practically speaking, a folder is less trouble.

Kevin

Tamara
January 16, 2003, 12:12 AM
Most people don't believe waved Emersons even when they see the knife in action. They think you've mastered some esoteric kata of knife-fu, and don't realize that the blade opens itself for you...

mercop
January 16, 2003, 01:41 PM
I carry my Commander weakside in case the need arises for weapon retention duty. I also feel this using the reverse grip is the fastest to strike and hardest to block because you are going only in one motion during the draw. From the strong side you have to draw back before shooting it forward. The Wave feature is very CDI (chicks dig it) and it scares the hell out of people.

Gray_Fallen
January 16, 2003, 10:41 PM
I've put "Waves" on my Spyderco Endura's and Delica's using the following method:
I took my hacksaw with the carbide blade (the kind thats like the thick wire, with carbide coating),and used it to make the initial cut for the Wave.
Then I used my dremel to lower and smooth the area infront of the cut, leading into the cut, so the lip of the pocket was guided in smoothly, to reduce the possibility of a partial, or zero, opening.
Then I used sand-paper to smooth it all up.

ROSANGHAL
January 17, 2003, 02:53 PM
I don't buy it either. Maybe if he said 3 to 5 seconds! But 1 sec., I mean WOW man your your own Ninja master there!


You ought to give it a try before you pass judgement. Seeing is believeing. But doing it with your own hands is absolutely jaw dropping.

I love my Commander in the right pocket and have the Emerson Karambit, another Waved model set up for reverse grip draw in the left hand.

Ross T.

ROSANGHAL
January 17, 2003, 02:58 PM
Oooops forgot to add a pic of the Karambit.

Enjoy,
Ross T.

ROSANGHAL
January 17, 2003, 02:59 PM
Another angle.

Ross T.

Dan Shapiro
January 17, 2003, 05:03 PM
I don't buy it either. Maybe if he said 3 to 5 seconds!

http://emersonknives.com/videos/CommanderOpen.MPG

:what:

Dan Shapiro
January 17, 2003, 05:05 PM
BTW Are there any good online knife dealers? Any good prices?
The Commander is looking pretty sweet!

krept
January 17, 2003, 05:35 PM
Nice karambit. I'm going to get one when the price drops.

OF
January 17, 2003, 06:01 PM
3 to 5 seconds? Man, I can get my stock Spyderco Calypso Jr. out and into a target in less than 2 and I'm a klutz with no wave. :)

Do it enough, and it becomes habit.

- Gabe

PS Edit: I just got my stopwatch out and it turns out I can get the thing out (rt. hand pocket), open and thrust forward or slashed at ~neck height (nothing here at the desk that's appropriate to stab at right now) in ~1 second without too much trouble at all if I'm starting the watch w/ my other hand, and ~1.6 if my wife runs the watch and says 'GO!' :).

mercop
January 17, 2003, 07:17 PM
I would put the Commander at sub one second from pocket to target starting from the weekside with hand on knife.

Ol' Badger
January 17, 2003, 08:39 PM
OK!

:what: Played it again. Backward and forward and :what:

I'm man enuff to say I wrong. Ever drop it or cut your self?

OF
January 17, 2003, 09:31 PM
Ever drop it or cut your self?Well...of course! :)

- Gabe

PS: If you're not bleedin', you ain't tryin' hard enough.

mercop
January 18, 2003, 08:11 AM
I am afraid to say it but...not yet. I put skateboard tape on one side to lessen the chance.

Soap
January 18, 2003, 02:11 PM
I tried out a Commander today. Wow! That Wave feature is awesome. Looks like its on the top of my to-buy knife list.

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