Walther TPH (American)... Anyone?


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9x19
January 6, 2003, 08:02 PM
I found one of these languishing in a local shop this morning... Stainless Interarms model, slightly used, with box, papers and one magazine.

Anyone have any experience with these? The price was right, so I could always go back in the morning. :D

Thanks in advance...

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dfariswheel
January 6, 2003, 08:18 PM
Most of the people I dealt with who owned one were well satisfied.
They do seem to be sensitive to ammo, so you would need to shoot a wide variety of brands and types to find out what it "likes".

Quality on the few I worked on was very good.

Al Thompson
January 6, 2003, 09:50 PM
I've known one happy customer and several un-happy ones. Seems like when they work, they work well, when they don't, they really don't.

Feel free to update me, but I'm under the impression that there is no service available for the TPH if it's a dud.

Mr Jody Hudson
January 6, 2003, 10:09 PM
I have had about a dozen in blue and stainless over the last many years that they have been available here.

They like Stingers, QuikShoks, Velocitors, etc. The most powerful and fastest .22s are usually the best. When you find the one it likes, usually Stinger, it can be incredibly accurate.

They do tend to need some smithing, sometimes more than once, to become totally reliable. Each one tends to like a different ammo for reliability as well.

However, with practice you can plan on out shooting most Ruger pistols as far as accuracy!

There were for years a sort of badge of deep cover operatives of the 007 type and many of them still keep one on them at all times.

Most problems with them come from trying to use standard velocity ammo instead of high velocity or hyper velocity. My son still has two that prefer Stingers and I still have one that prefers QuikShoks first and Stingers second.

Fiveshooter
January 6, 2003, 10:37 PM
:D If the little TPH is held a little too high it can bite the hand. I have a couple of friends that have this problem.
I have had no problems with mine but if you need parts they are hard to come by. A couple of years ago I got a couple of extra recoil springs and grip screws from Walther USA. I have not tried to order any other parts since but hear they are hard to get.
The TPH has a high retail price but not too good on the resale so not too hard to find a good deal on a used one.
The TPH I have seems to be reliable with most ammo I have tried in it.

Best Regards,
Billy

JiminCA
January 7, 2003, 12:18 AM
Have a stainless US model. Had a broken internal part within the first 300 rounds, and it went back to interarms from my dealer and was fixed in about 6 weeks. Since then no trouble.

I have also discovered that it does like the hot rounds, as noted above. Also, you need to use a thin lube as thick stuff can cause malfs. Nothing heavier than BreakFree CLP, and don't glop it on. I use FP10 with success, also BreakFree's LP product.

9x19
January 7, 2003, 01:10 PM
Thanks folks... will go by tomorrow and see if it's still there...

K'c', your brother in law has rather odd taste in ammo. :neener:

Wildalaska
January 7, 2003, 01:52 PM
Beware..if it breaks its unfixable...there is no service for those pistols and parts are rarer that hens teeth

Zip06
January 7, 2003, 02:34 PM
Mine is a stainless American model. After two trips back to Interarms it runs real nice. It is the most concealable firearm I have. It is plenty accurate, the sights actually work and as mentioned before its ammo sensitive. I am glad I bought it.

Bottom Gun
January 7, 2003, 03:19 PM
My stainless has always done well with everything except Federal ammo.
I've had it about 11 years. I like it.

Al Thompson
January 7, 2003, 07:12 PM
Sadly, interarms is no longer with us.

Zip06
January 7, 2003, 07:16 PM
My understanding is that Smith & Wesson now does all the warrantee work on Walther products. So if you break your TPH they will fix it. Anyone know if they are going to start making the TPH again?

Wildalaska
January 7, 2003, 07:29 PM
S&W does not warranty the Interarms guns and does not service them, nor does Earls...

Zip06
January 7, 2003, 07:48 PM
Wildalaska - That is very bad news. I knew that Earl's was only concerned with German manufactued Walthers but did not know that when Interarms went belly up they left us holding the bag.

Pocket Pistol
June 19, 2003, 01:34 AM
Well S&W does not handle them any more.
WHere can you get parts like springs and such.

Tamara
June 19, 2003, 06:33 AM
I know more than one 'smith who swears that TPH stands for "Toilet Paper Handgun", a reference to the, um, less-than-stellar durability of the Interarms ones.

They sho' 'nuff are cute, though. I'd get one for plinking/collecting if I found a great deal, simply for the novelty factor. No way would I ever trust it as a gun, though; I've seen too many bad ones. :uhoh:

Mr Jody Hudson
June 19, 2003, 09:05 AM
I have used Roger Perry and he's done a fine job. He has an FFL and does a fastidious job of everything he does. I have no idea how he found the parts but he did.

You can reach him 302-856-9809

9x19
June 19, 2003, 07:51 PM
I now have about 700 rounds thru the used one I bought (see above) and it has been flawless so far.

Good little gun, Tam's' statements make it that much more special, since I have one of the good ones... :D

Tamara
June 19, 2003, 11:37 PM
A pearl of great price is a thing to be proud of! ;)

Pocket Pistol
June 20, 2003, 02:05 AM
Mr Jody Hudson -
Hey thanks, forgot I ask here and forgot to check back :banghead:

Does Roger Perry have a www site ?
Any more info, I have not heard of him yet.

I did find one last week at a good price.
it is an early one T0021xx stainless.
has a small problem with the release piece or trigger bar and someone played with cleaning up dry fire marks on the barrel.

I think it is an easy fix if I can get parts.

All the other parts I have heard problems with are great so once I get the bugs worked out I think it will be great.

firestar
June 20, 2003, 02:57 AM
However, with practice you can plan on out shooting most Ruger pistols as far as accuracy!

Come on now! Let's not go overboard! I wouldn't be surprised if it was pretty accurate but I REALLY doubt that one will shoot as good as a Ruger MKII or 22/45.

My Bersa 23 will shoot really tight groups but not quite what a average off the shelf Ruger will do and the Bersa is a loose copy of the Walther.

Mr Jody Hudson
June 20, 2003, 07:08 AM
I am not aware of a web site by Roger.

CW4 Roger Perry, is the top person I think(acting commanding officer?) of our local National Guard training facility, a rather large facility, and has been quite acitive in some "special projects" for the White House recently. He has held the position for many years and is a well regarded member of the military and civilian community.

I have had several guns fixed or upgraded by him over the years and he is the gunsmith of choice for several of the local gun shops in this area. Once he retires, he will be a full time gunsmith, but he does get the job done in a timely manner and he IS somehow capable of finding the unfindable in parts! At least he has been for me.

Give him a call. He is good. He is not a national figure, just a good and professional gunsmith.

And, if the shooter is capable of accuracy, the TPH is quite capable of out shooting most, far larger, .22 pistols. It HAS outshot all of the recently purchased (and sold) Ruger pistols I've had. Older Ruger pistols are another thing entirely. That is my experience. Your experience may differ of course.

The TPH does, however, require highest velocity ammo to work best.

Pocket Pistol
June 20, 2003, 09:01 AM
Thanks jody -
I will give him a call :)

Pocket Pistol
July 3, 2003, 08:09 PM
Mr Jody Hudson -
Got hold of Roger and sounds like a great guy.
Sent mine off yesterday.
He said he just finished one of yours. How is it ?

I will let you know how mine does in 2-3 weeks, CAN'T WAIT :)

Mr Jody Hudson
July 5, 2003, 10:13 AM
I have been too busy to fire mine. However, when he showed me and told me what he had done... I KNOW it is fixed. I wish I still had MORE TPHs to get done by him.

The TPH is "potentially" one of the finest .22 pistols around, including those three times it's size. However that pontential is USUALLY not true in FACT until the little pistol has been worked on. The things Roger does to get them to work, the way they should have worked in the first place, puts them at the very top of the list. Once fixed, these little pistols are Target Quality -- if we do our part!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to shoot it again.

If you ever have failures to fire ANY ammo with yours, ask Roger if he needs to do, to yours, what he did to mine, in order to make it hit the cartridge harder with the fireing pin.

:D

Pocket Pistol
July 5, 2003, 10:50 AM
Yes I told him I was getting light hits.
More with some ammo then others.
I would ,ike to have a couple more also.
Perhaps a German one and one fitted with a silencer.
Even considering a 25 also.

Mr Jody Hudson
July 5, 2003, 12:08 PM
I had no better functioning with my German TPH and sold it. For collecting, the German .22s and .25s are fine. However, for shooting I'd stick to only the American ones and then have Roger get them working. I'd personally be hesitant to have a German one modified, to make it work, as that would probably decrease it's collectable value.

In addition, not only is the .22 a better round, in it's modern possibilities, than the .25 -- but the .22 is far, far, cheaper to shoot. I've probably said this before, but the TPH seems to like ONLY high velocity and super-high-velocity rounds in .22.

Roger tested my current TPH with all the most powerful kinds of ammo that I had, and it worked flawlessly for him. There were numerous kinds that I took him to test. He should still have plenty of each kind to test yours with.

Pocket Pistol
July 5, 2003, 04:08 PM
I thought it would just be nice to have one of the German ones.
Like you said I would be hesistant to work on one.
As for the 25 you are correct, but it would be neet to have a set :)
I actually had good luck with Winchester Super-x and Remington bulk pack.
SO far if they are rated at 1000fps + I have not had a function problem.
Main problem is light hits and the right grip is bad.
I need to either find an origional set or get a wooden set, but having trouble finding much selection.

I can not wait to get it back and try it out.
So far it has been very accurate and easy to shoot with POI and POA VERY close.
I love a pocket gun that you do not have to aim to get within a couple inches of what you are wanting to hit and so far the TPH is it :)

I had a P-32 and sold it because of problems, If the TPH works as good as you say when I get it back it will beet the P-32 HANDS DOWN.

HLG
July 5, 2003, 04:09 PM
I don't know about other parts, but I got an extra magazine for my TPH from Smith & Wesson.

Pocket Pistol
July 5, 2003, 06:49 PM
Was unaware that S&W had anything for them.
When I talked to S&W they pertty much told me I was SOL
TS&W said Earls was supposed to handle the american TPH's and Earl said S&W were supposed to.
I tend to agree with Earl as S&W bought Walther America they just refuse to support their product.
They want to sell the new PPK and S&W they have no intrest in Interarms.
Before I found aut about Roger I tried to talk Earl into looking at my TPH.
He was definately a loud and resounding NO.
Kept claiming some sort of liability problem and lawsuit.
Sounds like BS to me

Zip06
July 5, 2003, 07:20 PM
How do you guys carry your TPH's? What kind of holsters? I carry mine in a homemade one that I am sure can be improved upon.

After three trips back to Interarms several years ago, mine is a jewel. I second the comments on hot .22 ammo. Mine likes Stingers. Simply the perfect mouse gun.

Pocket Pistol
July 5, 2003, 07:23 PM
I carry (or will) in a Ron Graham Rear Pocket.
http://www.grahamholsters.com/
Great stuff, Great service, Best Prices.

9x19
July 6, 2003, 11:11 AM
I don't use mine as a carry piece, as its strictly a fun gun... plus I bought it used so I have no idea if its ever been "serviced" by Interarms... but it has proven to be reliable thru 800 rounds (all high velocity-who said you have to do fireworks on the 4th?), and that's good enough for me.

Pocket Pistol
July 6, 2003, 11:27 AM
I have a G380 as mu main carry but the TPH will be nice when it is HOT if wearing something more formal then jeans due to the thickness of it.

9x19
July 6, 2003, 02:11 PM
I carry one of my Kel-Tec P32s when wearing shorts and a T-shirt (most days) during these hot Texas summers... slimmer, lighter, every bit as reliable, and a bit more powerful than the TPH. FWIW

Mr Jody Hudson
July 7, 2003, 06:51 PM
Just a note, if you plan to pocket carry in the summer time. The .22 ammo is the MOST susceptible ammo, doesn't seem to matter which kind, to perspiration and moisture. In a matter of weeks and sometimes days, your body moisture will MOST LIKELY cause some or most of the cartridges to FAIL TO FIRE. Change frequently.

Another note: my TPH, just back from Roger, is now firing almost all the time. I appreciate his conservative approach and will take it back to him to make it HIT a little harder with the firing pin, although it went from failure to ignite about 20% of the time to only twice in 100 rounds.

ALSO... I tried some of the 60 grain subsonics in it and they were wonderfully accurate and fed well for the 20 rounds I shot. In fact, they were the most accurate (several in same hole) of any rounds ever shot. INTERESTING...

It likes Terminators, Stingers and QuikShoks very well, in that order, as well.

For some reason, the groups tightened even more?????? since Roger worked on it.

Pocket Pistol
July 7, 2003, 08:33 PM
Nice to know.
With 22 being as cheep as it is I will most likely change ammo VERY often.
Do the Sub Sonics cycle the slide ??
What brand are they ??

Also who makes terminators, I have not run across then yet.

HLG
July 8, 2003, 02:04 PM
My TPH must be one of the last ones sold in the US. Although it is stamped "Made in USA INTERARMS", It came in a blue plastic S&W-like box with a white circle in the middle labelled "WALTHER". The labels on the end of the box look like S&W labels and is marked "Walther USA". Inside along with the manual was a orange piece of paper which read, "As of August 1999, all warranty repair will be conducted at the following location: Walther USA, 2100 Roosevelt Avenue, Springfield, MA 01104' Tel: (800) 372-6454. I hope that this info helps those of you looking for who does warranty work on the TPH.
Herb

Pocket Pistol
July 8, 2003, 02:10 PM
HLG -
Thanks
That is S&W's address and phone.
I finaly talked to some one at S&W that said send it in but not sure if we can do anything.

So I sent it to Roger Perry on the tip from Mr Jody Hudson .

Zip06
July 8, 2003, 02:47 PM
Pocket Pistol - How about a post/eval when it comes back from Roger. Its hard to find a decent smith who knows the TPH.

Pocket Pistol
July 8, 2003, 04:04 PM
No Problem :)
Was planning on that :)

But for now check with Mr Jody Hudson,
He seems to have had very good luck with him.

Mr Jody Hudson
July 8, 2003, 07:40 PM
Roger has done more than a dozen different pistols for me, over the last couple of years. He is very conservative in his approach, so I will be taking my TPH back to him for removal of another thousandth of an inch or so from the area that stops the hammer as it strikes the firing pin -- so that the pin hits a little harder. He took some off and it made it FAR better but not perfect.

The Terminators are fast HPs and they are available at Walmart. The subsonic 60 grain lead are from Aguilla, a mexican company that makes a LOT of military ammo on contract and some very good ammo for the rest of us; when you can find it.

Pocket Pistol
July 8, 2003, 07:48 PM
I have heard of Agulia SSS.
Do they cycle the slide ??
I have used the Super Maximum's.

Never heard of Terminators.
You say walmart selld them ?
Who makes them.
All I have seen at Walmart are Winchester, Federal, Remingtion an CCI

Mr Jody Hudson
July 9, 2003, 09:15 AM
Yes the SSS do cycle reliably and shoot VERY accurately.

I'll have to read the box on the Terminators. I hope I have the name right...

Pocket Pistol
July 9, 2003, 09:20 AM
Thanks I will pick up a box of the SSS this weekend, anong others.
Need to get alot of test ammo for when I get my toy back :)


Ok.
Another stupid question.
I have not had a 22 auto before, My experiance is with centerfire autos.
So how do you keep from hitting the chamber with the firing pin ??
Besides counting, which I do some of but loose count some times.
Will some pin strikes on the chamber mess it up ??

Do you just have to plan on replacing the barrel sometime, or what.

Mr Jody Hudson
July 10, 2003, 01:38 PM
MOST people, get so they count accurately. I don't always do so well on that. The last shot, against the chamber side is not usually a problem. Don't know about that on the TPH. You will need someone that REALLY knows about this little gun for that. Ask Roger. I'll do the same when I see him next, if you don't beat me to it.

Or, there may be someone here on THR that can answer that.:what:

Pocket Pistol
July 10, 2003, 08:22 PM
Another question.
Why are the blue US Interarms more expensive then the stainless ones ??
Are they any better or have any better parts then the stainless ones ??

From what I can fint the prices seem to be lowest to highest
Roughly speaking.

Newer Interarms Stainless 350 - 400
Older Interarms Stainless 400 - 450
Blue Interarms 500
Blue German Interarms 600
Blue German Steel 700
Blue German alloy 800

Mr Jody Hudson
July 11, 2003, 01:14 PM
All that I know is my own experience.

Older Stainless, less reliable, but after fixing a few times, VERY accurate.

Newer Stainless, tend to break magazine release as it seems to be made from an inferior casting metal. I wonder if Smith and Wesson had the magazine releases made from some sort of junk metal as there was not this problem with the stainless TPH bought from Interarms.

Blue, Interarms American, far fewer of them were made. Generally a little more reliable than the stainless, but still NOT perfect until worked on a time or four.

German alloy, very rare in this country, very much sought after by international undercover agents.

Other German TPHs, very rare in this country as there were few sold here, due to the very high cost, before 1964 gun laws and then none were sold here, except to various federal secret police types after '64 gun laws went into effect. Thus, VERY rare here. I think there is also a very rare German stainless... not certain however.

My favorite are the American TPHs as they seem to be more well made as far as quality of metals used. The fit and finish on the German blued steel is flawless, of course. However, the fit and finish on the Interarms is very nearly as good or equal to the German.

All in all, the difference in prices seems to be based on scarity alone. Smith and Wesson DUMPED hundreds (if not thousands) of TPHs on the market at dealer cost of $300 or less, in the first few weeks after they bought the remains of Interarms stock and parts.

Pocket Pistol
July 11, 2003, 01:38 PM
Thanks
Very informative :)

Zip06
July 11, 2003, 03:14 PM
Jody - I generally agree with your comments with one exception. My TPH is a 1994 model, made by Interarms in Alabama. The mag release broke on it. That was one of the two trips back to Interarms for the TPH. You are right on with the comment on accuracy. I have never had a pistol that I can shoot as fast and accurately as the TPH.

Mr Jody Hudson
July 11, 2003, 03:27 PM
Very interesting Zip...

I had 4 of those early Alabama stainless ones and each was fixed many times. However, it was only the 3 I got from S&W that had mag releases fall off! All three of them did!

Sounds like, perhaps, S&W got all the bad mag releases from Interarms, along with partially made pistols, or perhaps S&W just got a lot of boxes of parts (perhaps parts that Interarms was not planning to use, in some cases).

They are fine pistols when they work! :banghead:

Pocket Pistol
July 11, 2003, 05:36 PM
The speed and accuracy is one reason I love it.
Does not realy need sights as POI and POA are VERY close :)

Like I say if you are faster and better caliber does not matter :)

Pocket Pistol
July 11, 2003, 11:54 PM
Ok more questions :)

Does anyone know when S&W started selling the "problem" TPH's
It seems to be that the "Interarms" early ones are pretty good and the later ones are where the problems started.

Is there any kind of SN# break ???

Mr Jody Hudson
July 12, 2003, 11:52 AM
Personally, I have chosen to "just get one, don't pay any attention to when or where or how, etc." shoot it for a while with all sorts of different ammo... and then start sending it to the gun smith with exact complaints and whenever possible the empty cartridge that was marked during the malfunction.

I consider 4 trips to the gun smith to be minimum and I'm not surprised by double that. You end up with a lot of money invested. HOWEVER, there is nothing else in the world at any price to compete with it, in my opinion.

And, remember, there was a time, and it lasted for several years, when you paid a MINIMUM of $900 for one and still had the same work to do afterward.

Pocket Pistol
July 12, 2003, 12:06 PM
I suppose you have a point.
I did not know they were that high in the past as
I have just reciently got involved with them.

Zip06
July 12, 2003, 12:35 PM
My current TPH was made by a subcontractor to Interarms. The serial number is T0335XX and it was manufactured in 4/98. This is the one the mag release broke. It also has some pronounced machining marks internally. My earlier one was referenced in a previous post.

Prices for the German TPH's was/is quite high but you can still find a TPH without looking to hard for $300-400. Saw one at a gunshow a month ago for $320 used.

Pocket Pistol
August 5, 2003, 10:38 PM
Well got my TPH back from Roger Perry today.
He fixed the grip, new Mainspring, recut the sear, recut the Hammer SA notch, replaced sear spring, test fired.
He said it worked great.
I will test it tomorrow.
So far it looks great.

Mr Jody Hudson
August 6, 2003, 08:32 AM
Keep us posted Pocket Pistol! It sounds like he did a LOT of work on yours as well.

I have some other pistols that are done now and hope to see Roger Perry about them tonight or soon. :D

Pocket Pistol
August 6, 2003, 01:47 PM
Well I went to the range today
Good news is my 22 rifle shot great and I got it sighted in just fine.
Bad news is I left frustrated. :banghead:
As for my TPH it just was not a good day
For some reason I could not get 2 magazines through it.
It took 3-5 DA strikes each time to fire.
It never self cocked to SA, It would return to DA after each shot.
It only fired 75% when I thumb cocked it to SA.
Also once after I cocked it and fired it did a double tap.
Kind of surprised me when it went off twice with one pull.

I hope this is just a fluke and Roger can fix it up like
it is supposed to because I really like the TPH :(

Lets all pause and share a moment of silence for my TPH and
pray Roger can fix it up :)

9x19
August 6, 2003, 08:00 PM
Dang!

Ain't nothing worse than a gun that won't run right.

BTW, I just got an order in from Natchez... they have nickel-plated TPH mags in stock.

The ones I got today run just fine in my American stainless TPH.

Best of luck to you with your own...

www.natchezss.com

Pocket Pistol
August 6, 2003, 08:30 PM
Yea that is it
Dang :)

I hope we can get it straightened out.
I have sold guns that I have had less trouble with.
But I knew there were a couple of small problems with this kind
going in, where the others were new and supposed to be "good to go" out of the box.

I have kind of started a collection of small pocket pistols and like them
and the TPH has a nice history behind it, German design, imported for the CIA, among others, Kinda Cool :)

(yea I know that those were the German Blue ones but I like Stainless)

Mr Jody Hudson
August 7, 2003, 07:34 AM
I too will pray for you. Send it on back to Roger and give him your best explanation of the failures of course. Also, send him a box or two of each of the ammo you shot in it.

These damned things are like Colt .45 SA and Harley Davidsons; we LOVE them, even though we spend terrible ammounts of time and money getting them to work like they should have from the beginning.

Another little piece of trivia, which I may or may not have posted here...

The way I found out about them was from a 'wet agent' that I met as a Realtor, some 25 years ago. We were talking guns, etc. for several days as I held all-day open houses at his home. He spoke of his use of Rugers and AR7s in his work; he only used .22s and a double stack .380 Beretta pistol.

He claimed to always use the Ruger .22 or AR7 .22 and then leave them on the site after use. He claimed that on those occassions when he had to use the .380 that he would leave it behind him as well. BUT he said, he was never without his TPH, even if wearing a European suit or bathing suit (now that is a picture :what: ). He told me that nearly all the secret agent types revered the little TPH but it was seldom if ever found in the US, as usually only agents had them and they didn't let them go. He said usually only an agent who died would let one on the market, via his remaining wife. He spoke of the smallness, accuracy, beauty of the fine little piece with a reverence that was intriguing and those stories of his sent me on a quest.

I spent years, after that, trying to find one. And, I’ve been loving them and sending them back to get fixed ever since! Thank GOD, I don’t also have a thing for Harleys and Colt SAs!
:D

Pocket Pistol
August 7, 2003, 10:01 AM
Fortunately I do not have or plan on getting a Harley.

One question:
If we seem to have problems with them what did the CIA do to them or are the German ones that much better ??
I thought some one said they had a German one and it needed just as much work as a Stainless one and sold it because of the price of it NEW and possible degrading the value of it by working on it.

I do really hope He can fix it as I do not need a Very expensive paper weight, as I can not sell it in the condition it is in now.


Well just finished cleaning it, to see if I could see anything obvious :(
It is weird when you rack the slide the action works fine and it stays in SA like it is supposed to. But if you let the slide go it drops to DA :confused:

Zip06
August 7, 2003, 11:34 AM
Pocket Pistol - Another prayer vigil going on here for your TPH. I agree with you guys, we do put up with an inordinate amount of fussing with these pistols. Obviously we think its worth the fuss. What kinda ammo are you guys shooting?

Pocket Pistol
August 7, 2003, 11:51 AM
I have tried a little of a few different ones.
CCI Quick-Shok
Aguila Super Maximum ( any one know how to pronounce this one ??? )
Remington bulk box ( for fun )
Winchester super-x (more fun)
Aguils SSS
Aguils super colibri and colibri ( kinda neat and fairly quiet but will not cycle the slide or feed very well because of the length)
Even tried a Federal shot shell as an experiment. ( did not work good, won't cycle the slide)

I will most likely carry CCI Quick-Shok or Aguila Super Maximum in it when I get it running.


Thanks for the prayers :)

Mr Jody Hudson
August 7, 2003, 11:56 AM
My several TPHs have always loved Stingers, QuikShok, MiniMag, and other maximum power, max velocity loadings... ONLY.

If you can find any of the old Russian "sniper" rounds which were steel case, hyper velocity in the almost 40 grain range, with a soft lead deep HP, those are my most favorite of the exotics. Otherwise, your favorite +P type of .22 LR loading is worth a try.

And, I have NO idea what the deal was with the German ones, my German one was no better than my newer stainless or my newest stainless and blue.

In fact the most accurate and "best" of the bunch is the Arkansas made for Interarms, stainless models from the first American manufacturing years.

Since the original "special projects" folks at TPH manufacturers for Interarms, where I sent mine back at least four times each, Roger is the best I've found, by far. Just send him at least a couple of boxes of each kind of ammo you want to use; and test lots of ammo first to find what YOURS so far, likes best.

Pocket Pistol
August 7, 2003, 12:09 PM
where do you find old Russian "sniper" rounds ???
They sound interesting



Being a fan of secret agents, 007, spys and the such I have also become a fan of the small pocket pistols they use.
I kinda figure if they are good enough for the CIA and Mossad (I think I spelled it right), etc, I figure they are good enough for me.

But I have had trouble finding info on these neet little gadgets.
Where does one find info on the types and configurations used by the various worlds secret intellegence agencys ??

So far I want another TPH and I want to get a silencer for one of them, I think it would be a hoot :) to play with.
Then get the other one black teflon coated and have night sights put in, I think it would make a nice carry piece.

9x19
August 7, 2003, 09:44 PM
CCI's newest "Velocitor" load works quite well in both my Walthers, the TPH and P-22.

Mr Jody Hudson
August 8, 2003, 09:52 PM
The only source on the old Russian .22, steel case, ammo that I know of would be online. I got mine from a fellow who was a Marine Sniper, about 14 years ago. I bought about 50 bricks of 500 from him and mine is not for sale!!! I like it a lot and I've shot all but about 1 or 2 bricks of it.

The answer to everything, these days, is ONLINE... then check to see if it is true. That is why the self-correcting value of online forums is so good. If you lie, you get corrected!

Yes, I like the Velocitors in m TPH as well too.:D

Zip06
August 9, 2003, 08:40 PM
Took my TPH and three other .22's to the range to find out if any of them liked Velocitor's. Decided to test some other ammo also. The four .22's I took were the TPH, a PPK/s (in .22), Daewoo DP-52 (Walther PP clone in .22) and a Beretta 87 (old style that looks like the Model 85 .380). I fired 50 rounds of each type ammo through each as fast as I could. Here are the results:

TPH CCI Stingers, 32 grain HP, No malfunctions what-so-ever
Winchester Power Points 40 grain HP, No malfunctions what-so-ever
CCI MiniMag, 40 grain Hard Point, No malfunctions what-so-ever
CCI Velocitor, 40 grain Gold Dot, many failures to feed. Unreliable

Daewoo DP-52 CCI Stingers
Winchester Power Points
CCI MiniMag
CCI Velocitor No Problems of any kind with any ammo

Walther PPK/s CCI Stingers, No Problems of any kind
Winchester Power Point, No Problems of any kind
CCI Mini Mags, No Problems of any kind
CCI Velocitor, Many failures to feed. Never chambered twice in a row

Beretta Model 87 CCI Stingers
Winchester Power Point
CCI MiniMags
CCI Velocitors No problems of any kind with any ammo


Looks like the Walthers do not like Velocitors at least not in my guns.

Hypnogator
August 10, 2003, 11:57 PM
I carried one as my "always" gun for years, 'till Kel-Tec came out with the P-32. Now my daughter carrys it. ;)

Always reliable with CCI Mini-Mags, both HP & solids. Very accurate for a pocket gun.

Pocket Pistol
August 12, 2003, 03:42 PM
Well Roger just got back in town and called.
My TPH has been bugging him for days now.
He said all I have to do is get it to him and he will take care of it.
Very nice and apologetic, even offered my money back if I did not want to mess with the shipping again.
Least I can do is let him have another crack at it. I think I will throw a couple boxes of ammo as well.
As before I will keep you posted.

Mr Jody Hudson
August 13, 2003, 11:18 AM
I strongly suggest that you send him a couple of boxes of each kind of ammo you want to shoot in the pistol. It has been my experience that no matter what you do or who does it... the TPH (like a Harley or a 1911 style .45) will need to be worked on over and over and over until it is right... and even then, you may need to have it worked on again... no matter how good the mechanic. And Roger is superb. I picked up a gun from him last night and he is VERY concerned that your TPH does not work PERFECTLY.

Per my experience, it's just the way these exotic little beauties are... They are like a fantastically beautiful, sexy and HOT babe or wife... they are HIGH MAINTENANCE! But for some of us they are worth it; for others... they will just not ever want to have a Trophy Babe wife, a Harley, a finicky 1911 .45 or a TPH.

Just remember at one time the little TPH was $800 to $900 the German models are that much and more, most likely... and you STILL have to plan on 5 to 10 trips back to the factory customer service gun smiths. Now there are no factory service gunsmiths and there are no parts suppliers that I know of. We will soon ALL have to plan on buying extra TPHs as parts guns too...

The TPH still has no competition in some ways; the Keltec .32 is closest but... the .32 ammo costs a lot more than the .22 if you want to shoot it a lot. It could be worse... you could have married Marilyn Monroe or Liz Taylor! Now THAT would be high maintenance!

Zip06
August 13, 2003, 11:28 AM
Roger that, Jody. Yes they do require maintenance just like a fine watch or a high maintenance babe, like Pamela Anderson. She goes in for maintenance on a regular basis and I, for one, would say its money well spent.

Pocket Pistol
August 17, 2003, 08:36 PM
Well it is back at Rogers now and he said he will get to it in a couple of weeks.
Wish he was a bit quicker though :)

Mr Jody Hudson
August 18, 2003, 12:01 PM
I know what you mean about his speed. He has quite a following AND he is still base commander of the National Guard training facility AND he is frequently out of town doing Presidential secure communications work... He is a dedicated American Serviceman as well as a gundoctor. :)

Pocket Pistol
August 18, 2003, 12:06 PM
Cool :)
Sounds busy and intriguing.

Pocket Pistol
October 26, 2003, 09:53 PM
Finally got my TPH back.
Works better but still not 100%
Roger gave it a try but finally gave up.
My only real complaint is it took him 3 1/2 months
to give up on it.
After I sent it back the second time because it did not even work I would expect someone to jump right on a return that is a waranty issue.
But he seemed to keep taking other guns and putting mine off week after week.
Even though he is a nice guy and gave me my money back
I do not think you shound treat people that way.
If am item is returned under waranty it is NUMBER ONE priority.
That is just how you do business and keep people.

Fortunately I switched jobs since I sent it to him and now work with a
very good gun smith of 25 + years in the business and he says he can fix it no problem just bring it in :)

Mr Jody Hudson
October 27, 2003, 03:14 AM
I think Roger still has a couple of my pistols (not TPHs) as well. Remember, his top priority is his job as base commander of the National Guard. I know he has been out of town, A LOT. I have not seen him in several months either. I know he was doing some special work for the Govt., in an unknown location...

Sorry he was not able to fix your piece. Please keep us posted and when your new Smith gets it working, please let us know.

Take care,

Jody

SirVette
October 28, 2003, 07:32 PM
I now have about 700 rounds thru the used one I bought (see above) and it has been flawless so far.

Good little gun, Tam's' statements make it that much more special, since I have one of the good ones... :D
9x19

Sounds good.

They high quality guns & are very popular w/ agents.
Got a good one.

:cool:

TO16XXX

Pocket Pistol
November 12, 2003, 10:53 PM
I thought I had a good one.
When I started it just had a few misfires and needed some tweaking.

This all started July 5th 2003

When I got it back after 4 weeks, it would not even shoot.
It would fire in Single Action mode but would not stay cocked after the slide cycled.
I even had a double tap from it.
It also would not even attempt to fire in Double Action.

I called Roger and he was very apologetic and offered to fix it free if I wanted to send it to him, or he would just refund my money.

I figured it was a freak thing and sent it to him.
Then after numerous email transactions where he stated he would have it done and ready this week, or get to it next week, or still working on it maybe, I can get back to it the week after next.

I am sorry but when someone does a job and it goes bad and you let them try to fix it, by my thinking it goes to the top of the list. Other customers that came later do not bump it. Your item gets number one priority, until it is fixed.

Well Roger apparently does not do business that way.

After 9 more weeks of false promises and being put off till next well I asked for it back with ALL my original parts, and my money.

Well he sent it with my money but it is "not the same gun" I sent him.

Oh, it is my gun but he managed to break the mag catch and told me it just happened and must have been bad, and replaced it with a BLUE one when my gun is STAINLESS. ( I do not buy it, I think it was careless and bad business), then he knocked the inserts for the grip screws out and blew it off like it was nothing. I had had the grips off numerous times and NEVER had ANY problem with the inserts being loose or anything

My drawbar is not "my" drawbar. It is chrome and has been bent to the point of the chrome flaking off in 2-3 places, with a drawbar spring that looks like it got caught in a blender.
My main spring is not the original it has also been cut.
My Sear spring was also been replaced by a different spring.

So my new Gunsmith looked at it and the first thing he asked was “who took a bastard file to the back of the barrel and the ramp”. ( That would be Roger cleaning up the back from the dry fire hits.
Which may also explain why my firing pin and spring are different then orig.

Then he showed me the release piece that caused the double tap. It apparently was to short so it was penned to make it taller.

So basically it seems that Roger just screwed up my gun by getting in over his head and
Would not admit it before he messed up more parts. His repair has now cost me $150 over what I was going to have paid him to fix it, by having to fix what he screwed up.

Never again will a send a gun to anybody I do not know personally.
Hell the reason I did not send it to Cylinder and Slide was because they had a 6 month waiting list.
Heck I would have been better off in the long run and I have NO DOUBT they COULD fix it RIGHT.

Well now I have ordered a new barrel, release piece, firing pin & spring, drawbar & spring and sear spring, as well as new grips.

Not hard at all to find once someone that knows tells you where to look.

Well all the parts are in and we will work on it next week :)

More later.

PS No Hard feelings Jody :) I just learned a lesson the hard way.
I truly hope your luck continues to be good with Roger of which I have no hard
feelings toward either, as I have more important things to think about :)

Mr Jody Hudson
November 13, 2003, 08:50 AM
Sorry!

By the way, where did you find parts! It sounds like you found the Mother Lode of TPH parts!

I still have a few TPHs and EXPECT to need parts when I start shooting them again... :banghead:

Pocket Pistol
November 13, 2003, 10:37 PM
No Problem :)

Jack First and Numurich (Gun Parts)

Mr Jody Hudson
November 14, 2003, 11:22 AM
Wonderful! Thanks!:D

keederdag
November 14, 2003, 07:07 PM
Very interesting thread. I have carried a tph for many years, pretty much every day. I shoot it once a week at 150-200 rounds. I load it with Stingers, and practice with mini-mags; I also shoot my carry ammo first, every week. My first Interarms Walther didnt work out of the box, I sent it back, they held it and did zero. I did this two more times with the same result. Smith got Walther; I sent it to smith, they sent me a brand new gun. The Mag catch busted into on the first mag. I sent it back, they fixed it and sent me five extra mags. I have never had a problem since. It loves stingers, likes minimags and tolerates most everything else. I had some problems with light hits and CCI stingers. I beleive they have a harder case than most drawn brass cased .22's. I stacked some extra spring under the mainspring and have had no more bobbles. I is excessively accurate. I stun people every week at the local range. I carry it in a Galco pocket holster, made to fit it. About a year ago, I had it engraved by a Mesa engraver named Vernon Wagoner. 90% coverage. I have killed god knows how many snakes, rabbits, and other vermin with it; and have finished off deer, elk, and wild boar with it. Stingers chrono at about 1150-1200fps at 3yrds. I trust it more than any other pistol I own; and I own More than 70.:)

Mr Jody Hudson
November 14, 2003, 08:24 PM
The accuracy is so incredible that ONLY a TPH owner can imagine the possibilities of such a fine little "palm rifle". It is the accuracy that is so addictive as to cause me to put up with all the other difficulties!

Glad to see that you finally got yours fixed for keeps! :)

Zip06
November 14, 2003, 09:18 PM
Again, Jody, I agree with you on the TPH. But also, mine didn't come without warts. After things get worked out they are just a jewel. Good to know from Keederdag's post that S&W is apparently supporting them.

Mr Jody Hudson
November 15, 2003, 12:47 AM
As far as I know, S&W no longer supports them. They did for a few months, while dumping them on the market at $303, after picking them up from Interarms.

Please, anyone, correct me if this is not true.

keederdag
November 15, 2003, 05:09 PM
My experiance was.....yes! But that is only one experiance I suppose.:)

Pocket Pistol
May 21, 2004, 03:10 AM
Been out of touch for a while.
Busy, Busy, Busy :)

But finally got my TPH running great :)

SO far it only likes aguila super maximum

Did not want to feed CCI Quick Shocks or Aguila SSS

I put around 60 through it the other day and was pleased.

I need to get some CCI Stingers and see how they do.

But for now I carry it and love it :)

Now all I need is a threaded barrel for a silencer :)

BluesBear
May 21, 2004, 08:11 AM
Good news.
Keep us posted.

Have you considered CCI Velocitators?

Pocket Pistol
May 28, 2004, 11:43 PM
Thanks
No I have not tried the Velocitors yet.
After a bit more tinkering I got it to feed Aguila SSS abd QUick SHoc.
It still loves Aguila Super MAximum, but also does well with Winchester super x and Remington yellow jacket bulk box.

To date I have 400+ through it with no faults that I can not attribute to me.

This thing is a LOT more sensitive to grip then I thought a 22 would be, and this is me main problem.
I think a new recoil spring may fix most of this.

BUt on closing

I LOVE IT :)

Bladeandbarrel
May 29, 2004, 12:38 AM
I had one of these little buggers, stainless, made in Alabama for Interarms (or was it Arkansas?)

Anyway. It was superbly accuracte for a bitty gun and had a great SA trigger. DA sucked and after a few boxes of stingers I started getting FTF's and light hits. Turns out that most of the internal parts were not properly heat treated or hardened at all. For example, the hammer strut could easily be bent by hand.

Great design, pisspoor execution. I wish I had an alloy german one. They are NICE.

MOAMike
May 30, 2004, 11:46 PM
I have a SS Interarms Walther TPH .22 and it shoots like there's no tomorrow!

It does like the high velocity rounds the best: Stingers, QuikShocks, YellowJackets, etc. Never had a single problem with it. One of my favorite DEEP conceal BUGs.

Mike

Pocket Pistol
June 4, 2004, 12:44 AM
Well over 400 rounds so far and not much problem.
I only have a feed problem when I do not hold it tight enough.
I did not expect hold to be so critical on a 22.
I am thinking perhaps the recoil spring is a bit weak and will try a new one.
But so far it feeds most everything I can fed it.
My most reliable is the Aguila Super Maximum with no problems to date if I hold it right.
The others are just as good but more sensitive to grip.

More later :)
Man I love this thing.

Where can I find a threaded barrel ?????

Carl696
September 8, 2013, 11:05 PM
I don't know how many of our members might see this as the last post on this subject was about 2003-2004 but when I was a police officer back in the late 70's mid 80's the Walther TPH was not allowed to be imported to the US. It did not meet the BATF import standards. (points system)
But it could be sold to full time police officers with approval of head LEO (chief etc). Well about 6 officers on my department (Including me )decided to purchase one.
With a letter from our chief to the BATF we each got a German made alloy frame TPH. The guns were sent directly our department and issued to us with no federal paper work. The gun came with two mags. I carried mine in a shoulder holster under my uniform shirt and between my Bullet proof vest for over 8 years.
I never had a problem with feeding of any ammo. It just goes to show the Germans known how to make guns

usp9
September 9, 2013, 12:47 AM
This thread need a pic, Never a problem with either of these. I prefer the .25acp to the .22lr if I carried it, but for fun and games the .22lr is great.

OH, and the picture is an old photo, so it's OK for this revival thread.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/Pistols/Walther/tph25019.jpg (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/ripley16/media/Pistols/Walther/tph25019.jpg.html)

jimbo555
September 10, 2013, 09:28 PM
I had one and it was accurate but not reliable enough to carry for self defense no matter what ammo I tried. Recommend a ruger lcr22. Just pull the trigger if you get a bad round.

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