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gunsmith
June 9, 2003, 04:12 AM
I was browsing cabelas and saw the B/P cartridge .45 lc
revolver it looks real good. is this gun legal in CA?
can it handle modern factory loads? if not
are B/P bullets suitable for self defense?
are they (like I've been told about muzzle loades)
needing a cleaning after every 6 shots?...
thanks alot,it looks like a real decent gun for less
then 300$ but I know nothing about BP firearms

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Mike Irwin
June 9, 2003, 01:28 PM
"can it handle modern factory loads?"

Not smokeless powder loads it can't!

dfariswheel
June 9, 2003, 06:25 PM
Depends on which gun you're talking about.
The only .45 LC cartridge gun I see in Cabela's catalog is the "Millennium" single action.

This is just a Uberti copy of the Colt Single Action with a cheaper black finish and brass trigger guard and back strap.

If this is the gun you asked about, it will handle all standard modern .45 LC ammo.

Tommy Gunn
June 12, 2003, 02:58 AM
The original .45 Colt load was a 255gr lead bullet over 40gr of blackpowder. It was/is a very stout load. It was made to drop a horse as well as a man because the cavalry was expected to fight enemy cavalry.

The modern brass will only hold 35gr blackpowder, it is still a stout load.


Don't use any petroleum based oils or lubricants for a gun using blackpowder loads. Use only those lubricants made for blackpowder. TC's Borebutter is very good. I recommend greasing the basepin of the revolver with it. A very good product for BP guns is Ballistol.

http://www.ballistol.com/

Natural Lube 1000 Bore Butter (http://www.logcabinshop.com/catalog/borebutter.html)

RobW
June 12, 2003, 11:20 AM
Don't use any petroleum based oils or lubricants for a gun using blackpowder loads.
Why? Any reason for that? :confused:

Tommy Gunn
June 12, 2003, 06:51 PM
Why? Any reason for that? :confused:

The blackpowder lubricants react differently (chemically) to the combustion of black powder, producing far less "tar like" fouling than the petroleum based gun oils used for smokeless powder guns.

RobW
June 13, 2003, 12:15 PM
Thanks, Tommy Gunn, that makes sense. I used Crisco to lubricate the cylinder and was thinking of changing it to petroleum jelly or vaseline.

Now I'll rather go with TC bore butter or the like.

Mike Weber
June 23, 2003, 05:35 AM
As has been mentioned the cabela's revolver is a Uberti These revolvers will handle most factory loads for .45 Colt. Most of the factory ammo in this chambering is manufactured with the knowledge that there are many of the old Colt revolvers still in use and pressures are kept low. DO NOT USE ANY high pressure loads designed for Ruger and TC Such as the Buffalo Bore ammo If you're shooting black powder loads I will second the Ballistol this is an excellent product. I shoot Remington revolvers in this chambering and a few drops of Ballistol applied to the cylinder base pin along with a good wipe down of the cylinder face about every other cylinder keeps the fouling softened up and prevents the guns from locking up with fouling. The Colt copies such as the Cabela's revolver aren't nearly as prone to locking up from fouling as the Remingtons due to the cylinder bushing arangement of the Colt and a differing style of base pin. Another advantage of the Ballistol if that it is slightly alkyline and helps to neutralize the acids in BP residue. The Majority of shooters in Cowboy Action Competition are shooting smokeless loads in their revolvers. Though there are many of us working overtime to convert them to the "Darkside Black Powder" Also when shooting Black powder loads most bullets designed for smokeless aren't suitable for BP. You need large lube grooves on a BP bullet in order to carry enough lube. Mid Kansas makes an excellent BP bullet and LEE Precision offers an excellant mold called the PRS for BP bullet casting. The Cabela's revolver is a good value. I just don't care for the Millenium finish on them, I prefer blued steel and color casehardened frames on my sixguns.

Mike Irwin
June 23, 2003, 03:11 PM
Ugh, I thought you meant a gun that was advertised SPECIFICALLY as a black powder shooting gun.

Sorry!

Mike Weber
June 24, 2003, 02:01 AM
Nope Mike this one is a copy of the Colt SAA made by Uberti. It Sold for around $200.00 when they first hit the market. They have a black looking finish that looks sort of like Parkerizing that is called the Millenium finish.

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