Illinois hi-cap magazine ban


May 2, 2007, 10:08 PM
I don't really have much to say about it, I'll let the text do the talking:
(edited to remove page headers)

I'm not very familiar with the nuts and bolts of legislation so I don't know what stage this bill is at,
but I'm guessing it's still embryonic judging by the date. Any comments clarifying things would be great.

Sen. Dan Kotowski

Filed: 5/1/2007


2 AMENDMENT NO. ______. Amend Senate Bill 1007 by replacing
3 everything after the enacting clause with the following:

4 "Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by adding
5 Section 24-1.8 as follows:

6 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.8 new)
7 Sec. 24-1.8. Manufacture, possession, delivery, sale, and
8 purchase of large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
9 (a) As used in this Section:
10 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means:
11 (1) a detachable magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or
12 similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be
13 readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10
14 rounds of ammunition; or
15 (2) any combination of parts from which a device
16 described in paragraph (1) can be assembled.

1 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does not
2 include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and
3 capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition,
4 any device designed to be used with an antique firearm as
5 defined in 27 C.F.R. 478.11, any device designed to be used
6 with a muzzle-loading firearm used for "black powder" hunting,
7 any device designed as a reproduction of a historical piece of
8 military equipment for use in battle re-enactments, or any
9 device that has been made permanently inoperable.
10 (b) Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), it is
11 unlawful for any person within this State, beginning 90 days
12 after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th
13 General Assembly, to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell,
14 purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered,
15 sold, purchased, or possessed, a large capacity ammunition
16 feeding device.
17 (c) This Section does not apply to a person who possessed a
18 device prohibited by subsection (b) before the effective date
19 of this amendatory Act of the 95th General Assembly. On or
20 after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th
21 General Assembly, such person may transfer such device only to
22 an heir, an individual residing in another state maintaining
23 that device in another state, or a dealer licensed as a federal
24 firearms dealer under Section 923 of the federal Gun Control
25 Act of 1968.
26 (d) This Section does not apply to or affect any of the

1 following:
2 (1) Peace officers as defined in Section 2-13 of this
3 Code and retired peace officers not otherwise prohibited
4 from receiving a firearm, in possession of a large capacity
5 ammunition feeding device transferred to the retired peace
6 officer by his or her law enforcement agency upon
7 retirement.
8 (2) Wardens, superintendents, and keepers of prisons,
9 penitentiaries, jails, and other institutions for the
10 detention of persons accused or convicted of an offense.
11 (3) Members of the Armed Services or Reserve Forces of
12 the United States or the Illinois National Guard, while in
13 the performance of their official duties or while traveling
14 to or from their place of duty.
15 (4) Manufacture, transportation, or sale of large
16 capacity ammunition feeding devices to persons authorized
17 under subdivisions (1) through (3) of this subsection to
18 possess those items.
19 (5) Possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding
20 device at events taking place at the World Shooting and
21 Recreational Complex at Sparta, only while engaged in the
22 legal use of the device, or while traveling to or from this
23 location if the items are broken down in a non-functioning
24 state, or are not immediately accessible, or are unloaded
25 and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box,
26 or other container.

1 (6) Possession of any large capacity ammunition
2 feeding device if that large capacity ammunition feeding
3 device is sanctioned by the International Olympic
4 Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body
5 for international shooting competition in the United
6 States, but only when the large capacity ammunition feeding
7 device is in the actual possession of an Olympic target
8 shooting competitor or target shooting coach for the
9 purpose of storage, transporting to and from Olympic target
10 shooting practice or events if the device is broken down in
11 a non-functioning state, is not immediately accessible, or
12 is unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box,
13 shipping box, or other container, and when the Olympic
14 target shooting competitor or target shooting coach is
15 engaging in those practices or events.
16 (7) Possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding
17 device only for a hunting use expressly permitted under the
18 Wildlife Code, or while traveling to or from a location
19 authorized for such hunting use under the Wildlife Code if
20 the items are broken down in a non-functioning state, or
21 are not immediately accessible, or are unloaded and
22 enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or
23 other container.
24 (8) Manufacture, transportation, possession, sale, or
25 rental of large capacity ammunition feeding devices to
26 persons authorized or permitted, or both authorized and

1 permitted to acquire and possess such devices for the
2 purpose of rental for use solely as props for a motion
3 picture, television, or video production or entertainment
4 event.
5 (e) Sentence. A person who knowingly manufactures,
6 delivers, sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be
7 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed in
8 violation of this Section a large capacity ammunition feeding
9 device commits a Class A misdemeanor for a first violation; a
10 Class 4 felony for a second violation; and a Class 3 felony for
11 a third or subsequent violation or for possession or delivery
12 of more than one of these devices at the same time.

13 Section 97. Severability. The provisions of this Act are
14 severable under Section 1.31 of the Statute on Statutes.

15 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon
16 becoming law.".

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May 3, 2007, 12:53 PM
Call your State Senator and tell them to vote "NO" on SB1007.

How to find your state senator and his Phone Number. Please be brief and polite.

"Hello, my name is _______ and I live in _________, please tell Senator ______ to vote against SB1007. Thank you."

May 3, 2007, 05:23 PM
does calling senators really do anything there?

It sure doesn't hurt. When I was down in Springfield for IGOLD one of the ladies that mans the desk told me that one letter or postcard is worth 10 phone-calls, 1 phone-call is worth 10 e-mails, and 1 e-mail represents about 10 voters.

Which kinda matches what I learned when I worked in the restaurant business. If you got 1 complaint, you probably gave poor service to another 10-20 customers who don't care enough to give you feedback to fix whatever problem(s) you have.

Anywho. There's one person that answers the phone for each Senator and one for every two Reps (yes, they have to share.) When "WE" decide to light up the phones, those (mostly) ladies can't get much else done but answer the phones, and tally voter input. So yes, it's important. It may or may not change the legislator's mind on a issue, but, in the past has been effective in either preventing or moving legisilation on the floor or in committees.

And not sound naive or like a conspiracy theorist - but is Daley corrupt?

Is the Pope Catholic ??? Unfortunately, if and when the Feds to connect the dots and indict Daley, not much will change in Chicago. Some people here can remember when Harold (I don't have to show up to get a paycheck, nor pay income taxes) Washington was mayor. Yep, he was a convicted ghost payroller and income tax evader and was still elected mayor.

To quote the aptly named Who song "Won't Get Fooled Again: (While playing a wicked windmill air guitar, with the volume set at 11. :D )
"Meet the new Boss, Bam Ba Dah, same as the old Boss".

May 3, 2007, 06:22 PM
Looks like they aren't just after 'high capacity' magazines... there are a lot of standard capacity mags on their crap list.
Hell, my .45 is a 13+1, standard. A 'high' capacity magazine would extend from the mag well and be unwieldy and not so concealable.

bad LT
May 3, 2007, 06:48 PM
At least they finally included a grandfather clause.

May 3, 2007, 07:32 PM
Would someone kindly post the relevant phone numbers and area codes of these...........people.

May 3, 2007, 09:32 PM
Would someone kindly post the relevant phone numbers and area codes of these...........people.

Dan Kowotski (D- Mt. Prospect)- Sponsor (also former lobbyist for Brady Bunch and/or HGI or Illinois Council to Kill the 2nd Amendment or some such group, through and through a hard core gun grabber.) 217-782-3875

Also linky-thingy is in Post #2, you can search for Senators and Representives by district, name or any address (like yours).
If you really want to ---->>>> :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: call any/all of the senators from the 1st through the 20th districts (Chicago/Cook County) They love, love, love, love to hear from us gun owners :rolleyes: ;) :D .

May 3, 2007, 10:49 PM
OK I realize that 11 rounds is not high capacity, but that's what the anti's refer to it as, and it is their bill (if I were going for true honesty I would have refered to it as an "unconstitutional step-by-step police state prole disarmament project: part 1").

May 7, 2007, 10:57 AM
Am I missing something here? The original Senate Bill 1007 had to do with with the sexual exploitation of children. Then the other bit looks like the whole bill is amended and replaced with the high cap. ban. Is that right? Is that even possible?

May 7, 2007, 08:07 PM
Do I correctly read that this doesn't apply to anyone, anywhere, who possessed ANY "hi capacity" magazine before this was enacted?

May 7, 2007, 08:37 PM
Its an ingenuis move on the part of the antis. If you vote against the bill they can say that you support child molestation. And if you vote in favor of the bill then pro-gun voters will se you as an anti-gunner.

What a horrible piece of legislation.

May 7, 2007, 09:12 PM
Would someone kindly post the relevant phone numbers and area codes of these...........people.

The ISRA has an e-mail alert system that keeps us up to date and often provides the information you request.

You do not have to be a member to get e mail alerts.

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May 10, 2007, 12:43 AM
Today Senator Kotowski's magazine ban bill passed the Senate with 31 yeas, 26 nays,
1 present and 1 not voting. This bill is headed for the house. It will probably go to an anti-gun committee so it will likely pass out of committee easily to become a floor fight. Please be sure to call your Representative and tell them to oppose SB1007.

I would begin calling right away. We could see this bill next week in the House.

Pass this alert on to everyone you know and to every bulletin board.

Join the ISRA or recruit a new member today.

Time to light up the phones. I'm also calling the collar county Rep's (mostly R's) just in case their knees might be getting a little wobbly.

Jeff White
May 10, 2007, 01:49 AM
It's time to call my Rep Kurt Grandberg and remind him that I supported him in the last election simply because of his leadership position in the democratic party and that I expect him to use it on this issue.

Grandburg kept his seat by the narrowist of margins last November. Everyone else in Grandberg's district needs to do the same. I don't just expect him to vote the right way, I expect him to twist arms in the party.


May 14, 2007, 11:58 PM
There is a strong likelihood that this will pass this committee but I don't think we should just let it pass.

We need to use the same kind of tactics that we did on SB16. We need to tie up the phones of every single member of this committee except for the ones we know are with us . . .

When the hearing date is set we need to make plans to get as many gun owners there as we can - pack the room if necessary then swarm the Stratton building handing out fact sheets - burn the phone lines up and pile on the email, faxes, and letters.

Not because it will sway the committee but because the word will spread like wildfire that gun owners are on this - just like they are the AWB and the .50 cal ban. Remember those two bills passed out of committee too - we can't let up. We need to make a lot of noise! Polite noise but noise all the same.

Let's not forget Speaker of the House - Please contact Speaker of the House Michael Madigan and voice your opposition to this kind of legislation - (217) 782-5350

Chairperson : Daniel J. Burke (217) 782-1117 (773) 471-2299 (Cook) D

Vice-Chairperson : Joseph M. Lyons (217) 782-8400 ................. (773) 286-1115 (Cook) D

Republican Spokesperson : Dan Brady (217) 782-1118 ...................... (309) 662-1100 (McLean) R

Edward J. Acevedo (217) 782-2855 ................... (773) 843-1200 (Cook) D

Maria Antonia Berrios (217) 558-1032 ................... (773) 235-3939 (Cook) D

Bob Biggins (217) 782-6578 .................... (630) 941-1278 (DuPage) R

Richard T. Bradley (217) 782-8117 .................... (773) 794-9444 (Cook) D

Brent Hassert (217) 782-4179 ..................... (630) 739-7063 (Will) R

James H. Meyer (217) 782-8028 ...................... (630) 717-7141 (DuPage) R

Robert S. Molaro (217) 782-5280 .......................... (773) 838-1212 (Cook) D

Robert Rita (217) 558-1000 ...................... (708) 396-2822 (Cook) D

Angelo Saviano (217) 782-3374 .......................... (708) 453-7547 (Cook) R

Arthur L. Turner (217) 782-8116 ....................... (773) 277-4700 (Cook) D

May 15, 2007, 11:08 AM
Here's how your senator voted:
I'll let Hultgren know that I'm disappointed in his vote.

Looks like they moved it in the House from the Rules Committee to the Executive Committee:

25 prepaid postcards is $6.50 from the post office. Three sheets of labels is another buck or so. Use three labels per card (Rep's address, your return address and a label with a short message "Please vote against SB 1007 and save 500+ good paying Illinois manufacturing jobs." For around $7.50 you get the message out. Send them to members of the Rules committee, your Rep and the especially the Collar County (Dupage, Lake, McHenry, Will, Kane, and Kendall) Rep's. Downstate Rep's I'm not to worried about, it's the Collar County R's that get shaky (Pihos of Glen Ellyn being one).

May 15, 2007, 11:46 AM
Glad to see my senator voted against it. I'll be sure to give her a thank you call.

May 16, 2007, 07:24 PM
The bill is now in the Executive Committee. Don't bother waisting your time sending post card to these folks. They will let the bill sail out of committee, keep the pressure on your own Reps.

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