New Jersey Committee Taking Up Gun Ban Legislation


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rev214
May 8, 2007, 09:56 PM
NRA-ILA Alert:

New Jersey Committee Taking Up Gun Ban Legislation!

On Thursday, May 10, the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee is scheduled to consider gun ban legislation that would further infringe on our Right to Keep and Bear Arms in New Jersey.

A3998, sponsored by Assemblymen Reed Gusciora (D-15), Michael Panter (D-12), and Robert Gordon (D-38), would ban the possession of all .50 BMG rifles and ammunition by declaring such items to be a “destructive device.” It also would prohibit the private ownership of all .50 caliber in-line muzzleloader rifles, or any antique muzzleloader over .60 caliber.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/A4000/3998_I1.HTM



A3494, sponsored by Assemblywoman Pamela Lampitt (D-6) and Assemblyman Peter Barnes (D-18), would drastically raises all firearm license and permit fees and would allow the Superintendent of State Police the discretion to annually reconsider fees for a manufacturer or dealer license, a carry permit, the firearms purchase I.D. (FID), and the pistol purchase permits.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/A3500/3494_I1.HTM



Please email, call, or fax the members of the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee today, as well as your own Assemblyman or Assemblywoman, and urge them to oppose A3998 and A3494.



Members of the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee:

Assemblyman Gordon Johnson, Chair (D-37)
One Engle Street
Suite 104
Englewood, NJ 07631
(201) 541-1118
Fax: 201-541-1071
AsmJohnson@njleg.org



Assemblyman Nelson Albano, Vice-Chair (D-1)
21 North Main Street
Cape May Court House, NJ 08210
(609) 465-0700
Fax: 609-465-4578
AsmAlbano@njleg.org



Assemblyman Jon Bramnick (R-21)
203 Elm Street
1st Floor
Westfield, NJ 07090
(908) 232-3673
Fax: 908-232-3345
AsmBramnick@njleg.org



Assemblyman Brian Rumpf (R-9)
620 West Lacey Road
Forked River, NJ 08731
(609) 693-6700
Fax: 609-693-2469
AsmRumpf@njleg.org



Assemblyman Alfred Steele (D-35)
100 Hamilton Plaza
Suite 1400
Paterson, NJ 07505
(973) 247-1521
Fax: 973-247-2457
AsmSteele@njleg.org



Assemblyman Silverio Vega (D33)
303 58th Street
West New York, NJ 07093
(201) 854-0900

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LAR-15
May 9, 2007, 02:17 PM
Banning muzzle loaders??

strat81
May 9, 2007, 02:29 PM
Changed my mind.

rev214
May 9, 2007, 02:32 PM
Banning muzzle loaders??

just in case the Hessians return to trenton, i guess...:what:


Assemblyman Jon Bramnick intends to vote against A3494 (the other bill in committee),
which he stated "amounts to nothing more then a tax increase on law-abiding citizens".

mike101
May 9, 2007, 03:14 PM
"It also would prohibit the private ownership of all .50 caliber in-line muzzleloader rifles, or any antique muzzleloader over .60 caliber."

Hey! Don't you know you can shoot down an airliner with those things? Just ask Sarah Brady!

You could put your eye out. :barf:

WeThePeople
May 9, 2007, 03:43 PM
Boy, I sure am happy that I decided not to go back to New Jersey after my discharge from the Army! I would love to see the rate of crime involving ANY muzzleloader, let alone a musket!!!

benEzra
May 9, 2007, 03:45 PM
All rifles combined account for about 2.9% of homicides. Work backward from that to figure out how many of those homicides involve muzzleloaders and .50's. :scrutiny:

Mannix
May 9, 2007, 03:47 PM
This is stupid, anyone know how many people have been killed in this country with .50bmg rifles? None. I have never seen one documented case, and you know if there was one out there the antis would be all over it :banghead:. God I'm glad I don't live in NJ or CA, if I were you guys I'd be planning my escape.

rev214
May 10, 2007, 08:06 AM
Gun ban takes shot at re-enactors, hunters
Proposal would prohibit battlefield muskets and popular deer muzzleloaders
Thursday, May 10, 2007
BY BRIAN T. MURRAY
Star-Ledger Staff

The Continental Army and the Redcoats may have to go at each other with baseball bats in New Jersey.

Revolutionary War buffs who annually re-enact historic conflicts like the Battle of Monmouth with muskets contend they will be disarmed by a proposed gun ban aimed at modern .50-caliber rifles that gun-control advocates call potential terrorist "sniper" weapons.

A bill in the Assembly (A3998) states that antiques and replica guns will be excluded from the ban, but gun advocates say the measure caps that exclusionary rule at .60-caliber rifles -- which would ban muskets carried by many Civil War re-enactors, as well as the Continental Army. The proposed law also extends the ban to popular, one-shot "in-line" muzzleloaders used by thousands of deer hunters, angering many sporting organizations.

"Just about every rifle carried on the American continent prior to 1855 were larger than .60-caliber," said Peter Hefferan of Wantage, a re-enactor and owner of Reactive Technologies, a private firearms consulting operation that works with law enforcement.

"You'll wipe out re-enactors of the American Revolution. The whole concept of the re-enactment is history, and it is required that everything be accurate right down to the threading of the garments and the number of buttons, even the type of buttons," he said.

The arrest this week of six suspected terrorists accused of trying to kill personnel at Fort Dix has provided some steam for the controversial gun-ban bill.

"We have no intent of damaging or impeding the ability of hunters to hunt or re-enactors to do what they do," said Bryan Miller of Cease Fire New Jersey. "But every time we try to get people from the other side of this debate to help us draft a bill that works, they refuse. If this bill is flawed, it's their own fault."

Still, Assemblyman Reed Gusciora (D-Mercer), a primary sponsor of the .50-caliber ban, said he hopes to clear up the dispute with hunters and re-enactors by introducing amendments today when the measure goes before the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee in Trenton.

"I just went to a tour of the Princeton battlefield today, so I understand the importance of the re-enactors and I plan to make sure the legislation is clearer so they are not affected. The amendments also will take out in-line muzzleloaders," Gusciora said.

The target of the law is supposedly the civilian model of the .50-caliber BMG rifle, including the bolt-action as well as any semi-automatic version of the gun. Such rifles are capable of effectively firing a .50-caliber, fixed-ammunition round about 1,000 yards.

A few trained military snipers have been able to kill enemy targets at much longer distances since the guns were invented in 1917.

Large and cumbersome, they are not widely owned in the United States, have not been used in crimes and, according to firearms experts, cannot shoot down commercial airplanes as some claim. But gun-control activists contend the large-caliber rifle has no legitimate sporting purpose and that, in the era of home-grown terrorists, the time has come to ban the gun.

"Especially in light of the events this week at Fort Dix, we need to remember we're now in a post-9/11 world where we have to be worried about someone misusing this gun," Gusciora said.

The in-line rifles and the guns used by re-enactors are all muzzleloaders -- rifles that use technology dating back hundreds of years. They do not use modern ammunition cartridges.

They are loaded by pouring black powder or powder pellets down the barrel of the rifle and then packing a bullet-type projectile down the barrel on top of the charge.

Some old models are ignited by burning a wick, as with the famous "Three Musketeers." Most replicas and in-line models used today are ignited by pulling a trigger that brings a hammer down to ignite a powder cap or an open pan of black powder, which sends a spark into the chamber of the rifle to ignite the packed powder and projectile in the muzzle.

The hammers are traditionally on the side of the rifle.

But modern "in-line" muzzleloading rifles have the hammer directly at the rear of the gun -- largely to permit hunters to keep their powder dry in damp whether.

About 9,200 deer are shot annually in New Jersey by muzzleloader hunters.

"In-line muzzleloaders are one of the most popular deer guns around. This bill attacks hunting along with the .50-caliber gun they want to ban," said George Howard of the New Jersey Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs. "They almost banned shotguns the last time they tried a bill like this, and I don't know whether it's deliberate or they just don't know what they are doing."

Legislative attempts to ban the .50-caliber BMG rifle have gone on for nearly a decade, but they also have stalled because of murky wording.

"I understand the intent of the law, and I might even agree with that intent," said John Peppas of Long Valley, who is part of the Revolutionary War re-enactment group, the 4th Light Continental Dragoons. "But I don't understand why they can't place the prohibition on the guns they want to prohibit, and not our replicas."

Brian Murray may be reached at bmurray@starledger.com

io333
May 10, 2007, 09:29 AM
Standard anti technique. Propose outlandish things in the bill, then remove them and say there was compromise.

It *will* pass as a .50 ban. I escaped from the armpit, I remember the stench.


:barf:

22-rimfire
May 10, 2007, 11:58 AM
They just keep on trying to chip away at 2A rights. This quote really bugs me actually from the article.

We have no intent of damaging or impeding the ability of hunters to hunt or re-enactors to do what they do," said Bryan Miller of Cease Fire New Jersey. "But every time we try to get people from the other side of this debate to help us draft a bill that works, they refuse. If this bill is flawed, it's their own fault."

They can't they get it through their heads that no bill is necessary. There are already too many restrictions in NJ to the right to bear arms of any kind. They need to end the restrictions that are already in place as the existing laws have absolutely no credible impact on reducing crime or preventing the individuals at the Fort Dix incident from getting their firearms. They are criminals and will criminals will continue to act like criminals. Get used to it.

jlbraun
May 10, 2007, 12:28 PM
Can we have a SCOTUS affirmation of the 2A standard model already?!?

It would make proposing this kind of legislation as anathema as some city in Alabama bringing back Jim Crow laws ("This drinking fountain for whites only").

LAR-15
May 10, 2007, 01:22 PM
"I understand the intent of the law, and I might even agree with that intent," said John Peppas of Long Valley, who is part of the Revolutionary War re-enactment group, the 4th Light Continental Dragoons. "But I don't understand why they can't place the prohibition on the guns they want to prohibit, and not our replicas."

rev214
May 12, 2007, 12:04 AM
On Thursday, May 10, the New Jersey Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee decided to take no action on Assembly Bill 3494, sponsored by Assemblywoman Pamela Lampitt (D-6) and Assemblyman Peter Barnes (D-18). A3494 would drastically raises all firearm license and permit fees and would allow the Superintendent of State Police the discretion to annually reconsider fees for a manufacturer or dealer license, a carry permit, the firearms purchase I.D. (FID), and the pistol purchase permits.


The committee also voted 4 to 2 to amend Assembly Bill 3998, sponsored by Assemblymen Reed Gusciora (D-15), Michael Panter (D-12), and Robert Gordon (D-38), which would ban the possession of all .50 BMG rifles by declaring such items to be a “destructive device.”


Even though A3998 has been amended to exempt certain firearms from being banned, it is still a gun ban bill. A3998 has been referred to another committee for further study and amending.


Please take a moment to thank Assemblyman Brian Rumpf and Assemblyman Nelson Albano for voting against A3998 and standing up for our Second Amendment rights.



Assemblyman Brian Rumpf (R-9)
asmrumpf@njleg.org
Phone: 609-693-6700
Fax: 609-693-2469


Assemblyman Nelson Albano (D-1)
asmalbano@njleg.org
Phone: 856-696-7109
Fax: 856-696-7159

yhtomit
May 12, 2007, 12:39 AM
LAR-15: can you explain this one to me?

"IANSA is the enemy."

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I've been bugged for a while trying to understand what that acronym means.

timothy

obxned
May 12, 2007, 01:08 AM
.. and so it begins.

LAR-15
May 12, 2007, 12:58 PM
A NJ Dem voted against banning 50 calibers.........:)

IANSA= International Action Network on Small Arms

ohioarmedneutrality
May 12, 2007, 10:35 PM
"Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee" sounds surprisingly similar to:

The Committee of Public Safety (French: Comité de salut public), set up by the National Convention on April 6, 1793, formed the de facto executive government of France during the Reign of Terror (1793 - 1794) of the French Revolution. Under war conditions and with national survival seemingly at stake, the Jacobins under Robespierre, centralized denunciations, trials, and executions under the supervision of this committee of twelve members. The committee was responsible for thousands of executions, most by the guillotine, in what was known as the "Reign of Terror."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety

WeThePeople
May 15, 2007, 09:07 AM
Remember, the US Constitution only regulates what the federal government can do to you (or it is supposed to anyway) unless the SCOTUS applies the specific constitutional provision to the state governments. As of yet, the 2A hasn't been applied to the states by the SCOTUS.

As such, absent state constitutional protections, NJ citizens don't get to rely on the 2A for what the state government decides to do to them. I know; it seems as if the US Constitution should trump state constitutions, but it does not unless the SCOTUS specifically rules that the 2A applies to state governments as well.

It is unfortunate that the 2A is one of the last constitutional provisions to be applied to the states, but the delay is a result of decades of ignoring the reality of the 2A.

Correia
May 15, 2007, 12:04 PM
Guys, this is the activism forum. Don't clutter this up by complaining. Yes, we know it, and politics in general suck. But don't get distracted. Use this forum for taking action.

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