What about the Nicely amendment? The one that would allow carry in State office buildings? Was that real and did it make it?
May 9, 2007, 05:14 PM
For everyone who has questions:
There are no amendments - period - for Nicely's bill HB2184. You can look them up yourself if you do not believe me. It was a ploy by Briley.
Go to legislation and type in HB2184
May 9, 2007, 05:33 PM
Speaking as someone who spends a lot of time in state office buildings I was hoping that one was real. *sigh*
May 9, 2007, 06:57 PM
Here's my understanding of how this went down. The Briley amendment did exist, it was written and did add public recreation areas and civic centers. It was even referenced word for word in one of TFA's e mails. SomeKid is absolutely right, Briley wrote it without having any intention of attaching it to the bill.
There was some "chatter", if you will, about someone else possibly adding it back in at the very last minute, but obviously that never happened.
One really has to marvel at the lenghts some of these people will go to in order to advance an agenda. I mean here is the chairman of the Judiciary committee introducing an amendment to a bill. He sees that the story makes some of the largest newspapers in the state, tv, radio etc. Presumably he is ok with his voters thinking that he wants the amendment and even talks about taking heat for previous anti gun votes. And all the while the guy has no intention of adding anything because he is against the whole bill to begin with. Downright pathological.
May 10, 2007, 12:26 PM
According to this article in the Knoxville News Sentinal,
the Bill was passed with an amendment that required parks to post signs stating that it was OK for firearms to be brought onto state park property. Since it will take taxpayer money to put up the signs, the bill must be reviewed by another committee which will effectively kill it for this session. I looked the bill up on the state website and from what I can tell it passed with NO amendment. What is going on??
May 10, 2007, 12:36 PM
What is going on??
I suspect Naifeh got involved.
May 10, 2007, 02:53 PM
Go read post #6 again. News agencies have been mis-reporting this bill for a while.
It is being reviewed by another committee, but this is actually nothing nefarious. After a bill passes committees it has to be scheduled for time on the floor. IF we slack off it could be killed there, but we aren't slacking off, so I do not expect it to die.
There is another thread that has more detail, look for it in Activism.
May 10, 2007, 04:15 PM
I called a rep from my area earlier today and he told me the bill had two amendments to it. I can't remember what the first one was but the other he said was the one for posting signs on Park property. He did not sound too favorable on the chances of the bill getting to the floor with the spending on the signs to be resolved. He said there was still a couple of things that could be done to get it through but it would be tough, even with luck. He guessed it had maybe a 40% chance of getting through. Shoot, I told him if putting up signs was a problem because of money, just call all the gun ranges in TN and they could probably get all the signs put up for nothing.
And if anyone doesn't think this was a ploy by the anti crowd, just stop and think what this amendment required: Signs would be posted at all state parks saying it is OK to bring a gun onto park property. Now where in the world do you ever see a sign saying that? Why would it even be needed? Does any store or restaurant or any type of business put up signs that say "Bring your guns in here??"
I don't mean for this to sound like I'm arguing with you. I was just trying to get to the bottom of what happend and was getting different info from different sources. (I don't even know if the rep I talked to had the full story).
Stay in the fight.
May 10, 2007, 04:26 PM
The bill's sponsor said that Bailey had a voice vote on the amendment to require signs. Is it possible that the amendment was introduced via a similar voice vote, and has simply not been logged into the system yet? The status of the bill seems to indicate it was passed as amended to the next committee.
May 10, 2007, 05:00 PM
Signs would be posted at all state parks saying it is OK to bring a gun onto park property.
If this is true, then someone is indeed being retarded.
Laws require posting signs for "No Guns Allowed", not the other way 'round...
*sigh*.... It'd be a shame for me to have to shave, put on my good suit, and go pay the folks at Capitol Hill a visit, just to see what the heck's going on...
( You folks think e-mails and phone calls get attention? Try showing up in person some time. )
May 10, 2007, 05:34 PM
Regarding amendments. I just called Rep. Bell at home to get the exact story.
HB0132 has no House amendments. The Senate placed restrictions on where one could carry inside a park, but nothing about mandating signs. If the House passes their version w/o amendments the Senate will likely adopt the House version, which is good for us. 0132 does not have the amendment regarding signs.
Nicely's bill, HB2184, did have the amendment you were talking about before. It was placed on the House version, but not the Senates. (It is also worth noting, that Nicely's bill is likely dead. I do not like saying it, but I think it may be true.)
Even less pleasant, is admitting I was in error. When I checked 2184, they had not posted the amendments. Just goes to show, that you should always check what you read on the net, and check often.
May 10, 2007, 05:44 PM
It is also worth noting, that Nicely's bill is likely dead.
One, I hope you're wrong.
Two, if you aren't, is there any chance of "raising the dead"? Will enough pressure do it?
May 10, 2007, 05:59 PM
We tried resurrecting the dead a session or two past over restaurant carry. That bill had sixty-something co-sponsors, and Naifeh was still able to kill it.
Nicely's bill might survive, I am just not as optimistic about it as I am about Bell's bill.
Either way, we need to call committee members and tell them to support these bills. We might get lucky, and get everything we want.
May 10, 2007, 06:11 PM
What if a group of us showed up down there and went "door to door", so to speak?
I'm not joking here. A group of us could surely make a "personal appearance", couldn't we?
May 10, 2007, 06:17 PM
Check with others in that area who have the time and live close enough. It might help.
May 10, 2007, 10:22 PM
" Even less pleasant, is admitting I was in error".
Don't feel bad about that. Trying to keep track of what the "dark side"' in Nashville is doing behind the scenes is a job even Jack Bauer would have difficulty getting accomplished. You getting this thread started inspired me to make a lot of calls today that wouldn't have been made without your urging. Keep plugging away. One day we will win.
May 10, 2007, 10:54 PM
The Memphis paper had a less-than-supportive article today, complete with "the idiots will be shooting anything that moves" type quotes.
May 10, 2007, 11:27 PM
Check with others in that area who have the time and live close enough. It might help.
Well then, anybody who's close enough, and has both the time and the interest in paying our representatives a personal visit... speak up here, or PM me, and we'll see what we can arrange.
I don't know when the best time would be, but if we can get enough people to agree to one particular time, then we'll make it do the job.
I'm assuming that we'll need to get going pretty quick, however.
( Hey, if a bunch of horn-honkers can get an income tax defeated, surely a good-sized group of us can improve TN's carry laws. )
May 14, 2007, 03:46 PM
Just spoke to Nicely. He said that Najfeh would likely get the bill killed, but that 5-10 thousand phone or fax contacts would force him to reconsider.
Jimmy Najfeh's phone is 615-741-3774. Do you think we can organize a massive call-in thisweek?
May 14, 2007, 04:34 PM
I called Najfeh's office. They did not seem to supportive of me calling. I was not put through to him. A secretary named Rita? answered my call and said he did not support HB2184.
I stated that I was a Tennessee voter and I DID support passage of the bill and had hoped he would look at this bill again and support it.
I seriously doubt if they will even give him my message.
Now how many of you have called? It will take more than me and Oleg.
Also if you are like me and did not know how to pronounce his name it is spoken like Nafee. With a long A sound.
May 14, 2007, 04:36 PM
His last name is spelled Naifeh if memory serves.
May 14, 2007, 04:58 PM
I have just sent an email to Naifeh asking him to pass the bill.
TCB in TN
May 14, 2007, 06:03 PM
As did I.
May 14, 2007, 06:53 PM
I'm sorry but it's time for Naifeh to go. His job up there is to do the peoples will not what he feels like. He stopped us from getting restaurant carry. One reason I favor term limits. None the less time to email the guy and ask him to support HB2184
May 14, 2007, 08:36 PM
Naifeh won't go until the Democrat majority in the State House goes. Period.
While I am an Independent, and have misgivings about the GOP in TN (If you know who Sunquist was, you can figure out why), unless the GOP candidate is flat out bad, I vote GOP in state House races just to help one day see Naifeh gone from power.
May 14, 2007, 08:51 PM
Post his email addy here so we ALL can get a message to him.
May 14, 2007, 09:25 PM
Don't just email --- call and tie up their switchboard.
May 14, 2007, 11:42 PM
Yeah I know who Sunquist is. Well i emailed my reps. guess I will man the phone tomorrow....
May 16, 2007, 07:35 PM
Come on folks!! Lets get on the phone and call them! After you call report back here what they said. Lets keep the pressure on them!
May 16, 2007, 08:13 PM
Called each and every one today and sent the word out to another dozen folks to do the same.
May 17, 2007, 07:37 AM
Called. I was told they would add my name to their "list".
May 18, 2007, 07:36 AM
Do we also have a fax number? Reams of paper should help send a message.
May 18, 2007, 12:05 PM
I called all the numbers. C'mon all you lurkers, don't stand by and let everyone else work for you! It feels awkward at first, but gets much easier.
May 22, 2007, 06:25 PM
Any more info?
May 23, 2007, 08:15 AM
found this article which explains what happened last week
Passing this information on about HB1907. Plenty more work to do, so keep the momentum up.
Tennessee Governor Signs Vital “Castle Doctrine” Legislation!
Today, Tuesday, May 22, Governor Phil Bredesen (D) signed House Bill 1907, the “Castle Doctrine” self-defense bill, into law.
HB 1907, sponsored by State Representative Randy Rinks (D-71), would allow an individual to use deadly force to protect him or herself wherever they have a legal right to be. The bill also provides civil immunity for those who defend themselves from criminal attack.
We would also like to recognize and thank State Senators Doug Jackson (D-25) and Paul Stanley (R-31) for sponsoring the Senate version of this legislation.
Please contact the Governor’s office at (615) 741-2001 and your State Legislator at (615) 741-3511 and thank him or her for defending our Second Amendment right to self-defense.
To find further contact information or help identifying your legislators
please use the "Write Your Representative" feature found at www.NRAILA.org.
May 23, 2007, 10:12 AM
Guys comments on HB1907 Castle Doctrine.
How do you guys feel about it? I know the TFA opposes it as written.
Exactly what does this bill give us that we didnt have before other that immunity for civil litgation.
Does this bill allow one to protect their vehicles if they see someone breaking into it or am I thinking about some other bill or state
May 23, 2007, 11:53 AM
Here is what I sent
My name is Gerald McLawhorn, I live in Athens, Tn. I want to request that you support for HB 2184, I also want to request that you continue to work in favor of our rights and help to get this bill up for a vote and ultimate passage. I am sure you feel our rights as Tennesseans are extremely important.
Also, On the matter of gun "restrictions" I ask that you consider the "restaurant bill" while I understand not carrying in a "bar" I see no reason why myself as a law abiding citizen can't go out and enjoy a meal with my family with out feeling like a victim. With all the criminals that carry where they can and will (after all they don't care about the laws), I feel that the so called "gun free zones" need to be relabeled "free victim zones"
Again, Thanks for your support of HB 2184, please do all you can to help in passage of this bill.
I got 1 reply back so far,
I will NEVER vote to weaken our right to defend ourselves. Thanks for the email.
Rep. Judd Matheny
May 23, 2007, 12:09 PM
I have edited my message to reflect that I'm not sure of what is going on with this situation. I was under the impression that Mr. Bass was pro gun and was concerned with restoring our rights that have been removed or neglected through stupid laws. I have, since received 2 more "unread email" notices. I am beginning to wonder if we didn't basically blow their email servers up?
May 31, 2007, 01:55 PM
Any movement on this? I have not seen anything in over a week.
June 1, 2007, 01:24 AM
Both bills were killed. Not exactly a big shocker, thank you Democratic House Speaker Naifeh and his cronies.
June 1, 2007, 09:20 AM
Naifeh needs to go, we need term limits
June 1, 2007, 08:00 PM
0132 is dead for this session. It will be back next year. Likely for the same game.
2184 however, was re-referred, and is back alive.
June 5, 2007, 09:57 PM
Is the purpose of its reintroduction to add a mental illness record release requirement?