SAS System on BHP


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Wildalaska
January 8, 2003, 01:53 AM
Got an FN HP in the shop sporting a factory installed SAS system and I've been playing with it a little bit...its kind of fun...

My question is...has anybody really wrung one of these systmes out for durability? I know its similar to the Daewoo Tri Action but am just looking for some input as to anyone who has torture tested one...

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Handy
January 8, 2003, 01:13 PM
Is this the system that cocks the hammer when the "safety" lever is pushed down?

Cylinder and Slide has been selling their version of this thing for years. You could alway ask them.

How much did the gun cost (was the upgrade extra)?

Croyance
January 8, 2003, 02:19 PM
Perhaps somebody at the HiPower site (http://www.fnhipower.com) knows.

PCRCCW
January 9, 2003, 09:12 AM
I believe you mean the SFS SafeFiringSystem (from Cyl&Sld..anyway)....they are a neat design and work well. Ive seen them on HP's and 1911's. Ive never had them on a gun that Ive shot or owned...
This certain system is designed by Cylinder and Slide..and frankly you wont find a better maker of after market parts for both guns....
TOP NOTCH! The only thing it really changes..which is not critical to any mechanical system...is it allow the hammer to be moved forward..only at the time the safety is activated..as soon as the safety comes off the safety comes off..the the hammer goes back.
The OEM safety locks arent affected and shouldnt effect their operation.
This system is different than the DAEWOO triple action system...its a true double action....
The HP system is always pushing on the hammer..safety off the hammer goes back...s/a shot ready.
The DAEWOO system is not quite as "active"..you have to pull the trigger slightly to actvate it.....and it isnt effected by the safety.
Shoot well

Handy
January 9, 2003, 11:30 AM
Actually, Cyl&Sld is using a Browning license and the parts come from Belgium. The mechanism for the Daewoo is based on the same license. The main innovation is a mechanism that divorces the hammer from the mainspring. Take a look:

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/shooters.htm

On the HP, there is no safety lever. It is replaced with a cocking lever. The safeties are all automatic and applied when the hammer is pushed forward, then deactivated when the cocking lever is applied. The cocking lever appears to be the only way to re-cock the hammer as one of the safeties locks it.

1. Fast action came first. Not widely used by FN but adopted by Korea in the Daewoo.
2. SFS evolved off fast action for the HP. Also made by FN.
3. Cyl&Sld US distributer of FN SFS kits.

PCRCCW
January 9, 2003, 11:43 AM
Handy, well youre...er, ....Handy :D
Good to know....now that you explain it, it makes more sense.
The safety on the OEM FN HP I played with didnt activate when the hammer was moved forward.....you moved the hammer and then the safety....
Shoot well

Handy
January 9, 2003, 12:13 PM
Strange. This FN page makes it sound like only one action should be required:

http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm

Selfdfenz
January 9, 2003, 12:45 PM
about this system in the last Shotgun News.
Seems like a neat option. I have not used one but they look cool.
The SGN arti described the system on the 1911.
Take care,
S-

Harold Mayo
January 9, 2003, 01:35 PM
What is the point, though? Why mess with the perfection that IS a single action auto pistol?

:D

Handy
January 9, 2003, 02:02 PM
I dunno. What happens when a series 70 sear cracks through the pivot point when cocked?

Harold Mayo
January 9, 2003, 02:08 PM
I messed around with one on a hi-power that Bill Laughridge had at the big Tulsa gun show several years ago and it was a neat option but I saw no real reason for it and still do not. It's a gimmick, which is not altogether a bad thing, but it works reliably by all accounts. It's just that I don't see the point of complicating anything...

Selfdfenz
January 9, 2003, 02:37 PM
Chuck Cooper referred to douple action 45s as a great fix for a non-existant problem IIRC. Or something to that effect.
And I agree ........but I think it would still be cool to have one on one of my 1911s just for S---s and Grins. Hope I can say S----s.

S-

Coronach
January 9, 2003, 11:01 PM
While I agree that there is nothing bad, wrong, or unsafe about SA-only autos, many LEO agencies disagree, and will not allow their officers to carry one. This type of system might allow them to carry one.

Mike

Wildalaska
January 9, 2003, 11:51 PM
The FN pistols with the kit are about $100 more than the ones without.. On the factory ones, they use the SAS (or SFS, the FN box calls it the SAS) slide stop which is hideous...the kits give you the option of course of leaving it off.

Bill Laughridge wasnt in today but his crew told me they ran 5000 plus rounds through the kit without a hitch....

I may install one on my new C series..it is gonna be a backup gun anyway ( to my custom FN) in my NY rig :) :)

Gabe
July 20, 2004, 02:59 AM
I just had to dig this one up from the grave.

This system seem very promising for existing DA/SA pistols. I wished they had conversions for other platforms like SIGs and Berettas.

One thing I am concerned about. What if you holstered the pistol with the safety off and forgot about it. When you draw again you may be under the impression it's still double action resulting in a unintentional discharge. For this reason I think police departments would be concerned over the liability.

RatFink
July 20, 2004, 05:04 PM
Bump, cuz I'd like to know if Wildalaska ever installed one of these and how it worked.

cratz2
July 20, 2004, 08:36 PM
I had a blued Springfield Loaded that came with the SFS system... I just wanted something new to play with... :p I'm not completely familiar with the difference between the SAS and the SFS or whether it's just a different name.

On the Springfield, it worked as promised, and for someone that wants to carry a single action pistol with basically the identical manual of arms as a standard 1911 but without the hammer being visibly cocked, it's worth a look. I highly doubt I'll own another one, but I had no problems with mine.

For those that are unfamiliar, with the 1911 SFS version, you rack the slide which leaves the hammer back, then you manually lower the hammer by simply pushing it forward then holster the weapon. On the draw, you simply press the standard thumb safety down as you normally would and the hammer springs rearward and is single action. Like I said, basically exactly the same operation as a standard 1911 except that you press the hammer forward before holstering rather flipping the thumb safety up.

Wildalaska
July 20, 2004, 08:56 PM
Al, our head sales guy, is an instructor (including for an Amroed Car comapnY) and he uses aSFS high power for training...

He loves it...

WildikindoflikeitooAlaska

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