I was surprised to see that the Navy uses the 228, I think it was. What other branches use them and when did they start using them? And what models?
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January 8, 2003, 11:30 AM
Navy SEALS use P226s in 9mm.
January 8, 2003, 12:04 PM
The 228 is the M11 and I believe it is available to any military personnel.
January 8, 2003, 12:44 PM
The M11 (228) is a secondary service pistol. It was adopted for use by those with small hands, or for concealed use by ALL branches. My last Navy helicopter squadron had only M11s, so they've been distributed fairly widely.
The 226 does not have a military designation and is used by the Seals like the Stoner rifles, G3s, MP5s, PPKs, S&Ws and P9Ss of the past-they got them because they wanted them.
January 10, 2003, 05:25 AM
It is my understanding that the P226 in USN service is known as the Mk 24 Mod 0.
January 11, 2003, 07:36 AM
The Air Force issues the M-11, Sig P226 (I think) to Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI). They are the only ones in the Air Force who can get them as far as I know.
I have fired them several times to qualify (have to qualify on anything I instruct with), and I personally don't care for them.
I don't like the trigger on the military Sigs...and since we can't tweak them, I will stick with the Beretta.
January 11, 2003, 08:03 AM
I've seen M11s (P228s) carried by AF SPs (usually female) at different bases so it is definitely not limited to AFOSI. I've shot both as well and like them both, but I lean toward the M11--strictly in terms of personally preferring the size and ergonomics of the more compact M11.
January 11, 2003, 09:28 AM
I won't discount your seeing female SF carrying the Sigs, but I will say that SF are not authorized to have Sigs at all.
The only SF authorized Sigs are Combat Arms, for training purposes.
Maybe they borrowed a few from AFOSI to let the females use. I know this was the case several years ago, when I tried to get a few for female SF troops, but were turned down from Depot and HQ AMC. We never did get our CATM Sigs either.
January 11, 2003, 07:59 PM
These were on an AETC bases and were both really small young ladies. It may have been a MAJCOM thing or just plain necessity.
January 12, 2003, 10:29 PM
It is my understanding that the P226 in USN service is known as the Mk 24 Mod 0
Actually, IIRC that designation is for the .45ACP HK USP full size. There is a civilain version available, but I don't remember the model name.
January 13, 2003, 01:20 PM
The HK is the Mk23, not 24.
January 14, 2003, 12:45 AM
I have a military ccw for duty using the M9. Although I qualify expert, I'd prefer to carry my Sig P239 in 40; I just like the gun better, shoot it better, and it conceals under a flight suit more easily. However, the M9 is prefereable to the S&W junk revolver that we had in WW Gulf. Hey, what model was that anyway??
I remember it having adjustable sights, and it could fit in a flight suit chest pocket; and they were largely worn out.
January 14, 2003, 12:54 AM
Army Criminal Investigation Division guys carry the M11s. Navy SEALs like to use the P226 nowadays.
The Mk. 23 Mod 0 is availalbe for about two grand to as the HK SOCOM.
January 14, 2003, 02:27 AM
IIRC, there are less than 5,000 M11 pistols in service with the U.S. military... Shame.