Californians that swore not to buy handgun again...


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10-Ring
January 8, 2003, 05:51 PM
8 days into the new year, how is your resolve? I ran into a guy today that swore he wasn't buying another handgun...his pick up date is the 14th :rolleyes:
Anyone else off the wagon already?

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Sactown
January 8, 2003, 06:56 PM
Heh, would like too, but the cash flow or lack of it is hindering the collection. BTW: Called DOJ and they're revising the residency requirement so a wider range of documentation can be used to establish residency.

Lone_Gunman
January 8, 2003, 07:13 PM
I have not been keeping up with foreign news lately, what has happened in California?

Plan-B
January 8, 2003, 07:30 PM
I'm very interested in finding out what documentation they're now going to include to prove residency.

J.Gillespie
January 8, 2003, 09:39 PM
I have been saving my tip money for a new couch for when I move into my new house in a few months. Well, that's the way it was supposed to go.....looks like I will be buying myself a new G36 instead. The floor isn't THAT hard anyway. :D

"Hi, welcome to my home. There's a nice spot on the floor in the corner to sit but HEY! look at my G36!"

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI
January 8, 2003, 10:14 PM
Since the last gun I bought before the deadline was a 1911, I don't really need anything else. My resolve is holding just fine.

4v50 Gary
January 9, 2003, 12:21 AM
I never swore never to buy another handgun. Guess I'll buy a Glock compact this year. May buy a rifle action too.

Kahr carrier
January 9, 2003, 01:24 AM
Why stop ?? Thats what Sarah Brady wants you to do.:neener:

Skunkabilly
January 9, 2003, 02:42 AM
How can I stop with the P2000 on the way?

AZFred
January 9, 2003, 01:41 PM
but I just can't help myself. My resolve faded about a week ago when I looked through one of the gun rags at some pretty pieces. Guess I'll just have to suck up, pay my money, and take the new test... :D

Of course, I feel good knowing that once I take this test, I will a much safer gun owner! :rolleyes: :cuss: :rolleyes:

bountyhunter
January 10, 2003, 06:16 PM
If we don't buy any more guns, that means they won.

We have met the enemy, and they are us.

Duke of Lawnchair
January 10, 2003, 10:09 PM
If we don't buy any more guns, that means they won.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I'm stopping by my local dealer next weekend to puchase a new "toy".

Frohickey
January 11, 2003, 12:36 AM
Nope.

I'm an oak. I will never buy another handgun in ********** where I have to submit myself to a thumbprint.

Besides, buying a handgun would cut down on the downpayment of another kind of gun the antis don't want me to have... a 50BMG!!! :D

larryw
January 11, 2003, 01:15 AM
Already have.

Thumbprint? They got that when I got my driver's license; silly using that as an excuse to let Feinstein/Boxer/Davis/Brady/O'Donnel win.

But downpayment for a 50 is a valid reason to wait. :D

Beren
January 11, 2003, 01:53 AM
Maybe Pelosi will force the CA DOJ to accept Mexican ID cards as valid proof of ID, like she's doing elsewhere.

Airwolf
January 11, 2003, 02:12 AM
Let me get this straight... The Gestapo in Sacramento is so afraid that people are sneaking INTO the Occupied Territory to buy handguns that they are demanding proof of residency???!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey! Isn't already a federal law that one has to provide a picture ID when purchasing any gun from an FFL dealer?

Commencing January 1, 2003, no handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation indicating that he or she is a California resident. Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed, or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice. The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.

That's it. There are no execptions allowed. What this does is prevent a roomate, BF/GF living together, adults living with their parents from purchasing.

Oh, you still need a valid California DL since they use the mag stripe to register your firearm in Sacramento. Great, huh? The DL doesn't count as proof of where you live but is still mandatory.

It's just a steaming pile of BS to annoy people enough not to purchase. Again, if you let the "smell" keep you from the gunshop, they they've won, pure and simple.

Jackanape
January 11, 2003, 05:06 AM
I thought I wasn't going to purchase another handgun because of the thumbprint business. This all changed on the 4th when I bought an IAI M1 Carbine, and I was informed that the thumbprint, and proof of residency requirement applied to ALL firearms purchases, not just handguns. I couldn't believe it, so I checked out the CA DOJ website, and sure enough, it's true. Well, the fat's in the fire I guess. As long as I had to submit a thumbprint for a rifle, I may as well buy more handguns. In fact, I'm going to step up my firearms purchases this year, as I can't be too sure that the brain trust in Sacramento won't pass some even more draconian laws next year...

bad_dad_brad
January 11, 2003, 11:03 PM
larryw,

Honestly, they take your thumbprint in CA to get a drivers license? What, are you a criminal if you want to drive! That is just insane.

Shane
January 11, 2003, 11:09 PM
I thought I wasn't going to purchase another handgun because of the thumbprint business. This all changed on the 4th when I bought an IAI M1 Carbine, and I was informed that the thumbprint, and proof of residency requirement applied to ALL firearms purchases, not just handguns.

Are you sure?

I know the thumbprints are required for long guns. But, when I looked at the DOJ site, it only mentioned handguns as needing "proof of residency". Did they recently add long guns too?

Airwolf
January 11, 2003, 11:26 PM
This all changed on the 4th when I bought an IAI M1 Carbine, and I was informed that the thumbprint, and proof of residency requirement applied to ALL firearms purchases, not just handguns.

Effective January 1, 2003, requires each person taking delivery of a firearm from a firearms dealer to provide his/her right thumbprint on the Dealers Record of Sale form (PC 12077).

Effective January 1, 2003 requires each firearms dealer delivering a handgun to obtain proof of residency from the handgun recipient. Satisfactory proof of residency may include a utility bill from within the three months prior to the delivery, a residential lease, a property deed, military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the DOJ. The firearms dealer is required to retain the residency documentation as proof of compliance. Failure to comply may result in removal of the firearms dealer from the Centralized List of Firearms Dealers (PC 12071 (b)(8)(C).

Shane
January 12, 2003, 01:19 PM
So that would suggest only handguns need proof of residency.

I bet some dealers misunderstood the law and thought long guns need proof of residency.

Inoxmark
January 12, 2003, 02:31 PM
There may have been a developement on proof of residency requirements. This is from CA DOJ website:
33. What documentation is acceptable to demonstrate proof of residency for handgun purchasers?

Under Firearms Division policy and soon to be proposed in regulations, firearms dealers may accept any of the following:


Utility bill reflecting services to a fixed place of residence. The utility bill must bear on its face both of the following:
1.The name of the transferee
2.Either the residential address declared on the DROS form or the address as it appears on the transferee's identification.

Residential lease that bears both of the following:
1.The name of the transferee
2.Either the residential address declared by the transferee on the DROS form, or the address as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID.

Property deed the bears both of the following:
1.The name of the transferee
2.Either the residential address declared by trhe transferee on the DROS form, or the address as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID.

Government-issued (city, county, special district, state or federal) documentation that has all of the following:
1.The name of the transferee as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID.
2.The name of the transferee as the transferee declares on the DROS form.
3.The residential address of the transferee as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID or the address update attachment to the driver's license/identification card.
4.The residential address of the transferee as the transferee declares on the DROS form

That last part about government-issued documentation must be new. Anyone cares to speculate on some examples of this documentation and suggest how would an average citizen get one? No "letter from IRS" jokes, please ;)

Now for the really fine part. Even though this law does not provide exemption for LEOs, they are still exempt:

34. What proof of residency are peace officers required to provide to the firearms dealer?

Under Firearms Division policy and soon to be proposed in regulations, peace officers, including reserve and retired peace officers, may present valid credentials issued by their employing law enforcement agency in addition to their DMV ID in lieu of the other required residency documentation. This consideration is given to peace officers who do not want to provide documentation of their residence address for security reasons and who otherwise do not object to having their credentials copied by the firearms dealer for inclusion with the DROS record.

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dlrfaqs.htm#33

Gewehr98
January 12, 2003, 02:48 PM
Civil disobedience is alive and well in the PRK. Wonder how much money the DOJ has budgeted to nip it in the bud? ;)

Inoxmark
January 12, 2003, 03:06 PM
Gewehr98,
Every law in CA apply to private party sales, since they must go through FFL dealer. Only exemption is 1 HG/month rule that does not apply to PPT.

Gewehr98
January 12, 2003, 03:30 PM
We all know about **********'s Draconian laws with respect to private-party transfers.

It doesn't take the sharpest knife in the drawer to figure out how the majority of the private party transfers really occur, does it? Hence my statement about civil disobedience. :cool:

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