Click to Recall Joaquin Jackson!!


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Jeff82
September 18, 2007, 09:55 PM
NRA Voting Members, Call To Action!!

Here it is: Petition to Recall Joaquin Jackson (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JD85YJX2)

This is a hot link so you click it and it should download to your computer. It's a Word doc.

You'll get the first page which is the petition and two follow on pages with additional info as to why I'm doing this. (If you've followed this thread on GT then you already know. )

Feel free to post this link in other places. Be sure you "copy shortcut" to get megaupload address!

If there are any problems with the link PM me so I can contact the file storage site.

Get this around to gun shows, clubs, ranges etc. We need to act fairly quickly as this needs to get in in time to make the print deadline for the next annual meeting. We've got about two months.

Remember, we need 450 total, with a minimum of 100 from three states to qualify.

Can we make this a sticky for the next two months or so? Thanks.

Now also available right here in pdf thanks to Stevemis!!

If you enjoyed reading about "Click to Recall Joaquin Jackson!!" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Jeff82
September 19, 2007, 10:43 AM
488 dl's* and counting! Keep it rolling!

*as of edited time below

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Virginia - 2

dogrunner
September 19, 2007, 02:32 PM
May I suggest you post this on the FloridaShootersnetwork.com.....you ought to pick up a bunch of signatures there as I've seen plenty of commentary just after the issue became public knowledge.

Jeff82
September 19, 2007, 07:10 PM
You got it! Just signed up and am waiting to be validated.

eta: (can't edit the one above anymore)

505 dl's* and counting! Keep it rolling!

*as of edited time below

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Virginia - 2
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damien
September 19, 2007, 07:14 PM
What, I am supposed to download a .DOC by a 5 time poster? I don't think so. What is this all about?

Jeff82
September 19, 2007, 07:31 PM
I understand your concern. If it makes you feel any better go to

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=758385

and check it out there. I spent most of my "posting" life on GlockTalk and you can see more of "me" there. Also another fella has downloaded it and reported back that it was virus free and then gives details of his current AV software.

To see more about me you can go to www.myspace.com/jeffr82 (largely put together by my wife).

Search my nic "Jeff82" on GT and you'll see all kinds of stuff I've posted over the years. Including some of my trip to Iraq pics!

Also check out

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=750091&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=5

Page five of the thread and see my comments on that page. It'll bring you up to speed on what this is all about.

Stay safe,

Jeff

lamazza
September 19, 2007, 09:36 PM
I'm not a five year guy, but I hope you get him ousted.

stevemis
September 20, 2007, 08:20 AM
For those of you who don't have Word or don't like downloading and opening Word documents... I've made a PDF. It's attached.

Steve

MaterDei
September 20, 2007, 08:47 AM
I'll complete mine today. Thanks for taking the time to do this Jeff.

Jeff82
September 20, 2007, 12:58 PM
Great work Stevemis! I'll go back and try to put this on the other forums I've got this on.

Thanks MaterDei! Glad to have you on board.

514 dl's* and counting! Keep it rolling!

*as of edited time below

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Virginia - 2

Creature
September 20, 2007, 01:14 PM
You should be seeing my signed petition in your mailbox in short order...

TexasRifleman
September 20, 2007, 03:31 PM
Sent mine out last night.

So at this point does it appear there will be enough to remove Zumbo II here?

ClarkEMyers
September 20, 2007, 03:51 PM
Disagree in no uncertain terms. Further I don't think this is the High Road Approach - YMMV.

Clark E Myers
Patron Member and I have no illusions the NRA is perfect - I was at Cincinnati and a few other fights from time to time.

WSM MAGNUM
September 20, 2007, 04:30 PM
What good will this petition do now. He can`t be fired from the board. The best thing to do is vote him out when the next Board election comes up.

30 cal slob
September 20, 2007, 04:45 PM
What good will this petition do now.

At the very least, send a message, loud and clear.

WSM MAGNUM
September 20, 2007, 05:06 PM
Very true, but the NRA has already caught a lot of flack over this. I read an article from Gun Law News about this. Here it is.

In politics, it is all about perception. And this is politics.

When speaking as an individual, you are free to speak as you wish. But, when you start an interview flaunting your status as a member of the NRA Board of Directors, you have a responsibility to choose your words carefully and represent your constituents.

There are 79 members on the Board of Directors. That means that each one has very little power, if any. It also means that the NRA has a difficult job controlling what they say. But, they have a responsibility to not stab the organization in the back.


The board is elected by the membership. BoD members can not be fired. But, the membership should be able to hold a recall vote.


Joaquin Jackson is a former Texas Ranger and has published a biography. His resume and style all give him substantial credibility in the media.

Jackson advocated magazine limits for assault weapons. He did not define 'assault weapons'. His advocacy of magazine limits for assault weapons is in direct opposition to the NRA's stated position and the belief of gun owners across the country. It also plays right into the hands of gun control groups.

The bottom line is that Joaquin Jackson either meant what was on tape, did not communicate clearly or was a victim of editing.

If Jackson meant what was on tape, he does not support the NRA's position and should not be reelected to the NRA Board of Directors.
If Jackson communicated poorly, he has no business putting himself front and center as a spokesman for the NRA.

If Jackson is just a victim of editing, his rebuttal is two years late in coming. He and the NRA should have addressed this issue as soon as it appeared.

Do I buy Jackson's explanation? It does not matter. Joaquin's actions have weakened the power of the NRA. His membership on the BoD should come to an end.


Should the gun owning public shun the NRA for the ill advised words of one member of the BoD? Absolutely not. The NRA is the most effective gun rights advocacy group in Washington.

Finally, any gun rights organization that attacks the entire NRA for the actions of one member of the board should be looked at very skeptically. This fight should not be within the movement. It should be with those that would infringe on our rights.

30 cal slob
September 20, 2007, 05:10 PM
whatever. i'm sending in my letter shortly, feel free to do what your conscience dictates.

dogrunner
September 20, 2007, 05:56 PM
Jeff82:...................mine's on the way but I still have not seen your post on FSN...........

And for those of you that have reservations, the post is legit, and Joaquin damned sure NEEDS jacked up.

I'm also retrd LEO/CLEO, I wrote my objections to the matter and I REMAIN unsatisfied with the reply that Jackson allegedly wrote. Personally, after hearing his commentary I am convinced that someone else did that for him, he's simply not that literate.

The recall is a good idea and ought to be pushed. This is precisely the sort of thinking that got us, the NRA, into the mess surrounding the Whittington Center when that bunch of cowards on the board at the time tried to turn the NRA into a "sporting" advocacy group..................Screw Jackson!

benEzra
September 20, 2007, 06:39 PM
This is precisely the sort of thinking that got us, the NRA, into the mess surrounding the Whittington Center when that bunch of cowards on the board at the time tried to turn the NRA into a "sporting" advocacy group
Could somebody elaborate on this? It was apparently slightly before my time.

Jeff82
September 20, 2007, 09:11 PM
WSM Magnum: Yes something can be done. He can be recalled this spring. Or you can choose to wait until 2010 to vote him out at the end of his term. Your choice. Also the article is wrong on the number of directors. There are 76. 25 are elected each year for three year terms and you've got to be a Life or 5+ year member to vote for them. The 76th director is elected for a 1 year term and the entire membership can vote for that director.

dogrunner: was waiting for validation notice but didn't get one. Went there to check after reading your last and was able to post!! :)

To All: I've got quite a bit more typed out on GlockTalk. If you need more information (convincing) read the thread (still just one page) at http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?postid=8956343#post8956343

523 dl's as of edited time.

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
California - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
North Dakota - 1
Virginia - 2

ClarkEMyers
September 20, 2007, 09:34 PM
Could somebody elaborate on this? It was apparently slightly before my time.

Rifle Group Ousts Most Leaders In Move to Bolster Stand on Guns
By REGINALD STUART Special to The New York Times
May 23, 1977, Monday
Page 16, 1018 words
CINCINNATI, May 22 In one of the most far-reaching shake-ups in the 107year history of the National Rifle Association, voting members of the organization ousted today most of their top elected and paid officials.

In my view the best coverage was in Gun Week both in the run up and after the fact. Much of the Gun Week ownership and staff was also active at the meeting. Neal Knox in the Wolfe publications also did a fine job before, during and after. Bob Kukla, Les Fields, Jim Valentino and others from Illinois were especially active. Top Topmiller was also active in the NRA during this period. Harlon Carter had just retired and was to some extent above the fray. Carter of course came back in a unity movement. Max(well) Rich was the man voted out of the job currently occupied by Wayne LaPierre.

Bob Kukla pretty much opened the argument - which had been long anticipated and prepared for by most of the membership at the meeting - with some tape recordings which stirred up a hornets nest.

Some of the contemporary discussion by Neal Knox can be found in the Handloader all issue full text DVD available from Wolfe Publications (notice that's the name not the ownership a d/b/a both Dave Wolfe and Neal Knox have left the range) I don't know about backissues of Gun Week and of course the NYT is available in libraries and on the web.

Sadly in later years insiders who had themselves perhaps benefitted from a member's revolt made it harder for members to revolt - in particular at an annual meeting in Seattle some years later.

It seems to be an iron law of bureaucracy that any organization will eventually be operated by people who seek to further the bureaucracy rather than the professed goals of the organization and further that people who seek to further the bureaucracy will write the rules of the organization. (hat tip Dr. Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy) - Hence Jefferson's far sighted remark on the need for repeated revolution. I'd say the NRA should be shaken up however I also hasten to note that I understand and believe Ranger Jackson was speaking of a 5 shot plug on a hunting rifle much like a 3 shot plug on a shotgun - that there is much that ought to be done with respect to the NRA and nothing that need be done with respect to Ranger Jackson regardless of how the interview was done and how the tape was mixed.

dogrunner
September 21, 2007, 01:08 AM
Clark, you really need to do a review of the video of Jackson at that interview.....there is utterly no doubt that he's referring to the "black rifle" issue, not plugged shotguns!.....He says as much.


Pretty good synopsis of the revolt, and the followup fallout.....Knox, in my view was one of the outstanding heros of that time and sure got short shrift treatment tho. I also fear that you are right on when you state that in the end bureaucracys really do evolve to the point that their ultimate goal is their own survival....sad, but true.

The thing that really smokes me re: brother Jackson is precisely his fall back on his credentials for legitimizing his stance.....especially when he sits on that board as a supposed representative of us all. I wrote a personal note and even included my home px and add. with zero reply.....And I'm one of the Chiefs that did the Newsweek national ads for the NRA advocating FOPA in 86'.............I took heat for that to the point that I even got editorialized against by name in the N.Y. Times, but I was damned proud to do it.........What Jackson has done is ride a political self serving horse to all our detriment...........and I am SURE he receives a substantial remuneration for his board position......I say try the recall!

scout26
September 21, 2007, 01:30 AM
In the mail today. I read and saw what Jackson said. We do not need people like him "fighting" for our rights.

Jeff82
September 21, 2007, 05:29 PM
So at this point does it appear there will be enough to remove Zumbo II here?
Right now I'm at 451 downloads from the megaupload site. Yesterday I finished adding a provided (thanks stevemis!) pdf copy to the sites that would allow it. I don't know how many of those dl's have occurred. I'm hoping that many of these are being copied and distributed at gun stores, ranges, clubs and among friends. I hope others are copying the links and putting them in places I'm unaware of.

So, as of right now I don't think we've got enough. I'd be surprised if 100% of the signators are accepted. Hopefully though it will only be 1-3% (4-13 people based on 451 total) that are invalidated for whatever reason.

I think the 450 part will be easy. The hard part is getting 100 from three different states.

I've not yet received any petitions yet but when I do I'll start adding the count by state. Where we are strong we could get members of state organizations to post at their level.

Remember fans, this is the proper procedural process for the NRA to clean it's own house. If the petition succeeds it merely means that the entire voting membership will get the opportunity to be heard, by their vote, on the issue. Mr. Jackson and I will have the opportunity to write a (up to) 500 word essay that will be included with the special ballot. (and I thought I'd never have to do that in the"real world"! ha!)

I hope you all have checked out the dialogs on GT concerning this. (links above)

TexasRifleman
September 21, 2007, 06:23 PM
Yeah I have been reading the thread on GT.

The part that gets me most is that because these comments were made a good while back people are willing to overlook it.

Just because this guy hasn't said anything since then doesn't mean his core beliefs have changed. If they had you'd think he would be out evangelizing that fact.

I had never heard of Mr Jackson before this, and I have never heard of Jeff here either until this thing came up.

Is Mr Jackson aware of a storm building against him?

Jeff82
September 21, 2007, 07:56 PM
Yeah I have been reading the thread on GT.

The part that gets me most is that because these comments were made a good while back people are willing to overlook it.

Just because this guy hasn't said anything since then doesn't mean his core beliefs have changed. If they had you'd think he would be out evangelizing that fact.

I had never heard of Mr Jackson before this, and I have never heard of Jeff here either until this thing came up.

Is Mr Jackson aware of a storm building against him?I think so. I sent a copy of the petition, which has links, to Jim Land, NRA Secretary. He said he'd send it on to Mr. Jackson. He needs time to prepare his 500 word statement if he chooses to prepare one.

As long as we get the required numbers there will be a recall vote. The only thing the Hearing committee does is look at the issue and prepare a statement in support or not. If split they'll prepare two statements, a minority and majority view. These will accompany the two 500 word statements with the ballot when it is sent to the membership this Spring.

I've spent most of my online time on GT. This forum and others I've been visiting lately are new for me to post in although in most I set up my account years ago.

Cheers!

stevemis
September 21, 2007, 10:38 PM
Great work Stevemis! I'll go back and try to put this on the other forums I've got this on.

Thanks! Making PDF documents is really easy on a Mac. You click "Print" and then in the print options "Save as PDF". Poof, magic.

I'd happily sign, but I'm just a plain jane member of the NRA.

I hope this ultimately succeeds and the NRA can get back to doing what it's supposed to be doing..

Steve

alsaqr
September 23, 2007, 06:36 PM
i never voted for Mr. Jackson because i do not trust law enforcement folks who i do not know to represent me on the NRA Board. Jackson was re-elected to the board this year. The next chance to get him off the NRA Board will come in 2010.

Jeff82
September 23, 2007, 11:30 PM
i never voted for Mr. Jackson because i do not trust law enforcement folks who i do not know to represent me on the NRA Board. Jackson was re-elected to the board this year. The next chance to get him off the NRA Board will come in 2010.

IF the recall doesn't work. The next chance to get him off the board is going on right now by means of a recall petition, as provided for in the NRA Bylaws, Article IX.

Jeff82
September 25, 2007, 12:15 PM
589 dl's as of edited time.

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 1
New Jersey - 1
North Dakota - 1
Texas - 1
Virginia - 5


Any one particularly successful at copying then distributing these petitions?

I'm trying to get an idea about how many are out there. 525 isn't going to cut it. We'll need (I'm guessing) at least 2,000 in order to get the "100 in each of three state" minimum if we depend purely on the downloads.

This will require several successful attempts at gun shows within one state, x three.

JohnBT
September 25, 2007, 02:40 PM
Wouldn't it be less work to educate the man? Just a suggestion.

John

Jeff82
September 25, 2007, 02:49 PM
Wouldn't it be less work to educate the man? Just a suggestion.
The guy's got 36 years in Law Enforcement, what could I say to him that will change his mind?


And, you might say, I am not educating him as much as others who may hold his positions dear.

Bottom line is it's not my place to force anyone to believe what I want. I just don't want folks who believe as he does to represent me on the Board of Directors of the NRA. He's made his choices freely, so have I.

Jeff82
September 25, 2007, 10:56 PM
589 dl's as of edited time.

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 1
New Jersey - 1
North Dakota - 1
Texas - 1
Virginia - 5

Any one particularly successful at copying then distributing these petitions?

I'm trying to get an idea about how many are out there. 525 isn't going to cut it. We'll need (I'm guessing) at least 2,000 in order to get the "100 in each of three state" minimum if we depend purely on the downloads.

This will require several successful attempts at gun shows within one state, x three.

JohnBT
September 26, 2007, 06:00 PM
"The guy's got 36 years in Law Enforcement, what could I say to him that will change his mind?"

I don't know, but it wouldn't hurt to ask him what it would take. Might be a lot less work and we'd end up a better Director on the Board.

I thought the idea was get MORE gun owners working together, not to thin the ranks until we're down to the true believers.

John

Jeff82
September 26, 2007, 07:38 PM
I don't know, but it wouldn't hurt to ask him what it would take. Might be a lot less work and we'd end up a better Director on the Board.

I thought the idea was get MORE gun owners working together, not to thin the ranks until we're down to the true believers.

John

I believe that's why this line (or something very similar) is mandated to be in the petition (the inner quotes); "This petition “may be withdrawn by the sponsor without notice to, or approval by, the signators.” NRA Bylaws, Article IX, Sec. 2 (b) (4)"

If Mr. Jackson and I were to come to terms this allows me to discontinue my effort.

Now this has become an effort by more than just me. I am effectively the conduit of the voices of hundreds (and hopefully thousands) of NRA members who are tired of waffling, counter-productive, (might I say backstabbing?), appeasing, elitists who claim to do my bidding then turn around and decide what's best for me. I find this particularly galling when it comes from a person who has sworn to "protect and defend" the Constitution and should know better. In fact, I'm sure they know better and yet have decided to run contrary to the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment. To go even a step further to turn around and concoct a lie in a feeble attempt to cover it up is especially enlightening as to what real core character values reside in the "inner man".

Now my name and address is prominently printed on each and every petition, one of which was delivered to Mr. Jackson by Mr. Jim Land, NRA secretary. I have yet to receive his call (I'm in the book) or letter to work anything out. I don't expect it. As I'm speaking now for many I wouldn't short circuit this effort on a mere whim. Matter of fact, short of his voluntarily stepping down I'm sure I won't withdraw this petition. This message needs to be heard.

Possibly even of more importance to completing this action against a board member who has run afoul of the Constitution and the Bylaws of the NRA, is the clear shot across the bow for future board members who choose to narrow the 2nd Amendment on their own. My wish is that this "house cleaning" will only have to be done once. But if this fails, and the forces of appeasement see weakness in the "politically incorrect gun crowd" they may become emboldened to sacrifice "black guns" (and their brethren) on the alter of "bidding time for sportsmen and hunters." You're either for all firearms or you're for none. (Re: Martin Niemoeller's quote.)

Now is the time to see just where we are. I will not leave the NRA but depending on how this goes will determine where I spend any future donation moneys.

As far as getting more members, how many have we lost because of the hair-brained compromise positions the NRA has taken in the past? I'm not knocking them and I am a big supporter of (because of some of the NRA's Quisling positions) the GOA, 2AF, KABA, CCRKBA, etc., but they are in existence precisely because the NRA started waffling and playing politics with 2A issues. How many potential NRA members are there?

Jeff82
September 28, 2007, 12:01 AM
Okay folks, California and Virginia are tied in first and pulling away... can ya catch 'em?

Jeff82
September 28, 2007, 08:58 PM
Welcome New Jersey!! Now, get your buds on board and try and catch Virginia. She's walking away from the pack. California, eat her dust!

Jeff82
September 30, 2007, 11:48 AM
639 dl's as of edited time.

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Connecticut - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 2
Nebraska - 1
New Jersey - 1
North Dakota - 1
Texas - 1
Virginia - 5

JohnBT
September 30, 2007, 05:43 PM
"In fact, I'm sure they know better and yet have decided to run contrary to the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment."

You're sure? Absolutely sure? You've spoken to the man? Who is this they you speak of? I thought the petition was about one person.

John

Jeff82
October 1, 2007, 10:35 AM
You're sure? Absolutely sure? You've spoken to the man? Who is this they you speak of? I thought the petition was about one person.

In reverse order:
One man:
This petition is attempting to recall one man. The message the petition sends is to all current and future gun rights "leaders".

The "they":
Let's read the pertinent parts in context, (the sentence immediately preceding the "In fact.." sentence which because of the structure of the sentence would indicate to most that the "In fact" sentence is adding to or at least referring to the preceding sentence):

"I find this particularly galling when it comes from a person who has sworn to "protect and defend" the Constitution and should know better. In fact, I'm sure they know better and yet have decided to run contrary to the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment."

Therefore the "they" in the second sentence refers to those that swear to an oath to "protect and defend" the Constitution. Anyone taking an oath to protect and defend the Constitution (very noble, although this should be the standard and should be expected by all citizens of this country, or they should leave as they are not worthy of the country) should care enough to understand to what they are swearing to. Not understanding the Constitution after 3 plus decades in law enforcement and serving on the board of THE preeminent gun rights organization this world has ever seen indicates one of two things, neither good. Ignorance of the USC-BoR or a divergent belief in what the document professes. Personally I don't want or think it's good to have LEO's "protecting my rights" when they don't know what they are and even worse is an LEO working against the USC-BoR because his beliefs don't follow it. Both apply to serving in a leadership position in the NRA too. You, or Mr. Jackson, will never convince me that he was ignorant of the meaning and intent of the Founding Fathers. Granted, governments and bureaucracy's breed incompetence but I will not give Mr. Jackson the benefit of that doubt. I will give him full and complete credit in that as an experienced adult with decades of law enforcement experience he knew exactly what he said when he said it. He has said what he has said. His explanation isn't adequate and dodges the issues of the original statement. His third explanations, given via email to folks that emailed him (at least the ones I've been in contact with), don't make any sense in context to the original statements either. There is no reason for me to talk to him at present. He's pretty much laid it all out himself. I'm simply asking for a "reality check" on this.

I'm sure?
Of this, I am sure.

Jeff82
October 2, 2007, 09:16 PM
Didn't get to the mail box today. I'll add petitions tomorrow.

Jeff82
October 3, 2007, 10:22 PM
One man shouldn't be able to remove a board member. I can't. Only with many men in agreement should this be able to happen.

That said, this petition will not work by just the folks that I contact signing up (1st order effect). To get the numbers we need we'll need to "network." The people you talk to (2nd order) and the folks they talk to (3rd order) and so forth, will be needed for this to work.

I've had well over 600 downloads to date. Sooner or later most of those will come in. yet so far, I'm only getting a trickle, 1 or 2 a day. Over the last four days I've only gotten 2 and they're for the most part spread out over many states. We need to get at least 100 in each of three states to validate the petition. I'll need to see which states are closest so we can redouble efforts to ensure the right numbers. I'll bet the vast majority of voting members haven't a clue that this petitioin is going on. It'll require ALL of us to bring it up at our local clubs, ranges, in the field, even the grocery stores. All the voting members should, at the very least, be made aware of this so they can make a decision to support this or not. I can't do that alone. It takes you too. Not to convince them, but simply to provide a choice.

One man won't (and shouldn't) be able to take out one board member. But many men, in agreement, can.

cabinboy
October 3, 2007, 11:13 PM
ATL GA here. I'm in; will print and mail tomorrow.

Have people reached out to no-compromise groups like GOA, JPFO, GeorgiaCarry, GrassRootsNorthCarolina, and others?

I'll ping the ones I know and belong to; others?

Jeff82
October 4, 2007, 08:20 AM
ATL GA here. I'm in; will print and mail tomorrow.

Have people reached out to no-compromise groups like GOA, JPFO, GeorgiaCarry, GrassRootsNorthCarolina, and others?

I'll ping the ones I know and belong to; others?
Sounds great! I haven't sent anything to those groups. Sounds like a grand idea. I've posted on about a half dozen+ forums and hoped it would spread from there. Here's where it's gone so far (that I know of) and where I've been keeping the numbers updated daily:

ak-47.net
ar15.com
floridashootersnerwork.com
glocktalk.com
militaryfirearm.com
oa2.org
tacticalshooting.com
thehighroad.org
ambackforum.com
and the president of Norfolk County Rifle Range (Virginia) sent it out to his email list.

It'd be a BIG help to get this to other places/groups!

ravencon
October 4, 2007, 09:56 AM
My petition is on its way to you from Massachusetts.

I've been an NRA Life Member since 1991.

cabinboy
October 4, 2007, 09:58 AM
It's up here and am encouraging others to distribute it elsewhere:

http://www.rwva.org/yabbse/index.php?topic=3857.

Will also blog about it later today here:

http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/

Suggest also that people pass it onto the gunblog community - every place that howled about Zumbo oughta be howling about this....

Jeff82
October 4, 2007, 11:15 PM
790 dl's as of edited time.

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Connecticut - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 2
Nebraska - 1
New Jersey - 1
New York - 1
North Dakota - 1
Pennsylvania - 2
Texas - 1
Virginia - 5

Jeff82
October 5, 2007, 08:04 PM
Bad news: Only 3 petitions received this week. :confused:

Good news: 138 new downloads this week!! :D

Jeff82
October 6, 2007, 07:23 PM
2 more states, 3 more petitions!

Jeff82
October 7, 2007, 08:56 PM
Had a great day today. Went and shot in a USPSA match put on by Tino with the Fredericksburg R&GC with stage design by the folks from Shooter's Paradise. Tons of fun and as there were 5 classifier stages I shouldn't have to shoot "Unclass" (No class? haha) anymore!!


835 dl's as of edited time!!

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info, got it Texas!)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Connecticut - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 2
Massachusetts - 1
Nebraska - 1
New Jersey - 1
New York - 1
North Dakota - 2
Pennsylvania - 2
Texas - 2
Virginia - 5
Washington - 1

Jeff82
October 9, 2007, 08:05 PM
North Dakota is really pulling someone else's slack as they are 48th in size in the Union!

From one of my posts on GT:

quote:
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Originally posted by TexasFats
I am afraid that they won't--until it is too late to do any good. Life member or not, I an going to join GOA and SAF. No sense in putting all of our eggs in one basket.
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I agree with that too. I just stroked a check yesterday to GOA for my Life membership there.

But the clout that 4.3 million Americans can have is just too big a prize not to fight for...

My favorite animal is the Cape Buffalo. It is noble, resists domestication, looks for no trouble but engages it when trouble finds them. They reclaim their own. When in danger protectors (adults) of the herd all stand shoulder to shoulder and project a united front against the danger. This is what I'd like to see happen with the pro-gun groups.

I propose to found the "Cape Buffalo Society". An association of groups/folks dedicated to uniting in a cooperative effort, reclaiming our 2A rights.

This will be a closed door round-table for leadership/spokesman members of all the gun groups to come and to discuss the varying view points on the different issues and hopefully come to consensus; and supporters. Thereby showing a united front to the rest of America and the world. Enough of the sniping at each other. Divided we will fall.


Let me introduce you to the cast of characters in our story below:

-The mighty Cape Buffalo: responsible, US Constitution following gun owners, the Militia (as designated by USC)
-Baby Buffalo: our wives, children, families, or even our Rights
-The Lions: socialists, communists, leftists, anti-gunners, the Disarmers
-The Crocodile: criminal opportunists, attackers of the weak and unarmed

Our Story as Illustrated by our Creator's Nature (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM)

Seeing the parallels in this video durn near brought tears to my eyes.

ConstitutionCowboy
October 9, 2007, 11:31 PM
Downloaded, filled out, and will go out in tomorrow's mail.

Woody

JasonblkZ06
October 11, 2007, 06:10 AM
You should try these boards too:

www.rimfirecentral.com
www.snipershide.com
www.snipercentral.com
www.gunforums.com
www.cz-forum.com

Then the HK one is huge too. I'm not a member of any of these boards but rimfirecentral, but I have browsed them before.

Jim Diver
October 11, 2007, 05:39 PM
California sent...

Jeff82
October 11, 2007, 10:45 PM
925 dl's as of edited time!!

The hard part will be getting 100 per at least three states.

38 Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info, got it Texas!)
Alabama - 1
California - 4
Colorado - 1
Connecticut - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Indiana - 1
Kentucky - 1
Maryland - 4
Massachusetts - 1
Michigan - 1
Nebraska - 1
New Jersey - 1
New York - 1
North Carolina - 1
North Dakota - 2
Oklahoma - 1
Pennsylvania - 4
Texas - 2
Virginia - 6
Washington - 1

Jeff82
October 13, 2007, 03:02 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen,
There have been many downloads. Nearly 900. But I've only received 30+ petitions back. (Haven't checked yet today. Wifee will be home later and she's stopping by the box.)

Now I don't know if the "other" side of this argument has started dl'ing to boost the numbers to cause my (our) side to think their vote is not needed, that someone else can do it, but please do not let this stop you from voicing your choice in the matter. Every vote counts and every vote is needed. It's important to let the Board know just how much support is out here for this point of view. We don't want to be marginalized.

So if you have been meaning to send your petition in do it. If you know of vote eligible folks that haven't had the chance to learn of the situation, bring it up and discuss it. Take action if you agree.

I'd like to get the petitions to NRA HQ by mid Nov. That will ensure they've got the time necessary to do the things they need to by the bylaws. We can wait a little bit more but then we're cutting into our "safety margin."

Petitions are up, 8 in the last two days not including today, so maybe we're 'turning the corner' so to speak. Don't count on someone else to do it, you take action.

Let me count on you!! You can on me!

cabinboy
October 14, 2007, 10:23 PM
My take is here:

http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2007/10/principles-principals-agents.html

Even if Ranger Jackson is as true as his "repudiation" makes him out to be, he should welcome the recall election as a vote of confidence.

More importantly, the real message recipients are the NRA head honchos - if we can muster the strength to force this issue.

Pass the word, and sign/send the petitions.

Jim Diver
October 15, 2007, 04:51 PM
Will be taking copies to my rifle club tonight.

Jim
You also have a email Jeff.

Jeff82
October 15, 2007, 11:17 PM
Got it Jim!

980 dl's as of edited time!!

The hard part will be getting 100 per in at least three states.

43 Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info, got it Texas!)
Alabama - 1
California - 4
Colorado - 1
Connecticut - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 3
Indiana - 1
Kentucky - 1
Maryland - 4
Massachusetts - 1
Michigan - 1
Minnesota - 1
Mississippi - 2
Nebraska - 1
New Jersey - 1
New York - 1
North Carolina - 1
North Dakota - 2
Oklahoma - 1
Pennsylvania - 4
Texas - 2
Virginia - 6
Washington - 1

Jim Diver
October 16, 2007, 01:38 AM
Count in 4 more from PRK. Just stamped them and sent them off.

RobZ71LM7
October 16, 2007, 10:01 PM
1 is headed your way from KY.

Jeff82
October 18, 2007, 11:17 PM
**Important Info**

I've combined efforts with several others. A blog has been created to handle this whole JJ debacle. All the updated info will be there.

recalljoaquinjackson.blogspot.com (http://recalljoaquinjackson.blogspot.com)

I will be updating that single site instead of trying to keep the dozen+ forums I was posting in, updated. That took about an hour and that was if there were minimal new posts to reply to.

I will try to answer new posts as they occur but I won't be updating the numbers here any longer.

Thanks to All!!

Warty
October 19, 2007, 02:25 PM
I just joined this site and when I found this recall, I sent it in as well.
Mark another one down from Indiana!

I am also a Lifer for the GOA and JPFO as well...

Jeff82
October 19, 2007, 06:13 PM
I just joined this site and when I found this recall, I sent it in as well.
Mark another one down from Indiana!

I am also a Lifer for the GOA and JPFO as well...Glad to have ya!!

cabinboy
October 21, 2007, 03:31 PM
There's a "Wanted" poster available to print and pass along your paths:

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2007/10/wanted-poster.html

30 cal slob
October 22, 2007, 05:30 PM
*bump*

i sent mine in already ... i'll make a few more copies and see if i can leave a few at some of the ranges i frequent.

-slob

Jeff82
October 24, 2007, 11:34 PM
bump

Gene Beasley
October 26, 2007, 01:04 PM
Another Washington in the mail yesterday and another possible from a guy at work.

Jeff82
October 26, 2007, 04:35 PM
Another Washington in the mail yesterday and another possible from a guy at work.:)

Warty
October 26, 2007, 08:16 PM
What are the currrent totals and how well is the campaign proceeding?
I hope we can get this bum voted out!
I am keeping my eye out for the ballot I will get a voting member for the vacancy. :)

Jeff82
October 26, 2007, 10:08 PM
All info is updated daily at http://recalljoaquinjackson.blogspot.com

Right now we've got 133 petitions back, top three states are California (16), New York and Pennsylvania (tied 9 ea), and North Carolina and Virginia (tied 7 ea). We need 450 total with 100 from each of three states minimum.

Good news is we have 1,373 downloads of the petition from the Megaupload site, and around 200 of the pdf downloads. An unknown number have been copied and distributed.

If these would come back we'd be alot better off. We've only got a few more weeks before we need to make the drive to NRA HQ...

Let your buddies know!

.cheese.
October 27, 2007, 05:45 AM
I wasn't even aware of this issue really until now. I had read his name posted a few times, but didn't read the details or see the video.

He needs to be kicked out - yesterday.

How do I add my name to this list? I'm an NRA member, and I'm assuming that's all that's required?

Jeff82
October 27, 2007, 11:09 PM
I wasn't even aware of this issue really until now. I had read his name posted a few times, but didn't read the details or see the video.

He needs to be kicked out - yesterday.

How do I add my name to this list? I'm an NRA member, and I'm assuming that's all that's required?Hopefully you are a voting member which is either a Life member or an Annual member with at least 5 years consecutive membership. If so you can fill out a petition and send it to me. All info is in the petition and on the http://recalljoaquinjackson.blogspot.com website.

If not, you can still help by getting the word out to those who are vote eligible. Maybe post some "Wanted" posters at your range club etc? (All on the website.)

Jeff82
October 30, 2007, 11:34 PM
It's not too Late! Just don't Hesitate!!

If you haven't already, get your petition in to recall Joaquin Jackson from the NRA board.
recalljoaquinjackson.blogspot.com

30 cal slob
November 5, 2007, 10:44 AM
*bump*

Alakar
November 6, 2007, 12:30 AM
Just found this. Mine is mailed.

Edit: I also posted the info on AR15.com and the AKForum.net

Warty
November 6, 2007, 10:59 AM
I posted "Wanted" posters at my range and at all the gun stores except Gander Mtn.
They said they don't get involved in that sort of thing. :rolleyes:

I hope you get some more from Indiana at least from this, the guy needs to feel the heat.

I find it pretty sad that the public can band together to save a TV show (Jericho) but when it is something that can make a difference, like voting in a Presidential election or fighting for their Constitutional rights, they are too busy. Probably too busy watching all those TV shows they have saved...

Jim Diver
November 6, 2007, 11:26 PM
California with 26 and the next highest is 9.... Never say California does not do it's part.....

Jeff82
November 7, 2007, 07:34 AM
California with 26 and the next highest is 9.... Never say California does not do it's part.....Well.... 26% of it's part! yuk yuk :)

(We do need three states with 100 each... :( )

dalepres
April 20, 2008, 02:01 PM
The NRA has always been more about protecting our right to have guns to hunt with than protecting the 2nd Amendment.

When I was growing up, all the men in my life hunted. And all belonged to the NRA. And all got American Hunter magazine. And all of them thought that gun ownership was about hunting. That's always been the lens through which I have viewed the NRA.

Jeff82
April 20, 2008, 02:14 PM
The NRA has always been more about protecting our right to have guns to hunt with than protecting the 2nd Amendment.

When I was growing up, all the men in my life hunted. And all belonged to the NRA. And all got American Hunter magazine. And all of them thought that gun ownership was about hunting. That's always been the lens through which I have viewed the NRA. I think they are moving ever so slowly to the right to include handgun protection and have been fairly active of late in pushing "shall issue" concealed carry law. Not as far right as I'd like to see but movement to this end is better than none at all.
:)

Art Eatman
April 20, 2008, 03:54 PM
Reporter: "Do you think people NEED a thirty-round magazine?"

Responder: "No, but that's no reason to worry about them."

Article: "So-and-so said that people don't need high-capacity magazines."

Audience: "Boo! Hiss!"

JohnBT
April 20, 2008, 04:44 PM
"The NRA has always been more about protecting our right to have guns to hunt with than protecting the 2nd Amendment."


I'm sorry, but you obviously haven't studied much about the history of the NRA. Just for openers, let's start with the founding of the NRA...

"Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church."

Nothing to do with hunting.

"The NRA's interest in promoting the shooting sports among America's youth began in 1903 when NRA Secretary Albert S. Jones urged the establishment of rifle clubs at all major colleges, universities and military academies."

Still no hunting.

"In response to repeated attacks on the Second Amendment rights, NRA formed the Legislative Affairs Division in 1934. While NRA did not lobby directly at this time, it did mail out legislative facts and analyses to members, whereby they could take action on their own. In 1975, recognizing the critical need for political defense of the Second Amendment, NRA formed the Institute for Legislative Action, or ILA."

No hunting.

"Incidentally, the NRA's call to help arm Britain in 1940 resulted in the collection of more than 7,000 firearms for Britain's defense against potential invasion by Germany (Britain had virtually disarmed itself with a series of gun control laws enacted between World War I and World War II).

After the war, the NRA concentrated its efforts on another much-needed arena for education and training: the hunting community. In 1949, the NRA, in conjunction with the state of New York, established the first hunter education program. Hunter Education courses are now taught by state fish and game departments across the country and Canada and have helped make hunting one of the safest sports in existence. Due to increasing interest in hunting, NRA launched a new magazine in 1973, The American Hunter, dedicated solely to hunting issues year round."

There you go, the first hunter ed course in 1949 and then the American Hunter magazine in 1973 (the year I finished grad school FWIW.)


"been fairly active of late in pushing "shall issue""

Of late?? "29 new right to carry states since 1987"

I could go on in detail, but I believe I've made my point.

John

hso
April 20, 2008, 05:09 PM
Good point and a good place to end this drift on a resurrected thread.

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