1911; still can't decide.


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Sisco
January 9, 2003, 03:08 PM
My next purchase will be a 1911. Why? Because I've never had one.
Just when I thought I had my mind made up as to which one to get, doubt began to creep in.
Should I:
Get a mil spec and gradually make improvements myself? Which one, Colt or Springfield? Any improvments made would be done at the kitchen table because I like to do stuff myself.
Go ahead and get a Springfield Loaded model and be done with it.
Kimber was on the list but out of my budget range.
Suggestons to go buy a Glock will be ignored. :D

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Keith
January 9, 2003, 03:51 PM
Kimber is the same price as Springfield as long as you choose a gun with the same options.

Kcustom45
January 9, 2003, 04:07 PM
It's been awhile since I looked, but when I was looking at 1911's a Springfield loaded was about the same as a Kimber Custom. If that still is the case I would vote for Kimber. I have had my Kimber Custom for almost 2 years now and I love it, and I have never had any problems with it. If the Kimbers are more expensive then I would have to vote for the Springfield loaded.

Ledbetter
January 9, 2003, 04:12 PM
It will be way cheaper and easier and you will screw your gun up less if you choose a "package" with the features you want. Resale of a "gunsmith improved" gun can be iffy.

I own three 1911s, one in each barrel length. A Colt Officers', Colt Commander, and Springfield Mil-Spec.

As far as I am concerned, unless you are building a "race gun," all you need to add to a 1911 are your favorite sights, some grips you like and a couple of extra mags. If, and only if, the grip safety presents problems, replace it with one that is comfortable, reliable and snag-resistant.

My answer is get the Colt if you don't mind spending the extra money over the Springfield. Good luck and shoot safe.

Sisco
January 9, 2003, 04:25 PM
I should have added to the first post what I'm after here.
I just want a good shooter; no competition, no CCW.
Ledbetter listed the mods I would make, maybe add a drop-in beavertail.

10-Ring
January 9, 2003, 04:38 PM
There is alot of value associated w/ the Loaded Springfield 1911. For the $$ (especially if you plan to do the mods down the line anyway), I'd go w/ the Loaded SA.

DeltaElite
January 9, 2003, 05:06 PM
I'd go for either one of the mil-spec guns.
Half the fun of a 1911 is to customize it to your liking.
It also allows you to get in at a lower price and add to the gun as your funds allow.

LeadPumper
January 9, 2003, 05:30 PM
When I tried to solve this riddle of steel myself, I ended up with a migraine.

Best recommendation I can give is this, try them all.

Yep, thats what I said; TRY THEM ALL. I mean go to the store and rack slides and field strip 'em and pull some triggers and so on.

*** you ask? Glad you asked! Build quality can be such a variable on 1911's that two of any kind sitting side by side won't feel or act the same. Why? Don't know. What I do know is that when I went looking over a year ago, I found that getting a hands on feel was essential for getting a gun I liked.

Some Springfields were smooth (triggers, slides) others I could barely rack. Some kimbers locked up tight, others rattled like a can of rusty nails. Colts followed no rhime or reason that I could disearn.

I settled on a Kimber Custom Classic Matte Series II. Cause it was the best fit, finish, and trigger of the ones I had laid hands on in my area.

Now go forth and do us proud.

-LeadPumper

Keith
January 9, 2003, 05:31 PM
I just went on gunsamerica to compare prices. The bottom of the line new-in-box blued Colt 1991a1 goes for about $525. A new-in-box blued Kimber Custom II with all the mods you'd want is $622.

The difference in price just isn't that much when you consider what even one modification will cost you! Just installing a beavertail will cost you $150 - $200 or more when you add the gunsmithing and rebluing charges to it! Sights, $100. Lower and flare ejection port, $200. Match trigger, $75 - $100. match bushing, slide to frame fit, premium barrel.... it just goes on and on!

With the basic Kimber (or Springfield) you get ALL of that and much more, for only a $100 more!

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976291673.htm

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976089920.htm

Keith

blades67
January 9, 2003, 06:31 PM
If you're just looking for a good shooter, get a Charles Daly 1911. For about $400 you'll get everything you're looking for in a 1911 without having to make any changes, or needing the services of a gunsmith.

ruger357
January 9, 2003, 06:36 PM
Go with the Colt.

WhoKnowsWho
January 9, 2003, 06:51 PM
I like my Charles Daly a lot more than my friend's Colt. If you can't pitch up the amount for a Kimber Classic, I would say spend $350 and get a Daly. With the Lifetime warranty and such, it should be good as a first 1911.

Sisco
January 9, 2003, 06:53 PM
Wish I could change the wording on the poll.
Talked to the dealer, he said a Kimber Custom II would be very close in price to the Springfield Loaded.
The only thing he had in stock when I was in there last were Eclipse II's. One pretty gun but out of the price range I can handle right now.

GoldenLoki
January 9, 2003, 07:11 PM
Wait until you can afford the Kimber.

I've never regretted buying the best, I have often regretted NOT buying the best.

Besides all you would do with the extra money is eat, pay bills or some other such silly thing : )

GL

tetchaje1
January 9, 2003, 08:26 PM
Look into the new Dan Wesson 1911s first... :cool:

Kahr carrier
January 9, 2003, 11:31 PM
Springfield Loaded.:)

Shmackey
January 10, 2003, 01:31 AM
Kimbers and Springers cost the same for the Custom or Loaded models, respectively. Pick up one of each and buy the one that's fitted better.

I have no problem with the newer Colts except for the jiggly plastic trigger, which is an abomination.

Climb14er
January 10, 2003, 01:36 AM
External extractor, beautifully made, top components, priced right, matched barrel.

makarov
January 10, 2003, 01:42 AM
If you are not a fan of the external extractor check out the Dan Wesson Pointman Major. Great gun for the money. They are also coming out with one called the Panther which has the external extractor and is more "tactical" looking. Either gun should be around $600 or so. The Panther might be less. Their website leaves a little to be desired, but worth checking into these guns.

For cheap, I have also heard good things about the Rock Island Armory guns. $350 from the Dealer Warehouse (check out Shotgun News).

Keith
January 10, 2003, 02:15 PM
If your dealer wants to charge you that much for a Kimber, I'd look for a new dealer!

Just buy one on gunsamerica.

Keith

dude
January 10, 2003, 03:37 PM
as a Dan Wesson snob............... be sure to check these out first!!

http://www.danwessonfirearms.com/

Sisco
January 10, 2003, 03:53 PM
I believe the decisions been made. Kimber Custom II, $650. That's his cost plus 10% & shipping.
I'd like to check out the Dan Wessons, but they aren't available locally. Really doubt he'd order one in just so I could feel it.

Ledbetter
January 10, 2003, 04:01 PM
That sounds like a good deal and I'm sure you'll be happy with it. Until you start to want to change it.

You know you're a gun nut if . . .

you pay money to have a "loaded" 1911 upgraded.

:evil:

Sisco
January 10, 2003, 06:20 PM
Did a quick check of Gunsamerica & Auctionarms, cheapest I saw for a Kimber Custom was $590. By the time you add shipping & FFL transfer fees there's not much of a savings. Not enough to bypass a local that I do a lot of business with anyway.

tdow
January 11, 2003, 06:29 PM
If you get the Springfield Loaded, you will have an entry level weapon that, from a distance, looks like a more expensive pistol. The fit and finish leaves a lot to be desired.

If you get a Colt, you will have the basic 1911, in a fairly well executed form.

--tdow

Tony Z
January 11, 2003, 06:46 PM
You would do yourself a great favor if you were to look at the new line of Dan Wesson 1911's. These guns are built to better tolerances the the Kimbers.


Tony

http://www.gunsnet.com/pointman7.jpg

Sisco
January 11, 2003, 06:46 PM
New Kimber Custom II should be in my hands by this time next week.

michael misener
November 6, 2007, 07:05 PM
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1man
November 6, 2007, 07:18 PM
Loaded Springfield,
My buddy just bought an Ed Brown Special Forces model and had a problem with the safety being lodged to the point were the safety didn't work and the gun locked up some-how! No gun should ever have a problem like that especially after someone drops 2-grand for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

98C5
November 6, 2007, 08:38 PM
Another here for Springfield Loaded. I have the Lightweight Bi-Tone model with nite sites. I always loved the full-sized 1911's, but they are heavy. The Springfield was the cure for this. I absolutely love this pistol!!!

I attached the specs on this one.

GreyJacket
November 6, 2007, 08:56 PM
Gosh, I too have this dilemma. On one hand a Colt 1911 is the "real deal"...
On the other hand, the SA Loaded is a great value!

My suggestion is to rent a few and see which model you like best. Seeing them in the flesh also tells a lot about the pistols' quality, weight and feel.

Good luck to w/e you decided.

eldon519
November 6, 2007, 09:04 PM
SA is known for great customer service which is nice to know in the somewhat uncertain world of 1911s.

19-3Ben
November 6, 2007, 09:13 PM
WTH? Why did we bring this thread back from the dead. this guy was looking for a 1911 nearly 5 years ago!!!!!!. If he is still deliberating, he is the least decisive person I've ever heard of!!!!

BullfrogKen
November 7, 2007, 03:16 AM
Closed. This thread died 5 years ago, and the shooter already got the gun he wanted.

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