I made a "not fully researched" impulse buy (It's a Sig)


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Onslaught
January 10, 2003, 11:24 AM
I finally sold my boat this week, so I had some spare $$$ to spend on a new pistol. I've been researching the S&W CS40 in depth, and had decided to buy one. I invited Dad along, and we drove 55 miles to the biggest gun shop in our area (Barrow Automotive in Butler GA) where they had a NIB CS40 for $389.00!!! I was all ready to whip out the cash, until I held it... the grip felt AWEFUL. I felt like I was trying to squeeze a size 11 foot in a size 10 shoe :eek: I played with it for 30 minutes, trying to get over the "squished hand" feeling, but couldn't do it. So I checked out every other pistol they had, but found nothing in .40 that I liked. (They did have a Colt Pocket9, but I wanted a .40 on this trip).

So I went home empty handed and disappointed, dropped Dad off at the house, and headed for the Daycare center to pick up my little girl. I decided to stop off at a local shop that I NEVER go to, because they're usually $HIGH$ and not very friendly, but they have guns that nobody else around here carries...

There was a NIB Kahr K40, matte black, that I had my eye on at gunbroker.com, and was going to bid on when I got home, but there lay a matte black "Demo" model Sig 239 in the shop case for $499. I've owned several Kahrs already, and just sold a stainless K40 not long ago. The K40 fits my hand better than any other compact pistol I've ever seen, but I'm still a little annoyed with Kahr right now, and I wanted a TDA pistol anyway.

Surprisingly, they also had a new employee that was extremely polite, helpful, and patient, so I stuck around... I looked the Sig over, and it did feel good in my hand. It was a tad longer in height than the Kahr, but overall size was close. It felt almost as good as the Kahr, even though the grips on the Sig were plastic. It's also a bit heavier, but not by much.

At first, I made my blind offer of $450 through the guy at the counter, and he talked to the owner and got back to me with a $475 counter offer. When the owner walked by, I said "are you sure you won't take $450 for it if I pay cash right now? Other wise, I'll have to think it over...". He said he'd go half, at $462.50, so I forked out the cash ($490-ish after tax) and went home with a Sig.

Of course, this is completely unusual in that, I didnt come here first for advice, and price check, and I didn't make a comparison chart to stare at for a week like I usually do when trying to decide on which pistol to buy.

Any way... to wrap up a looong story that coulda been shorter, HOW'D I DO? Was that price decent for a "Demo" model in what appears to be very good shape?

Anything I won't like about the Sig?

Unfortunately, they didn't have a K40 at this shop, so I couldn't compare directly... but from memory, I didn't notice much difference. Anybody else with direct K40-239 experience?

Thanks for stopping by...

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Marko Kloos
January 10, 2003, 11:42 AM
The P239 is an *excellent* choice, one of the best CCW pieces currently on the market. My old P239 in 9mm was the most accurate handgun I've ever owned or shot. They're very accurate and totally reliable...and thanks to the short and slim grip, easy to carry and conceal.

$460 and change is a very good price. Around here, they run over $500...I paid $480 for mine back in 1999, so I'd say you did OK.

If you want to improve the grip on the P239, look into Hogue grips. Even the rubber ones will improve the grip to perfection for big-handed guys...but for a dress-up, choose the hardwood monogrips. They feel great and look gorgeous.

SodaPop
January 10, 2003, 11:48 AM
Well I have the money to get a $475 Sig 239 but my dryer broke and I have to get one of those instead.:fire: :cuss: :banghead:

Mal H
January 10, 2003, 12:01 PM
At least you know that if an impulse buy is a new SIG, it's almost impossible to go wrong.

Nice choice. :)

Caliber? I assume it is a .40 since you were looking at that in other guns.

Onslaught
January 10, 2003, 12:10 PM
Caliber? yes, it's a .40.

I've been reading through the other 239 threads here, and it sounds like I did make a good choice. Of course, I'm not a handgun newbie, so I wasn't completely in the dark about Sigs. I just never really wanted one before, despite their great reputation.

The only negative I see is, I've read 2 or 3 posts of guys who like their Kahr K40 better than their Sig, or that the K40 feels smaller than the 239...

Makes it tough since that was my other choice... But I suppose I could just buy the Kahr too, and decide which one I like better :D .

Thanks for the positive input!

pogo2
January 10, 2003, 01:05 PM
You really can't go wrong buying a Sig, and I think your price on the P239 was quite good. The Sigs are the most "shootable" and accurate of the commonly-used carry guns, in my opinion. They are also about perfect out of the box, and don't need a lot of tinkering or aftermarket stuff to improve them.

10-Ring
January 10, 2003, 01:25 PM
How'd you do? You went home w/ a new gun, you did great! Congrats:cool:

Onslaught
January 10, 2003, 01:43 PM
I do have a question for you 239 owners. Most of you recommend the Hogue grips for the 239, and I am a big fan of hogue grips myself. BUT, in this particular case, are the Hogues much thicker than the plastic factory ones? One of the biggest things I noticed about the K40 compared to the P40 was that the thick Hogue grips were more noticeable when seated. They just seemed to find this one spot in my back and push on it until it almost cramped... I'd definitely prefer them, but I don't want to end up taking away the slimness of the little Sig's grip area.

I just went to lunch, and stuck the Sig in an el-cheapo Uncle Mike's IWB holster, just to feel it out. I wore my gun belt this morning in anticipation of this. Felt great! It was nice and flat, with no poking spots, and aside from the less than 100% secure feeling the UM tends to have, I couldn't really feel it back there at all.

If I do decide to hang onto it, I'll be investing in another Comp-Tac Shirt Tucker. IMHO, the most comfortable IWB I've ever used... I don't know though... that FIST #1 Kydex IWB looks mighty comfy, and more stable too... :scrutiny:


Once again, thanks for the input!

firestar
January 10, 2003, 07:29 PM
"Well I have the money to get a $475 Sig 239 but my dryer broke and I have to get one of those instead."

Sodapop, that happened to me just before the last gunshow. I thought I was going to have to spend $300-400 on a new dryer and not on a gun.:banghead: I figuired since it was allready broke, I could break it anymore by taking it apart and trying to fix it. I was desparate to save the money for a fun gun and not a un-fun dryer. It took me a half a day but I was able to fix it for $15.00!!!! Yeah! I bought a AK with the money saved.

BTW, what is wrong with it?

jame
January 10, 2003, 08:11 PM
Carrying the 239 IWB with a Hougue grip could feel a little thicker than the standard plastic grips, but I carry in a Kramer MSP paddle, and find it very comfortable.

Ya done good.

Kahr carrier
January 10, 2003, 11:17 PM
Good Choice the fun part is the dicker.:)

Frohickey
January 11, 2003, 12:34 AM
No.... you made an extremely bad purchase of a Sig P239/40SW for $462.50.

You should immediately sell it to me for $462.50, and get yourself something else. :D

Sigs are notoriously bad. They come from the factory, pregnant. Only thing you don't know is when they will give birth to another Sig. :neener:

Marshall
January 11, 2003, 01:47 AM
Hey, you paid less than they were asking, you bargained well, you have a dang nice gun and if you like it, you did damn good!
;)

SodaPop
January 11, 2003, 02:18 AM
And now my fuel pump on my car went. $571 down the drain. I didn't even have that for a Sig 239.

What next?

Prodigalshooter
January 11, 2003, 12:26 PM
I put the nice wood Hogue grips on my 239 and it did feel fatter. So, I sanded and sanded till I had almost the same profile as the factory plastic. Now they don't "feel" fat anymore and they look even better, as I refinished with tung oil, which I like better than Hogue's finish and it is a less slippery one too.:D

jimmy
January 11, 2003, 01:08 PM
IMHO, the best bet for buying a gun on impulse is a SIG!

Same way with buying a gun sight-unseen. SIG's are among the few guns I'll have my dealer special order for me, because their quality control gives me confidence that I won't have to eat a lemon. ;)

JeepDriver
January 11, 2003, 03:24 PM
I have the 239 in 9mm and love it. As far as the hogue grips go I'd recommend them for the 40/357 guns. IMO the 9mm doesn't require them. Mine goes bang every time and shoots stright. I've only fired 1300 rounds so far but everyone of those rounds has fired the frist time. Most of those rounds have been FMJ but I have fired about 150 or so of JHP Gold Dots without a problem.

Congrats on the new gun, great choice.

Combat-wombat
January 11, 2003, 04:04 PM
Why not get a good 'ol ppk? Sure, the .380 isn't as powerful as a full-power 9mm, but it's a classic and it's compact. S&W now manufactures them, so you know its good. Less than $500!

Combat-wombat
January 11, 2003, 04:06 PM
O crap, I was on the wrong thread, sorry!

DeltaElite
January 11, 2003, 04:14 PM
You did good. :D
The Sig is a great gun, better than the Kahrs IMHO, not that the Kahrs are bad.

Now get a 357Sig barrel and have even more fun.

HadEmAll
January 12, 2003, 11:31 PM
My opinion after having both is that the K40 carries better, feels better in my hand and has a better trigger. Seriously better. The P239 carries 1 more round. Both have been wonderfully reliable.

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