Remington Model 10


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SigArms226
July 25, 2003, 09:57 PM
Greetings - one of the moderators suggested I drop by this section with my following question. Any help would be appreciated! i have attached a couple of the f/u notes to my original post also. thank you!
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Is there anyone out there with information on these old guns made 1908-1929? I have the owners manual, and the weapon just seems very cleverly designed, but also very hard to figure out how everything goes together. any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Specifically, information on parts schematics, gunsmithing, take-down/up tips & instructions...It seems very difficult to take apart, and near impossible to put back together! Gun's in good shape- prob 80-90%.

TIA!



Dave McCracken
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The mavens on Harley's Forum will have more input. It's been decades since I've seen one in the field. Well made, great machining, but as complicated as Sicilian politics.

Note that some, maybe all, were chambered for 2 9/16" shells. Modern ammo is neither safe nor fun to use until a good smith has gone over it.



July 26th, 2003 12:46 AM



Ack! I put 5-6 light 12 ga. modern shells thru it before takedown. How Can I tell if it takes the smaller shells? I sure won't shoot it again until I get this cleared up.

I did have my local gun shop and gunsmith look it over as they put a new butt plate on it, they said I was good to go, and did not mention this!

Will check out Harley's section!

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Jagermeister
July 26, 2003, 08:29 AM
Sig:
I have sent what I have by separate email

JM

SigArms226
July 26, 2003, 09:13 AM
JM-

Thanks so much! I sent you a separate note of thanks via email. This meant a lot.

Sig

Jim K
July 30, 2003, 11:54 PM
I may be thinking of the wrong gun, but IIRC those guns have a couple of parts that wear out rapidly, mainly the little "flipper" shell carrier. I replaced lots of them while parts were still available, but AFAIK there are no more. I may be wrong, but I think the gun is a Pedersen design and he didn't do anything simple. Of course you have to feel for him, as he must have always found out that his latest and greatest idea had been patented by John Browning!

I would not use one of those as a practical gun, though there is some collector interest. The guns are just too old and fragile and a broken part is going to mean a useless gun.

You can make a chamber cast (wax or modelling clay should do) to see if the gun is made for 2 3/4 or 2 9/16 shells. (The forcing cone must allow room for the full opening of the shell mouth; if the mouth is in the forcing cone, the pressure will be higher than normal.)

Jim

Jim Watson
July 31, 2003, 12:00 AM
Yeah, I lived next door to the town repair gunsmith in the '70s and he hated to see a Remington 10 or 29 coming. However, he preferred the Model 31 to all other pumps, Winchester M 12 specifically included.

SigArms226
July 31, 2003, 05:24 PM
Thanks very much for the comments. Some items of info I have picked up now: The gun is a pederson design, you are thinking of the correct model.

The problem I was having in putting it back together was due to a couple of missing mag screws; picked those up from numrich this past week. Now I just need a front sight and the gun will be complete.

The larger shell fired thru the gun fine, could you provide any more info on the risks, damage that could be caused if the gun can only use the 2 9/16?

Either way, this gun will not be something that gets used very often at all, maybe 1-2x per year at most.

JackM
July 31, 2003, 11:06 PM
A Remington 10 with a serial number of 89XXX has a 2 3/4" chamber. This applies to this gun, it is not the change over number. Also, this may not be the original barrel, and the chamber may have been reamed. The forcing cone is abrupt enough that you can measure it with a ruler. Two different barrels are the width of the rim short of 2 3/4" and the other barrel, on my Dad's, serial 190XXX, is original. He got it for his 14th birthday in 1924.

If you fire a shell that's too long for the chamber, the crimp unfolds into the forcing cone and the wads are forced through a smaller hole than they're designed for. That raises pressure above safe limits. Understand that a 3" shell fits in a 2 3/4" chamber, as it's short enough when it's crimped. Everything's fine until you pull the trigger. The length of a shell is measured when it's uncrimped before it's loaded or after it's fired, not when it's loaded and crimped.

I put enough Magnums through Dad's gun in my younger days to prove that the 10 is strong enough for any modern loads, but they do have a reputation for breaking. It's time to take it out for it's annual box of shells on clays, just to keep it from getting lonely.

Bye
Jack

SigArms226
July 31, 2003, 11:41 PM
Mine is 69XXX serial number, may I assume that it is chambered for the 2 9/16 shell? If so, an occasional modern 2 3/4 would not hurt it?

I think this gun is fairly original, not having many rounds shot thru it since my grandfather's father or grandfather purchased it in the 1910s, or 1920s.

I am starting to find this gun very interesting!

JackM
August 1, 2003, 12:24 AM
I don't know if it has a short chamber. All I know is that the 89XXX gun has a barrel with a 2 3/4" chamber, but I don't know if it came that way. The changeover to the 2 3/4" chamber may have come before serial #69XXX. It's easy to measure to the abrupt forcing cone. I can not recommend firing a 2 2/4" shell in a 2 9/16" chamber. In other words, don't do it.

Dad's 190XXX gun was made in 1922, according to Remington. So I'd guess that yours is pre WW I.

Give Remington a holler. They can tell you when it was made and maybe even the chamber size.
http://remington.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/remington.cfg/php/enduser/home.php

Bye
Jack

SigArms226
August 1, 2003, 01:10 AM
Thanks! I just dropped Rem a note on the age of the gun. Couple addl simpleton questions for you:

Can you still buy 2 9/16 shells anywhere?
and
What does the abrupt forcing cone look like?

JackM
August 1, 2003, 01:30 AM
OK, take the barrel off and look in the chamber. You'll see where the chamber steps down from about 0.800" to 0.729" approximatey, at the end of the chamber. This bevel is about 1/4" - 3/8" long. The bevel is the forcing cone. Measure to where the bevel starts.

If you don't know how to take the barrel off, I'll explain it tomorrow. It takes a LOT longer to tell you how to do, than it takes to do it.

Bye
Jack

SigArms226
August 1, 2003, 09:17 AM
Ok - will do it. I do know how to take the barrel off, learned that amazingly difficult process last week. You are right, I don't know how I would even begin to explain it!

wylderipper
June 26, 2007, 11:17 PM
ok im trying to take an orginal that my grandpa gave me apart, i figured out the barrel, but i cant get the bolt and whatnot out, does anyone have some instructions on that

GeorgeR
June 28, 2007, 03:08 PM
I have takedown instructions and just scanned the six pages, so if you want them, email me today or tonite and I'll send them to you. The print is small, so you'll have to enlarge the pages.
I'll be in western NC June 29-July5 with no email.

SigArms226
July 4, 2007, 03:23 AM
I had been looking through my materials also since your post, and found a copy of the original owners manual for this gun, along with several pages from an old gunsmithing manual - these I found particularly helpful in taking this gun down. If you would like them also, just drop me a note and I can email you a file with them.

hoot619
October 2, 2007, 02:03 PM
Rem Model 10 I have the owners manual but would like pages from gunsmithing manual that SigArms226 has. Mine is freezing up at time as you pull the trigger. Locks up - release button sticks at the same time. I am hoping you will help.Ken

BEARMAN
October 2, 2007, 04:08 PM
Couldn't find an Owners Manual but goto http://stevespages.com/page7a.htm for a schematic . From the looks of the diagram the bolt comes out the back after the trigger mechanism is removed.

hoot619
October 3, 2007, 12:01 PM
Thanks I copied it,still would like those gunsmith pages.

ROCKSHUND
October 7, 2007, 08:36 AM
Very interesting and informative thread here!!

I have one of these ole Rem's sitting here beside me. It's in IMHO condition good, original, and functions 100%. S/N 206xx, barrel and receiver match. Full choke, "turkey gun" configuration. I see no stamps indicating chamber size.

It has a lotta miles on it, and has a dented magazine tube which only allows 3 rounds into the tube. A local gunsmith thinks that he can solve that issue. I have shot 2 3/4" shotshells through it several times, and noticed no problems (is the good Lord watching out for me?).

This shotgun was given to me as a Christmas present by a son-in-law who gives me this story: It was owned by a late, great uncle for many years, then was given to him by an aunt, out of a closet where it had lived for many years. They are of French Canadian descent. SOL says that great-uncle once won another Model 10 in a turkey shoot with this shotgun. He gave me the weapon thinking that I'd want to "tinker and restore" it, but... I just gave it a cleaning, took it out and shot it, cleaned and lubed it again, and it sits ready for use.

I'd also really like to receive any owners and gunsmith files that anyone would like to send to: ROCKSHUND@aol.com

Please indicate "Remington 10 shotgun manual" in the "subject" line, to aid me in retrieving the info from AOL's spam filter file!!

I REALLY need to measure that chamber!!

Cheers, FNR...

P.S. It sits near an old Springfield 5100 SxS 20 gauge... and I don't particularly use shotguns much!!

35Rem
October 8, 2007, 01:20 PM
ROCKSHUND. Love that Model 5100, I grew up on one...

ROCKSHUND
October 12, 2007, 03:46 PM
Mine was my grandfather's. When grandma bought him a semiauto Winchester when I was a squirt, I used to beg him to take the old 5100 hunting, I liked it better. Sometimes, he would.

That shotgun is my prized possession from his estate.

Cheers, FNR...

averyislandboy@yahoo.com
December 2, 2007, 08:59 PM
I have been tinkering with an old Model 10 that my father found in a decrepit farmhouse when they were tearing it down. It had been nailed up into a wall. I remember when that happened back in ~1977. I didnt see the gun again until I was cleaning out my fathers house after his death in 2003. And there it was, partly dismantled in the back of a closet. This thing was ROUGH. Completely covered in rust with a broken stock that somebody had taped back together. Over the last few years I spliced a hunk of wood to the remains of the stock (an antique desk leg -- wanted to use wood the same age) and removed the bulk of the rust. Taking the barrel off eluded me for many months. I finally figured it out the day before Remington mailed me the owners manual. The thing is a Rubiks cube!

Anyway, I was actually trying to find the barrel removal procedure when I googled up this site. I want to thank you guys for alerting me about the potential cartridge size issue.

To contribute in turn, my serial number is 79XXX and the barrel serial number (full choke) matches. The distance to the force cone is 2 3/4 best I can tell (actually looks to be 2 11/16 but I havent cleaned the inside of the barrel yet). Could it be possible that full choke goose guns took one size cartridge and the trap guns took the 2 9/16?

Any other suggestions for me before I shoot a gun that most likely hasnt been shot in about 50 yrs? It has shined up amazingly well and all the actions are working pretty smoothly after soaking in carb cleaner, WD40 and some dremel wire wheel attention.

part_timer04
March 17, 2008, 07:22 PM
I would like to replace the buttstock on my 10, but Im not having any luck finding any. Does anyone have any tips on where one is?"

Steven Mace
March 17, 2008, 10:52 PM
part_timer04, try Numrich Gun Parts Corp. at the link below.

http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=704440&chrSuperSKU=&MC=

Hope this helps!

Steve Mace

1894cfan
March 30, 2008, 04:50 AM
Hi Guys,
I'm new here (first post) and also new to shotguns. I just got a Rem Model 10 from my Fathers estate that once belonged to my Grandfather. It looks in pretty good condition and came with 2 3/4 shells, serial is in the #22xxxx range. If any of you guys can, I can use all the info you can send me as all I got was the shotgun and several boxes of shells. TIA

Greg L.

part_timer04
April 1, 2008, 02:48 PM
Thanks Steven!! That link will help with other projects too.

Clark
April 5, 2008, 12:57 PM
I have one that my father borrowed in the 1940s, and did much better pheasant hunting than with his own shotgun.

I saw my cousin shoot that shotgun at the range in 1976.

In 2005, I got a chance to buy that Rem 10.

The bore was dirty, but shined up like new:)

It is lightweight, and ejects out the bottom.
Gunsmiths tell me that it is a good action, but weak stock.

sgtfon
August 1, 2008, 03:01 AM
i have been using one for the last 20 years as my main , all around 12 gage, i picked up a riot barrel on gunbrokers.com for $70.00 for deer season and use the original for birds. i got mine for $30 at a tag sale when i turned 21. the stock does crack at the pistol grip but aside from that i have never, ever had any trouble with the gun. you can get replacement stocks here and mine was drop -in. http://www.gunstocksinc.com/web_pages/Plate-pics/Remington-Stocks/Remington-Shotgun-Stocks.htm

instructions to break shot gun down is here:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.guns/2005-10/msg00539.html

good luck and drop me a line if you have any questions

Clark
August 1, 2008, 05:55 PM
I read somewhere that Browning was intrigued with that design.

Maybe he as embarrassed that the 1897 has 100 parts.

Larry Ashcraft
August 1, 2008, 07:37 PM
My dad bought a Trap Grade Model 10 used in the sixties, with a 32" full choke barrel. He used that as his hunting shotgun from that day on. I always admired it, the straight stock makes it look classy.

When dad passed away in January, my two brothers and I were splitting up the guns that had family history, and I ended up with it. I shot a box of shells at pasture clays and then cleaned it and put it up. It has a really tight choke, so I wonder how dad ever hit any doves or quail with it, but he did!

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