obsolete gun collection?


January 11, 2003, 11:53 AM
Have you ever purchased a gun that after a period of time and experience by and large made your other guns obsolete? About 9 months ago I purchased a Kel-Tec P-11. Since that time I have found it meets all my needs extremely well, in fact better than any other single handgun. It fires a potent cartridge, recoil is ok, has good accuracy (hits 9" paper plate at 50 feet), it's light weight, reliable, and has a good magazine capacity (10). This one gun equals or exceeds all the following handguns: PPK (weight, caliber), S&W 36(capacity), Colt Cobra (capacity), Colt .45 Officers model (size, weight, and capacity), Makarov (size weight, caliber) and I could go on and on. The only thing L'm missing with the P-11 is target accuracy and the stopping power of the large, heavy calibers. But research shows that modern bullets designs allow the smaller calibers to come close to equaling their big brothers in stopping power.

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January 11, 2003, 01:10 PM
For me, not really. I collect guns. This means I have many guns that have been replaced/upgraded by newer firearms. But I still like to pull out my old obsolete guns and go to the range. A good example is my M16A1 and my Colt AR-15 SP1. You would think that by having a full auto M16, the AR would get stuck in the back of the safe, never seeing the light of day. Not mine. It still gets trips to the range.:)

January 11, 2003, 01:37 PM
the real quetion is: "what is the ultimate handgun ?"
in my case: Glock 17 3rd gen.
(but than again, we don't have that ridiculous federal ban on high capacity mags, so 17 round mags are all we have here for the G17).
- light weight
- extremely reliable
- will feed anything
- high mag cap
- not too big, but not too small either
- nearly indestructible (you can drive over it with a truck, throw it from the 10th floor on the street, ...
- powerfull when you use the right rounds
- simple takedown
- good looks (most of you will disagree with me, but we all know opinions are like asses, everyone has one!)
- etc. ...

January 11, 2003, 01:49 PM
Replacing an Officer's Model with plastic Kel-Tec...:eek: ;) Glad it works out for you!

My do-it-all handgun is the full size 1911. Conceals very well, hits hard, easy to manipulate, and the chicks dig it. That's enough for me :p

January 11, 2003, 04:13 PM
Me, I have a couple of favorites that meet most of my needs at any given time. I do, however have a couple other guns that I really enjoy shooting & owning. You have one for need, the others are just parts of the collection.

January 11, 2003, 07:18 PM
And I was gonna chime in and say, "Cool, perhaps another Steyr-Hahn, Broomhandle, Luger, Astra, Nagant, and so forth!"

Now I learn that a little Kel-Tec makes a Colt Officer's ACP obsolete. :scrutiny:

January 11, 2003, 08:13 PM
Darn, thought you were posting about collecting obsolete guns!


On the topic, the only thing I've ever done is narrowed my 1911 collection down a bit after having two or three that I was completely happy with. And in general, I do tend to sell off the guns I have no use for that aren't special in some way to me. Not quite the same thing as you suggest.

Variety is the spice of life, man!

January 11, 2003, 08:25 PM
I would like to add that no one will ever convince me that 9mm is as good a round as .45 round for round. Yes, 9mm does have capacity. But give me 10 rounds of 9mm or 10 rounds of .45, I will take .45. Heck, I'll take 7 rounds of .45 over 10 rounds of 9mm. Some of your guns still have it where it counts. They are a far cry from obsolete.

January 11, 2003, 08:58 PM
As long as a firearm can launch modern ammo, it cannot be considered obsolete.

In your case, it's just that one has better applicability/practicality to you than the others.

Or shall I say, your new pet makes closet queens out of the others... ;)

January 11, 2003, 09:37 PM
In your case, it's just that one has better applicability/practicality to you than the others.

Sounds like you are finding your likes/dislikes to me. It happens if you shoot a lot.

4v50 Gary
January 12, 2003, 11:52 AM
Old, obsolete, but they still get the bullet downrange.

January 12, 2003, 10:58 PM
Are you calling my extensive Jennings collection obsolete?


Kahr carrier
January 13, 2003, 05:21 AM
No gun is really obsolete,It just gets recycled as in traded ,sold or made a safe queen for a short while.:neener:

G. Glock
January 13, 2003, 06:42 PM
I think the truth is, about any quality handgun that fires a round 9mm or larger and that you shoot well, is about all one needs unless he's with the special operations and clearning caves in another part of the world.

But I know what you mean. I love my 1911 .45s, my S&W .357s, and even my Glock 30, but I've found that the Glock 26 is about all I "need." It's just that there are so many guns that I want and like to shoot.

January 15, 2003, 11:32 PM
...the Glock 26 is about all I "need."

Although I have only had my Glock 26 for less than two weeks, and it will take some more range time for me to make a final decision, the quote above pretty close to the truth for me, at least as far as defensive guns go, save for my S&W 642. That doesn't means that I'm about ready to get rid of my 1911, my S&W 625 .45 ACP, my S&W 617 10-shot .22, my Colt Python, or my CZ75BD (well, I might part with that one...someday). It just means I REALLY like the little Glock; it seems to be a heck of a handgun--accurate, portable and concealable, simple, and rugged.

January 15, 2003, 11:47 PM
I know exactly what you mean. My Kel-Tec P32 has made every .22, .25, and .32 obsoleat IMO.

On the other hand, I have several guns that were probably considered "obsoleat" by the previous onwers that I like just fine.

4v50 Gary
January 17, 2003, 01:04 PM
Virtually everything I own is obsolete. We ain't military and the military wouldn't touch our stuff.

January 25, 2003, 08:59 PM
Not obsolete, just under appreciated.

January 25, 2003, 10:50 PM
Is Johnwill from TFL on this forum? He has, I swear, every old and unique gun known to mankind. He has quite a collection of old guns.

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