Ruger red label vs Browning citori


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waterman
January 11, 2003, 02:13 PM
My problem is I can't afford both but I like both. I currently have a Remington 3200 12 ga. skeet/skeet that I enjoy. Just wanting to add to the collection.

I would like to hear reviews on both from folks that know (NOT A CORNBALL SALESMAN).:banghead:

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sm
January 11, 2003, 02:23 PM
3200 NICE, fastest lock time...sweet !!

Then you are very much aware of fit and probably checked this out.

I like both and I shoot them well. Skeet or general purpose?

I shot for years a Citori bbl set, never a problem. I like blue and wood personally, and this has beautiful metal to wood fit.

Red labels I've shot 12, 20 and that cute woodgrained 28 ga-what a hoot for doves.

Me, both are nice, but sentimental me, the history, memories, trophies and monies ---I like Citori, that blue and wood also a thing for me.

waterman
January 11, 2003, 02:33 PM
Sorry, for not specifying. it would be for skeet. We have a little sportsman club here in town.

I shoot an 1100 magnum for everything that flys.

sm
January 11, 2003, 02:40 PM
Ok Skeet, staying with 12 bore, or smaller? You prefer longer bbls? Reason I ask is I prefer 28" on everthing (semi, shucker, break-open) . I used the Citori( fixed skeet chokes) on clays also.
Borrowed same Gun with 30" bbls with screw chokes and really liked the swing better than the Red Label. I am biased, but I think the longer tube and FIT made a difference for ME.

waterman
January 11, 2003, 02:48 PM
12 gauge and am partial to the 28" barrel, I know the citori is a fine gun... but the red label is too. I guess I'm going to have to save a while longer:(

PJR
January 11, 2003, 03:18 PM
Between the two there is no choice. A Browning 525 Citori is one of the best guns on the market. Better balance, better stock, better triggers, ported barrels, Hi-Viz sights and more. If I didn't already have a couple of spaghetti guns in 12 gauge, I'd buy a 525. I do own a Browning Citori FeatherXS in 20 gauge that I like very much.

Ruger shotguns don't do much for me. The Ruger is however less money and if its fits you then it would be better but the Red Label isn't in the same league with the 525 IMHO.

Wildalaska
January 11, 2003, 03:28 PM
Which one subjectively fits you better?

HSMITH
January 11, 2003, 03:38 PM
The triggers are a legitimate point that guys don't like on the Ruger, they suck. They are heavy and gritty, and never get much better even after 30K+ rounds. Resale value of a Ruger if you get tired of it is dismal. Not guessing here, I have them and have shot them extensively.

The Citori is heavy, blocky, and very tall through the action. Ribs on the lower priced guns are very low. It takes 2 hands and one leg to break a Citori open for the first 10K rounds, stiff is an understatement. The grip and forends are typically fat and the checkering shallow. Not guessing here, had one and shot it extensively.

That is about all that I don't like for each. I like that the Ruger opens easily, is light and fast, and has a higher rib. Grip and forend is slim and very deeply checkered. I like that the Citori has great triggers, and resale value is much better than the Ruger.

Personally I prefer the Ruger, it fits me better and I learned to slap the triggers hard right away so that never posed a problem. In that price range I would also be sure to look at some of the Berettas. I have shot some owned by friends and they are darn nice.

sm
January 11, 2003, 04:29 PM
So totally confused yet.

HSMITH, your post is true. Tall through the action on the Citori, Ruger triggers -well not a Browning for sure.

It all boils down to Fit and personal feelings. Back when I competed with the Citori, it and the 3200's were pretty much the cream of the crop. For multi ga many used different guns or bbl sets...then the tube sets started being the way to go.

Kreighoffs, Beretta's making an appearance with the Briley tubes.
I'd be inclined to try the fit, not rule out another choice, especially if one came up used because someone was 'upgrading"...read excuse for another gun and gotta sell this one first. Or trying to buy targets with gear-lots of good buys this way.:)

Gary G23
January 11, 2003, 05:06 PM
I've never owned a Ruger but I've spent substantial time at gun clubs shooting skeet and sporting clays and I see probably 50 Citoris for every one Ruger. That tells me something.

waterman
January 11, 2003, 05:17 PM
The reason I started the thread was because I liked the way the ruger fit me but...

I liked the the citori (fit and finish, looks, reputation and so on). I appreciate all the info.

I think either way I will enjoy my new purchase.

I'll ask around and see if I can test drive one.

Marshall
January 11, 2003, 10:15 PM
IN 50 YEARS, WHOEVER HAS THE HAS THE GUN WILL BE HAPPIER IF YOU BOUGHT THE BROWNING. :D

45auto
January 12, 2003, 10:14 AM
Hello,
For overall clay target shooting I would go for the Browning.
If you are used to a 3200 ,I might suggest you look at the 30" Browning sporting clays model. It will work great for skeet and give you more options later on.
It wouldn't hurt to look for a good used Browning 425 and save yourself a lot of money over a new model. Brownings are very reliable and durable.
Good luck

196pc
January 12, 2003, 05:20 PM
Citori 525 or the the Beretta 686 O/U's?? I know nothing of the O/U shotguns. I was told the Beretta's were over priced compared the to Brownings. Any thoughts??

196pc
January 12, 2003, 05:23 PM
Citori 525 or the the Beretta 686 O/U's?? I know nothing of the O/U shotguns. I was told the Beretta's were over priced compared the to Brownings. Any thoughts??

Red Label
January 14, 2003, 12:20 AM
I think my name says it all. Maybe I should be glad that I have never shot a Browning. I just like the way my gun looks. I think that the wood to metal fit is excellent and the gun fits me too. It swings smooth and I tend to hit where I point. :D It fit my budget and I think I got a heck of a gun for the money.:)

blades67
January 14, 2003, 06:31 PM
I prefer the Beretta and the Ruger to the Citori, but I prefer the Citori Lighting to the Red Label.

Nathaniel Firethorn
November 17, 2003, 01:25 PM
FWIW, I'm just about convinced to go with a Citori White Lightning in 12ga. I just want to go somewhere where I can check out the actual gun before making a final decision. (Have checked out an OLD 12ga and a new 20ga, but no new 12ga.)

The Red Label fit me OK, but I thought it was a little clumsy.

- pdmoderator

oscar
November 17, 2003, 09:00 PM
I went to the store about 10 years ago to buy a Browning. However, it just didnt fit me, but the Ruger did. We have got along fine these years. I just got back from South Dakota with a bunch of pheasants.

Alerion
November 20, 2003, 04:02 PM
I would suggest that you go to a shop that handles both the Ruger and the Citori and compare them side by side. There are enough subtle differences between the guns that I suspect you'll be drawn to one over the other. At least that was my experience when I made the exact same choice.

I don't want to taint your decision by suggesting that you buy the same gun I did. But I will say that I'm glad I made the comparison because the gun I took home wasn't the one I went in to buy! :p

Whichever gun you chose, if it's the one you want you've made the right decision! :cool:

Tom

Alerion
November 20, 2003, 04:14 PM
BTW, the big-chain store I was in also carried the Beretta's so it actually was a 3-way comparison for me. The Beretta is another fine gun that you can't go wrong with if that's what you want.

I'm not sure that I can agree that the Beretta's are overpriced compared to the Brownings. Of the guns I looked at the Beretta fell squarely between the (low) Red Label and the (high) Citori. Although in this case the Browning wasn't one of the lower end models. I thought all three guns justified their prices.

Tom

Gila Jorge
November 20, 2003, 09:44 PM
Not really much of a decision: forget them both and continue saving
your money and get a Baretta 686 or 687 sporting model. Thinner receiver
profile means more straight back recoil and less overall kick. For getting
back onto doubles thats critical to minimize that upward jump. Better
triggers and better wood in addition to better fit. Baretta knows what
they're doing. Resale on Ruger shotguns is dismal at best. I found the
3200 Comp model skeet gun very nice with good triggers but I want's crazy about the weight...it never swung like the Barettas and Perazzis.

Gary G23
November 21, 2003, 02:40 PM
If resale value is of any importance to you get the Browning.

Muddhead
October 19, 2009, 11:59 AM
Hello All:

Im new to this board and I hope I can give some valid opinions. I have both the Ruger and the Browning. One thing for sure is you cant beat Ruger service dept. They are great. My Browning is a 12 ga,1987 Citori Grade 6 spec trap. It has 30" brl's and is the smoothest gun Ive ever used. The older it gets the better it works. The fit and finish is superb. Engraving and gold inlays are super too. My Ruger is a 20 ga and it just feels so good. The first thing I did was to polish the Rcvr so I looked like chrome. It is a great gun and would buy another. Very fast swinging and really nice wood. Great american workmanship. I also have the Cynergy, Golden clays, Benelli Legacy, Beretta Teknys 391. As you can tell I love shooting clays. See Ya till next time.

ArmedBear
October 19, 2009, 12:39 PM
The Citori is a crude design with a high level of refinement in fit and finish. It makes a good American Trap gun, if you put long barrels on it to balance it out. Otherwise, it's a cinder block with a stock attached. Browning's competition guns all come with porting, which I can't stand. They do last, but their longevity comes with a heavy price in handling. Sold my Browning, don't miss it, don't want another one.

The Ruger is a slick design, but with excess weight and not quite the same level of refinement. You won't see many at a range, for better or worse. I haven't owned one, so I can't comment on longevity. I've borrowed them and knocked down birds in the field; they do fit me.

Personally, I'm not too interested in either one, especially in 12 Gauge.

I was told the Beretta's were over priced compared the to Brownings. Any thoughts??

You heard that from someone who is doesn't know squat. That's my thought.

To the OP: want to add something nice to your collection, with good handling AND incredible workmanship, check out Caesar Guerini. http://www.gueriniusa.com/

I like the way Berettas balance, point and shoot, myself. The receiver design is completely different from the Browning, and unlike the Citori, it's designed specifically to provide the lowest profile an O/U will allow, and natural pointing. Browning designed the Cynergy to compete with it -- sadly for Browning, they decided to go for some radical styling departures that few buyers seem to like, at the same time.

They're worth shouldering to see what you think of how they feel. Much as I might like the looks of other guns, I keep getting Berettas because they work for me and they're excellent guns. I've sold two shotguns in my life, a Remington and a Browning, both in order to buy Berettas to replace them. The basic models are a good value -- and every brand can run up a serious bill if you want the highest grade of wood, fancy engraving, etc.

If you really like your Remington 3200, then save for a Krieghoff.:) Sadly, Remington quit making good Over/Unders in the mid 1980s when they stopped making your gun. But Krieghoff bought the design for the original Model 32 and picked up where Remington left off. They make nice guns, but they're not cheap.

This shop has a nice selection of worthy shotguns.:) http://www.pacificsportingarms.com/

oneounceload
October 19, 2009, 02:27 PM
Having owned BOTH Ruger and Browning - I can say that I STILL own the Brownings, but not the Ruger. Ruger's has a rep for poor QC on these guns - some work good, some, (like mine), did not. My Browning are still going strong

ArmedBear
October 19, 2009, 02:45 PM
Don't know what Brownings you own, oneounce, but if you have Citoris, I find it hard to believe that you've referred to a Krieghoff as a "brick connected to a shovel."

Tully M. Pick
October 19, 2009, 03:50 PM
This thread is 6 years old. That's gotta be some kind of record.

oneounceload
October 19, 2009, 04:24 PM
AB - it was a gun writer friend who refers to K guns as a "pig on a shovel"..... ;)

ArmedBear
October 19, 2009, 04:26 PM
A pig. Sorry.:D

Yeah, the Citori doesn't feel like a pig. A pig feels more streamlined.

Red Label
October 21, 2009, 09:55 AM
Well I posted here 6 years ago about my Ruger and I'm still very happy with it. It has been back to Ruger once because the ejector timing was getting a little off but they corrected that for me for free. I also had them disconnect the auto safety while it was there which they also did for free. And I added a Pachmeyer recoil pad myself just to give me a little more LOP which has made a big difference in fit. As far as anything else, it just keeps going and I shoot it more than any of my other guns! Still happy I didn't buy a Browning!:neener:

oneounceload
October 21, 2009, 10:01 AM
Glad YOUR RL worked out for you - mine did not. While I still like Brownings and Berettas, after shooting a plethora of other guns, a P gun is what I keep hinting to the wife about. I'm thinking a trip to Italy - she goes shopping one direction, and I.......the other... :D

Red Label
October 21, 2009, 10:15 AM
One ounce, what problems did you have that could not be resolved. You say that Ruger has a rep for poor qc but you didn't say what went wrong with yours. All I read on the internet is what a piece of trash the Red Label is but personal experience with my own and also others that I have shot with say differently. Anyone else that I have run across in real life who owns one likes the gun.

oneounceload
October 21, 2009, 10:49 AM
I've mentioned in many other threads - perhaps you missed those. I had a (new) 28 gauge RL - REALLY wanted to like the gun - it had issues with extractors slipping past the case head - sent it back to Ruger - they replaced everything inside and sent it back. OK, so far, so good. Same thing happened again - same results. Then a third time - this was all within the first 3-6 months. After that, I said bye to it - won't buy another. Bought a used SKB 505 28 gauge - works great. Have a Remington 1100 28 sporting - also works great - looking for a 28 target gun and a SxS down the road.

Anyway - as I said, after three trips back, it seemed obvious to me that this gun couldn't be trusted to work.

Glad yours did.

Red Label
October 21, 2009, 10:15 PM
I'm really sorry to hear about the problem you had. Mine also had the same problem. Besides an ejector timing problem the shells would also slip past the ejectors and I mentioned this when sending the gun back. When it came back to me the timing was perfect, the barrels had been replaced to fix the slipping problem and the auto saftey had also been disabled at my request all at no charge! The gun has been absolutely trouble free since then and I have nothing but complete respect for Rugers service. Should the gun have been perfect from the factory? Yes but it wasn't. Did they make it right? Yes. I wish yours could have been.

As a side note I haven't been here for awhile so I missed your previous postings.

uplandcrazy
January 31, 2010, 09:04 PM
I bought my Red Label in 1997 and have put about 18k rounds through it without a single malfunction. This gun has taken many, many, MANY rooster pheasants. I also shoot sporting clays and trap with it. For a field gun, it is my go to. I have also hunted with a Browing Citori which I found to be blocky and cumbersome compared to my Red Label. The Browning was new and very stiff to break open, my Ruger fell open on its own when I pushed the lever right out of the box. The Ruger is a little heavier on the barrel end, mine is a 26", not the more common 28", but I like it that way, and the swing is so natural it feels like its an extension of my arm. As far as the trigger, I have no issue with it. Its a shotgun, you point and shoot, once committed. Not like a center fire high power rifle zeroing in on a trophy buck at 400 yards, where a fraction of an inch of barrel travel due to a heavy trigger may mean an errant shot. No doubt the Browning is a great shotgun, from my experience the Ruger is a better buy for an all purpose O/U. If you want spend thousands of dollars on a fancy sporting clays gun, your options expand tremendously

MCgunner
January 31, 2010, 09:51 PM
The triggers are a legitimate point that guys don't like on the Ruger, they suck. They are heavy and gritty, and never get much better even after 30K+ rounds. Resale value of a Ruger if you get tired of it is dismal. Not guessing here, I have them and have shot them extensively.

So, um, sounds like the Ruger might be a decent deal used? What's a reasonable price on a used 12, 28" field gun?

MCgunner
January 31, 2010, 09:58 PM
Ya know, reading all the negative comments, maybe I'm better off with a Yildz at 400 bucks from Academy. Sheesh.

Red Label
February 2, 2010, 10:25 PM
Negative or positive, there is never any middle ground with the Ruger. You either love 'em or you hate 'em. Makes no sense to me:cuss:

oneounceload
February 2, 2010, 11:26 PM
The best route is to try out several guns and see which one(s) fit you the best - I don't mean shouldering it once or twice in the store, I mean borrowing/renting and shooting them to see what works for you. Once you have that determined, then you can think about other things besides worrying about brands.

As to the Ruger love/hate relationship, IMO, it seems to stem from their inconsistency in their manufacturing quality. I haven't seen a Ruger on sporting clay courses in quite some time. I have seen one or two on skeet and 5-stand fields, but they are definitely in the minority

Peter M. Eick
February 5, 2010, 05:32 PM
Have you looked at the browning cynergy?

I came down to the Ruger RL and the Browning Cynergy and took the browning. I did not like the citori overall.

For me the cynergy has been a great chose and I don't regret it a bit.

rustycrusty
February 6, 2010, 04:21 PM
Don't know about the O/U guns but I have a Browning BPS and the customer service convinced me to go with 3/4" black iron pipe duck taped to a 2X4 before I buy another Browning of any kind. I had nothing but snotty comments about my not being able to handle the recoil, even though I told the unservice rep that a friends 3 1/2 BPS did not kick anywhere near as bad.
No one who has shot this gun will shoot it a second time yet ALL these people were recoil sensitive according to this jack-a-lope.:banghead: Browning great guns IF you never need any customer service.

19-3Ben
February 6, 2010, 05:06 PM
About two weeks ago this thread celebrated its 7th birthday. That's like 160 in people years!!!

Red Label
February 6, 2010, 10:31 PM
Amazing ain't it. I've responded on this same thread every time and and I still love my Ruger!!!!!!!!!;)

conhntr
February 7, 2010, 11:36 AM
I bought my Red Label in 1997 and have put about 18k rounds through it without a single malfunction.

beretta and browning will run that long.... but with another zero. both designs will run 150-200k easy. a ruger will not! thats why you dont see them on the skeet/trap/sporting fields in use by anyone but a recreational/beginner

joed
February 7, 2010, 07:02 PM
Wow, a 6 year old thread!

I have a Ruger Red Label all weather and like it. Blue and wood? No thanks, I love stainless and nylon. Had the Ruger for 3 years now and no complaints. In fact it is the only Ruger I've ever liked. Before this I never kept a Ruger longer then 3 months.

I've also shot the Citori and it may be a better choice but I can never find one. The Red Label with nylon stock and stainless barrels and action has worked well so far. Easy cleanup and not a lot of maintenance.

ArmedBear
February 7, 2010, 08:38 PM
Yeah, the one Ruger I regret passing up was a gray stainless Red Label. It would make a nice waterfowl and foul-weather pheasant gun, though it's a bit heavy for the latter.

It was on sale for cheap, NIB. It seems people don't care for nylon/stainless over/unders, but I think they'd have their place. I've seen Krylon-sprayed blue/walnut Brownings, of all things, so somebody must want an all-weather over/under pretty badly...

Personally, I wish there were similar options from a few makers, but you can't expect them to build something that apparently doesn't sell.

oneounceload
February 7, 2010, 09:00 PM
AB - fellow shooter friend of mine picked up a s.s. Browning with a laminated stock a few years ago. As you mentioned, it didn't sell well, and he picked it up from CDNN (IIRC) really cheap. He uses it successfully for sporting clays.

If Browning couldn't market it and make it happen and Ruger couldn't, I guess it isn't meant to be,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Red Label
February 8, 2010, 07:40 AM
Conhntr I keep hearing that crap about the Red Label not holding up to extended use. I think its BS. I shoot with another guy who has WAAAAY more rounds through his than I do and she just keeps on chugging. I have also seen others beat to crap and gone that function flawlessly. Where in heck does this information come from as I, in personal experience, have NEVER seen it?:banghead:

oneounceload
February 8, 2010, 10:51 AM
WAAAAY more rounds

That would need to be more narrowly defined. Is it 1,000, 10,000, 100,000?

I've known folks with various guns they have had and shot over a long period of time. The ones that were hunters were talking about shooting maybe 1,000 rounds over all those years, while the target guys were talking about 100,000-250,000 rounds over the basic same time span. Better made guns have a tendency to really last well into the six figure round count

conhntr
February 8, 2010, 12:50 PM
i know personally of 2 people i used to shoot skeet with. my beretta 302 lasted 50k rounds before i upgraded to a 682. their redlabels both made it less than 10k before they started having issues. and as one ounce said 10-15k a year isnt that much if you shoot tournaments every weekend... thats why i bought the 682 i wanted a gun that could last ten years (it has over 100k on it) not one that would fall apart in 10k rounds.

now with hunting guns which is rugers market (they gave up on their trap gun REALLY QUICK) you can argue that an inferior design is ok because it will never see that many rounds.

with used brownings in the 500-700$ range i just cant see any reason why you would go for one of those inferior designs though

ArmedBear
February 8, 2010, 01:20 PM
Maybe because those heavy old Citori Lightning field guns feel like shooting a cinder block?:D

There are other guns out there, though. It's true: if you won't be putting tens of thousands of rounds through the gun anyway, why not get one that already has some dings in it? It's more fun to hunt with a gun you're not overly worried about.:)

oneounceload
February 8, 2010, 01:55 PM
Now, now, AB - you're hatred for Citoris is almost legendary!!!!:D

But a superposed is another animal. A nice 20 that comes in at 6 or 6-2 is right nice in the uplands.........

ArmedBear
February 8, 2010, 01:57 PM
Please tell me where I can find a 20 Gauge Superposed for the $500-700 he quoted.:)

I really like those things. I have literally never seen one for sale, in person at least. Those who have them aren't about to sell them, and it's not like they don't get asked.

I shouldered a 525 12 Gauge yesterday at the clays range, and I actually kind of liked that, too. It felt like a different gun from what the Citori has generally been. I'm not sure what they did to it, but it is an improvement. They eliminated about 70% of the awkwardness of the thing. It had 30" barrels, which helped balance it out. Of course, there were still a bunch of extra holes in the barrel.

oneounceload
February 8, 2010, 02:14 PM
I've seen them from $500 and up on gunsinternational.com under the section for Browning Belgian Shotguns. You DO have to be on the lookout for salt wood guns, but some are out there. Most are more in the $1500 range and up, depending on the model

As to porting, I agree - wish they offered a version without

ArmedBear
February 8, 2010, 02:18 PM
Is there anything that can be done about salt wood?

oneounceload
February 8, 2010, 02:27 PM
The stock needs replacing - the question becomes how much, if any, corrosion to the metal occurred.

If in doubt when looking at a gun, the common practice is to pull the buttstock off and inspect around the action

FlyBird
February 21, 2010, 11:57 PM
In June I will take a Red Label to my State SC championship. I've historically done well with my Rizzini, Browning, and 101 SC. After reading this thread, I'm fairly convinced that the views have very little to do with the gun itself, but rather fit, weight, style, etc. Therefore, I think the entire discussion is form over substance. I have a shot at winning the event with the RL. Wonder if the other competitors will look down on me. I doubt it.

conhntr
February 22, 2010, 12:10 AM
they will laugh pretty hard when you have a couple FTF...

Red Label
February 22, 2010, 12:20 AM
Flybird, I want to hear how you do because I personally shoot my Ruger better than any other shotgun I own and I've got a few.

Still going strong. I shoot it a lot, I shoot it well, and it has outlasted a damn Browning at my club now by a couple of years! I don't keep track of the number of shells I've put through it. I don't count I just shoot it!!!

No FTFs either.....ever!

conhntr
February 22, 2010, 12:48 AM
red label; just look at you ata, nssa card it shows total registered targets. then (for me) i multiply by 2.0 because i shoot 1/2 practice 1/2 registered and get the total.

personally 150-160k is my round count; although lately i only shoot about 1k a year... got pretty expensive when ammo/component prices skyrocketed.

firebird74521
February 22, 2010, 09:24 AM
I owned many shotguns and used many more before picking up my first Red Label at a store. I have short arms and so I had to modify the stocks on some of my first shotguns to get a fit that would bring the gun on target without having to compensate for stock design. The old cooey single shot seemed to be the only out of the box good fit for me but wasn't exactly a high end shotgun. I did shoot it better than anything else simply because it fit me better. When I could afford to buy a brand new shotgun I went shopping and I looked at many double shotguns including the and the only shotgun that fit perfect the first time I picked it up was the Ruger Red label. It comes up for me in a perfect sight position every time. The Red Label fit like a glove the first time I picked it up and every time in the last 18 years that I have been using it. I have heard of problems with the Ruger but have never had any trouble with mine. I did have the trigger mechanism polished for a smoother function but that is all. It has worked perfect for me. My son has owned his new Red Label for 3 years now and also loves his gun.
Each to their own but if a gun doesn't fit perfect you are not as likely to shoot it as well as a shotgun that does fit you no matter how well it is made.

Capstick1
February 22, 2010, 10:15 AM
If you want to improve the versatility of that 3200, Briley manufacturing in Houston, TX can set your barrels up for interchangeable choke tubes. That way you could use this gun for trap and sporting clays in addition to skeet. If you want to know more just go to their web site.

ArmedBear
February 22, 2010, 11:55 AM
Why are people signing up just to post about how great their Red Labels are?

Inquiring minds want to know.

So far, two in the past day or so.

FlyBird
February 22, 2010, 06:49 PM
I found this thread accidentally while doing some technical research on the RRL. The timing of my post is not significant. If I have any mechanical problems with the RRL, I will let everyone know. So far, nothing but clean shooting. For many years I have had a motto that says, "Browning in the morning, Winchester at night." I realize there are many German and Italian guns that are terrific, and have three Rizzini's. Love all three of them. Will likely get a Zoli, Blazer, Perazzi, and Krieghoff some day. However, I can't afford them at this time. My Browning, Winchester 101, and RRL break clays just like the higher priced guns do, and I am a serious competitor. Mine haven't worn out. At the end of the day, shoot what works out on the course. The rest of the arguments are not really important in my view.

Red Label
February 22, 2010, 11:48 PM
Armed Bear, for some reason you have a hatred for the Red Label and for once there are people here who actually like them! Give it a break will ya. There just happen to be people out here who like the Ruger and think they work just fine.

Clifford _23
February 26, 2010, 10:08 PM
I own both guns, and love them both. The best shotgun I have ever shot, and the easiest to hit with with is a Benelli M1 super 90. Lately Benelli has "gotten out there" a bit, and has flooded the market with hundreds of variations of the same basic gun. ( like browning ) You can pick up a used super 90 for 500-600 dollars. So, you can buy a 20 and a 12 , and have $500 left over for a pheasant hunt along the cannonball river in Mott North Dakota.

Please dont "shoot me down" unless you've actually shot with and hunted with the Benneli. I've learned, the expensive way. it's not what you look like at the skeet range that counts, it's how many wild game dinners you eat that really matters.

ArmedBear
February 26, 2010, 10:11 PM
Armed Bear, for some reason you have a hatred for the Red Label

Actually, I don't have any hatred for the Red Label.

I shoot with people who have had great luck with them, I've shot them and liked them, and I regret not grabbing a Target Gray model when they made them for 3 days. I really wish Ruger had continued to offer a serious hunting-oriented O/U like that.

OTOH I don't think they're the beginning and end of shotguns, either.

oneounceload
February 26, 2010, 10:47 PM
although lately i only shoot about 1k a year...

Really...........On an off month, I'll do that in 3 weeks....I have owned the Ruger - the vaunted 28, the one that was supposedly made correctly.....didn't happen.......Any of my Brownings have lasted many times the Ruger - even my Remington 1100 (which AB doesn't like ;)) has had less problems than the Ruger, none of which required going back to the factory for complete rebuilds.

I shoot sporting at 3 different clubs - have seen very few Rugers, less than one hand's worth, and typically shot by hunters, and none in any winning place.

Looking at the results from various sporting matches around the country show the same results - no Rugers to be found anywhere. Ruger tried - I'll give them that, but they failed and they knew it.....a look at their SxS showed that as well.......

I have owned Ruger handguns, rifles and shotguns....they have never impressed me with their supposed "robust quality" from the cast construction.

But hey - if the gun fits you, you like and it shoots somewhere close to POI/POA for you, then have at it...For the money, I'll buy a used Belgian Browning Superposed with fixed chokes

txgolfer45
February 26, 2010, 11:47 PM
Between a Red Label and a Citori, I'd choose Citori everytime. I have a Browning Citori and use it as my clays gun. If I'm hunting, I take my Beretta AL391 20 ga, Extrema2 12 ga or an 870 Express.

Peter M. Eick
February 27, 2010, 08:06 AM
I noted that the local Cabella's has Citori's $200 off this weekend if I remember the ad right. Call Cabella's to be sure.

I still like my Cynergy over the Citori though.

joed
February 27, 2010, 10:25 AM
I keep hearing how bad the Red Label is from a few of you, how it doesn't last long before needing service. Can any of you state what broke or why the gun needed repair?

Like some of you I hate Ruger myself. Had a 77 and thought it was junk, never owned any of their pistols. The Red Label shotgun was the exception. I don't shoot it a lot the gun has seen 1k since I bought it 2 years ago. I just don't like shooting shotguns, rather shoot rifle or pistol and day of the week.

But I'm anxious to hear what breaks on the Red Label.

joed
February 27, 2010, 03:31 PM
Five hours later and no one has posted anything definite on the problems with Red Labels. Hmmm, must be compiling all that data.

I even went out and searched the Internet looking for problems with the Ruger, found a few but nothing really bad. The only problems I found were barrel problems and 2 guns bought when the RL first came out. To be honest I found more problems with Brownings searching the net.

oneounceload
February 27, 2010, 03:54 PM
joed - I don't dislike ALL Rugers; in fact one of the guns I traded away that I wished I hadn't was a Ruger No.1 RSI in 243, and I like my MKII with bull barrel. My Security Six I once had was decent as well. The 10/22? inaccurate as all get out. The Ruger shotgun? Needed rebuilding - mine had the internals replaced three time by Ruger, and they still couldn't get it fixed right.

Granted, Ruger customer service was nice - but I would rather buy a product that I didn't need to return to the factory after three months

joed
February 27, 2010, 07:54 PM
Oneonce, I've only owned 2 Rugers, a 77 and the RL. I thought the 77 was junk, never could get it to shoot accurately. Have to admit that I never owned one of their pistols, I'm not a fan of the Blackhawk. Maybe a Security Six or Redhawk would be OK.

So far I'm happy with the RL. We'll see how it holds up. I know what you mean about sending things back to factory. My view on that is if it was built correctly it wouldn't need to go back.

oneounceload
February 27, 2010, 09:27 PM
Agreed - I understand that now and again a "OOPS" happens and a gun needs to go back for correction....but when my gun went back THREE times in as many months from when I bought it NIB, and they replaced everything each time and STILL didn't get it right.............well, that's when I say enough

distra
February 27, 2010, 09:31 PM
I've had both and I much prefer the Citori to the Red Label. Don't get me wrong, the Ruger is a good gun, but I sold mine because I could not hit s*** with it. I had to send it back to Ruger to get the light strikes fixed and then sold it off. I've been shooting my 12ga Citori for almost 3 years and love the gun. It works for me, YMMV.

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