Guns WILL be banned, and banned soon. MY REPLY TO 1ST THREAD


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Rachen
February 25, 2008, 06:34 PM
There is only one way to deal with this kind of predatory brainwashing in the schools.
And the good news is that we have superior technology on our side.
We have Internet and Email alerts.

It is a good thing we addressed the problem of brainwashing, because we can effectively build a defense against it. Lets contact the NRA first, and try to set up a national Internet network of gun owners, activists, and conservatives. That way, we CAN know from all these parents just what the hell these kids are being taught. And that way, we can also educate the parents to teach their children about what is really right or wrong.

However, even as the brainwashing continues, despite how potent it is, we always will have a few true-hearted converts. Some liberally-educated kid gets threatened by some gang member, and then realizes that all the things he/she been taught won't really help. Then they'll start looking for other sources of "the truth".

However, we don't want that. We want our children to be aware of the FACTS even before they encounter a dangerous situation and realize that the liberals won't be out to help them.
Remember what Lenin said? Give him all our 4 year olds, and what happens after that? Not pleasant at all.

And the problem with brainwashing isn't even the demographic locations. I went to high school in Brooklyn, NY, and it was probably the most friendliest environment for any kind of politics, including guns. From my 4 years in high school, I greatly promoted gun rights, and educated many fellow students and teachers regarding gun rights, and everytime I was received with very positives responses. Even my Leadership teacher is pro gun and a NRA member. This is in NYC by the way. Yet we have schools all the way iin rural Georgia and Alabama that is trying to turn us good ol' boys into some weed smoking "lets hold hands and dance", and "fight violence with flowers" that type of 60'ish liberalism.

Demographic locations doesn't determine where liberalness is going to be preached. It's like a glob of feces thrown into a sprinkler system. the sprinker wheels fling the fecal matter in all directions and the feces aren't going to discriminate where they pollute. A dirty part of the grass covered with vomit and beer bottles from last night's frat party might not get one bit of the brown stuff but another section of grass, the part where kids are most likely to play on, might get splattered.
Anybody understand?
The only way to fight this form of fecal smearing is by setting up ANOTHER sprinker system, and connected to a supply of disinfectant, and spraying the areas that have been splattered.

Thats why we should make it OUR priority to make sure all of the parents in our conservative community should be aware of the up-to-date facts. Some kids might just not tell their parents what they are being taught in class, and therefore, nobody will have the chance to warn them of the impending danger.

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TexasRifleman
February 25, 2008, 07:01 PM
Your call to action might be taken better if it didn't sound like, and contain, a commercial advertisement for Ron Paul.....

Thernlund
February 25, 2008, 07:05 PM
Your call to action might be taken better if it didn't sound like, and contain, a commercial advertisement for Ron Paul.....

Completely agree.


-T.

Rachen
February 25, 2008, 07:10 PM
I see. I corrected my post. Hope it sounds better now.

adobewalls
February 25, 2008, 08:02 PM
Teach them to read and then give them a reading list.

That is the SINGLE most important thing you can do to INNOCULATE your children against the drivel that the schools now teach.

Get them to read early, and have them read 2 or 3 years ahead of their grade. If you can get to them and start developing their mind before the teachers, they will recognize the brain-washing when its attempted.

This is a partial list of stories and books my son read, I suggested most in the early years - he went his own way in later years, but I agreed with his selections:

Age 8 to 10:

Robinson Caruso
The Call of the Wild
White Fang
To Buld a Fire
Lennihen and the Ants
Master of the World
War of the Worlds
The Invisible Man
Around the World in 80 Days
The Lottery
Sherlock Holmes series
Animal Farm

Age 11 to 12
Harry Potter series
The Lord of the Rings series
The Lord of the Flies
Rifles for Watie
Tom Sawyer
Huck Finn
Connecticut Yankee in King Author's Court
From the Earth to the Moon
Edgar Rice Bourroughs (The Martian Chronicles series)
King Solomon's Mines
The Four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John)
A Brief History of Time
Ben Hur
Death in the Long Grass

Age 13 to 15
The 4th Dimension
Flatland
2001 a Space Odessy
Authur C Clarke series
Dune series
Dune prologue series
The Fountainhead
Atlas Shrugged
Heinlien's Sci Fi short stories
Starship Troopers
1984
The Priviledged Planet
Darwin's Black Box
The Prince, Machevelli
History of Gunpowder
History of Pi


I remember when he was in 7th or 8th grade my son was assigned to read a really stupid book about a girl that went to sea and wound up changing from a pampered pouty debutante to a calloused sailorette. He couldn't take it, he refused to read the book and took a lower grade because of his refusal.

The point being he was was reading at way beyond his age group and some really deep stuff, and enjoying it. And then had to read what he recongized as crap and he refused. And I supported him.

Now you may not agree with my selection, but that is your perogative, there are classic works out there that children read for generations that is orders of magnitude beyond what they are required to read now. Choose it - but get them to read, it teaches a kid to think on his own.

Oh, also be sure to take your children shooting, start them with reactive targets, and they will be hooked for life. And the "Secret Life of Charlotte Doyle" makes a wonderful target.

Ridgerunner665
February 25, 2008, 08:37 PM
Th Call of the Wild and White Fang should be required reading...thats the best 2 books I ever read...and I've read many....Also a good one, Jim Carmichael's "The Book of the Rifle".

Gord
February 25, 2008, 08:55 PM
I'd add Gary Paulsen's "Hatchet" and Jean Craighead George's "My Side of the Mountain" to the list, and suggest that Orwell be saved for another couple of years - at 8-10 years old I imagine most of it would go right over your kid's head.

MiddleAgedKen
February 25, 2008, 09:25 PM
"Leiningen and the Ants" gave me the willies, man.* Great story though.

*That does not mean I would not have my sons read it.

adobewalls
February 25, 2008, 09:30 PM
I had forgot about "My Side of the Mountain", it was a good read and my son read that.

I guess the point I was trying to make is there is a wealth of good reading that encourages kids to think, be adventerous and help them to understand the world for what it is.

My son is in college now, and does a good job of thinking on his own; in spite of having to read and listen to some of the dribble that passes for scholarship now days. I like to think that him reading many of the same books I read growing up - which were usually themes of self-reliance, individualism and sacrifice helped shape him to be the person he is and will become.

Oh, about Animal Farm, I read that to my daughter when she was 9 and she (1) loved the story and (2) understood it was really talking about people. She did not understand what communism was, but she did understand some people pretend to be things they are not for their own advantage.

That is one way to counter the indoctrination. There are other ways also such as taking over the school board, attending school board meetings, volunteering (that way you find out which teachers are true believers.)

ApexinM3
February 25, 2008, 11:09 PM
Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Read it when I was 13 & loved it, even if it was almost 1,000 pages.

I do not have children, but perhaps that could be recommended as a more advanced reading project?

learn2shoot
February 26, 2008, 02:01 PM
Fahrenheit 451

WildeKurt
February 26, 2008, 02:47 PM
I'd highly recommend some of Hemingway's stuff. My personal favorite has always been 'For Whom the Bell Tolls.' Nobody can set up a heroic last stand like Hemingway.

Another fine American writer is Kenneth Roberts. He wrote a lot of historical fiction. Some of his best center around the American Revolution, before and after. One his best works is Northwest Passage.

Rachen
February 26, 2008, 10:46 PM
"Hatchet", by Gary Paulsen, was a book that I first read when I was in 3rd Grade. That was the book that got me interested in the outdoors FOREVER.

Everytime I see the book now, I keep thinking "Cabelas" for some reason.:)

velcro8ball
February 29, 2008, 10:36 PM
Might I suggest some Kipling, especially the poetry. Your silly sea story sounds like a rewrite of "Captains Courageous". Reading is the key to all intellectual growth and one of the first things to be wrecked by social educators. It is no accident that most of the required reading in public education is dreck. If you kill the love of reading, you kill the ability to
reason.
Velcro8ball

Nietzsche
February 29, 2008, 11:59 PM
I think they'll not be banned. I think they'll go for confiscation this time. Banning guns didn't work so well for liberals. There were still plenty of guns out there, and new ones were being made after the mag capacity and bayonet lugs came off. So I figure this time they just say "Turn 'em in by XXXX date and time, or its 15-to-life in prison."

ZeSpectre
March 1, 2008, 12:21 AM
someone beat me to Fahrenheit 451 and Animal Farm
Has anyone mentioned lord of the flies?

Glockfan.45
March 1, 2008, 12:35 AM
"Animal Farm"

"The Giver"

"Fahrenheit 451"

These are all good books to educate children early on as to the dangers of communism/socialism/liberalism. Interestingly enough all three were required reading for me in school. My daughters attend the same schools I went to. "The Giver" was removed from the library per directive. The other two listed books are no longer required reading. :(

Its funny, while I never thought about it these three books likely shaped alot of my views early on in life and probably prevented me from going on to become a liberal :barf: later. A great thread that made me think.

41magsnub
March 1, 2008, 12:47 AM
"Hatchet", by Gary Paulsen

I totally forgot about this book, loved it when I was a kid. Gonna have to find a copy.

the iron horse
March 1, 2008, 12:48 AM
I teach 7th Grade Language Arts.

We will be reading this book and viewing the film in April:

Shane by Jack Schaefer

CalamityJane
March 1, 2008, 01:08 AM
I'd add Gary Paulsen's "Hatchet" and Jean Craighead George's "My Side of the Mountain" to the list,

Hatchet is a wonderful book as is My Side of the Mountain. I would also add another of Jean Craighead George's books, "Julie of the Wolves", another survival story but featuring a girl.

Your idea is exactly right. Parents and all members of the family need to take back the primary responsibility of the education of their children. We can't rely on school systems anymore. I'm sure they weren't perfect when I was in elementary and middle school, but at least we started every day with the Pledge and did have to read some good books.

torpid
March 1, 2008, 01:37 AM
...in spite of having to read and listen to some of the dribble that passes for scholarship now days.

Drivel. ;)

Wire
March 1, 2008, 01:43 AM
Island of the Blue Dolphins

Wildfire
March 1, 2008, 02:13 AM
Hey there.
I must admit. I agree with the post that said "Book of the rifle"
Mine is getting old now. But is my most prized book.

yhtomit
March 1, 2008, 05:42 AM
Firearms related: "Harrison Bergeron."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron)

Also, Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn.

First book (beyond phonics drill book) I ever read had plenty of independence and some brave gun use -- Dan'l Boone on the Caroliny Trail; I can't come up with an author for it right now, though. If you find a copy, I recommend it!

timothy

luigi
October 9, 2010, 08:44 AM
I am aware that this is an old thread but I think it's interesting that we're almost 3 years out and it hasn't come true.

Sky
October 9, 2010, 10:27 AM
If it had not been for John Carter and the princess of Mars I wonder what might have happened to me and some of my friends? First book I ever read that I actually liked.

I was In the 4 grade and hated school. Edgar Rice Burrows and a conversation with a senior pilot with American is the only thing that got me on the honor role. Lucky, lucky, lucky.

CajunBass
October 9, 2010, 11:27 AM
I know this is old, but it has resurfaced. Since it seems to be more about books to have kids read, I'll mention one that I read when I was a kid, my kids read it later and loved it, as did my wife. It seems to be little known, I seldom see it mentioned even in a list of the author's work.

"Tunnel in the Sky" by Robert Heinlein.

Man that thing sent my mind racing. I don't know how many times I've read it. I think it was the only Heinlein book that I really liked. Put it on your list.

Shadow 7D
October 9, 2010, 02:37 PM
Someone let you read such mind trash as Heinlein??

yeah, that book was great, esp. about preparedness, guy with a knife doing better than the boys with the big toys...

JTH
October 9, 2010, 02:47 PM
I've been a high school teacher for the last 16 years. I started at the age of 40. This is my third and last career. Mainly due to state an federal laws(loop holes districts have jump through for funding), it's a broken system. Students that are considered special education, that are main streamed, that have behavioral issues can stop a class's teaching environment dead in it's tracks and these students do not necessarily need to be be considered special education and then there is the BIP(Behavioral Intervention Process), you have somewhere bertween 90-140 students in 7 periods of an 8 period day. You do referrals and the student is back in your class generally within a day. You would have to see it to believe the environment, much smaller rural schools tend to be a much better environment for teachers and students alike. You generally have 30+ students cramed in to a smal classroom that the teacher can't even walk up and down the isles. Large schools of 2,000+ schools are small cities with all the problems that go on in cities. Turf issues, gangs, drug dealing, bullies, etc. On any given day at a H.S. of 2,000+ students, I guarantee you there are several loaded guns on campus, held by students. If I had school age children now, if I could afford it, they would be in private schools. Teaching is for a younger person now who is is good physical condition and the attrition rate is still less than 5 years before they leave teaching. Retention is some what better with a bad economy but you end up with old physically worn out and burned out teachers(like me) that have too much invested into the pension system to quit, even though you have come to hate a job, that once you loved. You can no longer physically discipline a child(some districts do, but parents must sign a permission slip), still if the lick process bruises the student you may very likely still get sued. Most of you poster except for one have never spent one day in a class room at a large public high school, since you graduated, needless to say attempting to teach. I have had two mini-strokes in the last 2 years and I have Severe Spinal Stenosis, in my the Cervical and Lumbar area of my spine. I'm going through the process of seeing Orthopedist's in an attempt to obtain a disabilty retirement becuase I can no longer mentally and physically perform my duties. I wake at 4am walk through the school doors at 6:30am and leave generally between 4-5pm. I'm living on Vicodins to just make the back pain bearable. I'm so physically and mentally exhausted that most nights, I'm in bed by 8:30. So next time you start complaining about schools try to look at it from the teachers perspective. Students are a product of their home environment and 40% of you parents, if you received a grade in the way you raise your children, would be an F, because of their behavior at school .
Parents have empowered their children with a confrontational attitude, mainly because what they see at home and are allowed to get away with at home. About 75% of the children/students are great and a joy to deal with but they get short changes because of the other 25% of the students, who are little monster because they are crack babies, mother's who abuse drugs and alcohol while pregnant and adults who have children, when they themselves are basket cases(my sister's children is a good example. Everyone of you that have high school children, should unexpectedly, show up and request to sit in your child's classroom for just one day in the middle of the school, year and also walk the halls or sit in the cafeteria during lunch. It would be better if you just somehow viewed your childs classrooms on video without anyone knowing but that's not going to happen due to laws in place by school districts. If they know you're coming you'd get the prestaged Dog and Pony Show. It's a broken F'd up system that you and I are paying for.

At 57, I'm pretty much a crippled up old man that is only there for the health insurance. If I'm granted my disability retirement, I will be living on less tha $18,000 a year. I don't believe, that is cheating the system. I teach Health Science Technology, a Career and Technology(Vocational) program for students interested in Health Career Training after high school. I occasionally run into my ex students that are Nurses, Physical Therapists, Paramedics, Radiologic Tecnologist and I'm quite sure there are a couple of Doctors out there. I have made a difference in some of my students lives and believe me it, makes all the negatives go away for a while. I have probaly had 3,000+ students in my 16 years in the classroom but it's time for me to retire and I won't have one regret and will never look back because of decline of our public schools. I would like to still work part time as a Career Counselor, we'll see if I can still walk in a few years. Life isn't fair but really No regrets! Unfortunately most of today's problems in the USA, have been cause by my generation "The Baby Boomers"!:banghead:
JT

rbernie
October 9, 2010, 05:35 PM
THR is not a book review club, and since the OP was created we have stopped providing a place to post about social ills/concerns.

If anyone has a specific call to Activism relative to what we teach our youth, PM me and I'll consider reopening this thread.

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