Winchester Model 12 questions....


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natedog
January 12, 2003, 12:45 PM
My only shotgun is a Winchester Model 12 20 gauge. It belonged to my great grandfarher, and I assume he bought it in the 40s-50s. Can any one tell me it's approximate value, when it was manufactured, ect. serial # is 1346XXX

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Jim Watson
January 12, 2003, 01:11 PM
1953
Blue Book value $375 - $795 depending on condition.
Shorter barrels and more open chokes are said to be worth more IF original.

bfoster
January 12, 2003, 02:44 PM
Your M 12 was made in 1951.

Bob

natedog
January 12, 2003, 04:15 PM
the finish is still intact. the only visible wear is on the magazine, which has some of the finish streaked of by the pump handle. by the way, does anyone know how to take the magazine plug out?

rick_reno
January 12, 2003, 05:06 PM
Your gun was made in 1953.

I could send you a diagram showing the take down of that gun and all the parts; I'll send another note labeling the parts for you. With this you should be able to get the plug out. Everytime I try and describe how to take one of these guns apart, it develops in more typing than I want to do. What's your email address?

natedog
January 12, 2003, 10:31 PM
natedog375@msn.com

Red Label
January 13, 2003, 11:34 PM
I tell you what. Seeing as how this gun really has no sentimental value to you why don't you just send it to me as is and that way you won't have to worry about that darn plug:D

natedog
January 14, 2003, 12:37 AM
got any USAS 12's? ill trade....

natedog
January 14, 2003, 10:55 PM
oh by the way what kind is it? it doesn't specify on the gun. is it a trap, quail, pheasant, ect. i know these may not be real models, but i hope you know what i mean (ie theres an 870 express, 870 magnum, 870 turkey, ext.)

DHolland
March 12, 2005, 09:56 PM
I have one I received from my father. S/N 553XXX. Does anyone have any idea how old this one is? It is 12ga, Full Choke, 30" barrel, Nickel Steel, most of the blueing is gone, it just has a nice dark patina color, no rust, original dark walnut stock. Shoots great, it was the first gun I ever fired.

kudu
March 12, 2005, 10:06 PM
According to Blue Book's reference guide it was made in 1928.

DHolland
March 12, 2005, 10:07 PM
Sorry, just double checked the S/N - I had the numbers mixed up, it is 563XXX. According to http://armscollectors.com/sn/winlookup.php it was made in 1929 - makes sense, it was my grandfathers, then my fathers and now mine.

Molitor
March 17, 2006, 09:54 PM
Hey all, I was wondering about my Winchester model 12, 12 gauge. I dont know the year or price or nothin'. The serial number is 869709 and says it was made in New Haven, Conn. other things it says on the barrel is 2 3/4 chamber, and it says full. if ya could let me know any info on it that would be great. I'v been lookin for about an hour and a half now and i found this site. My MSN is hansy27@hotmail.com just let me kno, thanks

mswestfall
March 17, 2006, 10:42 PM
Natedog,

Do you want to sell for cash?

Col Kurtz
March 19, 2006, 10:53 AM
Great Grandfathers shotgun.
You will hate yourself someday if you sell it.

I have a Colt 1911 in my safe.
It was carried in WWII, Korea & Vietman by members of the same family.This gun has more history that you could imagine. I bought it from a grandson that needed money for a car payment. I was actually furious at him for selling it but if I didnt take it somone would have and it would have been lost forever. I took it and put it away for his son who at the moment shows better jugement than the father. I will give it to him at some point when he's older. It's not just a gun it's part of your family history.

roo_ster
March 19, 2006, 10:11 PM
I took it and put it away for his son who at the moment shows better jugement than the father. I will give it to him at some point when he's older.
I don't care what other folks say about you, you are a d@mn fine man for doing that.

Mijiman
September 26, 2006, 12:47 PM
Hi,

Thanks to this forum I now know that my model 12 12 gauge was manufactured in 1914. Can you tell me the value of it? That is the first year the 12 gauge was manufactured right? It is in pretty good shape for how old it is and I have to get a new firing pin. Thanks for the help so far and no I will not sell it for any amount except maybe 2 million :) .

miji

selmer84
January 1, 2007, 01:55 PM
Can someone tell me the value of a:

Winchester Model 12 20 gauge
2 3/4 Modified Shirley Jones model
with S/N: 711456

Red Label
January 1, 2007, 07:56 PM
This is:what: :what: :what: a time warp!!!! Anybody else notice the original post was four years ago!!!!

Col Kurtz
January 2, 2007, 01:06 AM
The Partridge Family carried Guns.......Cool

Billy Mixon
June 2, 2007, 11:12 PM
I inherited this shotgun from an uncle around 10 years ago. At that time I had no intention of ever selling it, the blueing was in pretty bad shape, so I, in my ignorance, had it reblued. What made it worse, probably, I had it done in a matte finish. On top of that, there is a slight barrel spread about 3 inches from the muzzle.
After I'd gotten it from my uncle and taking the stock off, I found an Alabama hunting liscense in the stock dated 1936 so I know the gun is that old. All I can find for a serial number is on the bottom front of the receiver, is "33972." The same number is stamped on the back end of the magazine tube. Is that the serial number? Can the date of manufacture be determined with that?
The shotgun is a 20 ga cyl bore. I know I messed up when I had it reblued, but can anyone give me a ball park figure of what it might be worth? I'd sure appreciate it.
I don't get a chance to be online very often, so if anyone can enlighten me send a reply to bmixon@elmore.rr.com.
Thanks

wjaynes
December 23, 2007, 10:28 PM
I didn't have a question but thought I had bragging rights here on a Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck (3" mag) with factory Poly-Choke 30". I just picked it up in Arkansas last Wednesday made in 1951 for $275 from a gun store. No cracks or chips in stock, with factory furniture. Finish is about 80% and took it out today and didn't miss a beat. I even ran 7 shots without letting off the trigger, awesome gun.

Dave McCracken
December 23, 2007, 11:37 PM
Good deal. now go wear it out....

melgriff
December 26, 2007, 04:27 PM
My Father-in-Law gave the gun he has had since he was 8 to my husband for Christmas. We don't know a whole lot about the gun because he found it when he was a child out walking with his father. It is a Winchester Model 12 12 guage. It is a Nickle platted smooth boar full choke with either a 30" or 36" barrell. I know he found it sometime between 1947 & 1949 but we don't know the year of the gun. It needs a new stock and to be cleaned but other than that it is in good shape. How would i find out what year the gun is and if we can get a replacement stock for it? I would like to get it appraise for insurance purposes but don't know where to begin. Any information would be appreciated.

JoeG52
December 26, 2007, 06:24 PM
Here is where you can get the date of manufacture....
http://oldguns.net/sn_php/windateslookup.php?file=win1912.dat

Red Label
December 26, 2007, 07:52 PM
That is an amazing story! He found a gun while out walking???? Wish I could find guns while I was just out walking around!

melgriff
January 4, 2008, 04:20 PM
i found out his Model 12 is from 1924. His dad grew up on a farm and was walking a cow to the neighbors farm with his dad when they seen it leaning up against a fence in the middle of nowhere and no one was around. His dad told him if it was still there when they came back he could take it home. My husband and I didn't know the story behind it until Christmas day.

We would be interested in trying to locate a stock for it still. If anyone might have an idea of where to look I would appreciate any help.

rcmodel
January 4, 2008, 04:32 PM
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=winchester+model+12+stock

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/1224.gif
rcmodel

Red Label
January 5, 2008, 07:46 AM
Also try www.e-gunparts.com They got EVERTHING

wjaynes
January 19, 2008, 01:39 AM
You can also go to:
http://www.winchesterguns.com/services/obsolete.asp

They have several links to find parts for your Winchester.

As for my Arkansas find. Went out and shot six rounds of skeet, it did very well except for the Winchester "white box" of shells. Did not like them at all and had to force it to spit them out. From now on AA black box is the only way to go.

It has the deluxe poly choke on it and a recoil pad but the recoil is more like a 28 ga. We removed the recoil pad and found eight ounces of lead in the stock. Back before the days of mercury installation. Makes it very nice to shoot in skeet without the next day stiffness.

I am curious if anyone knows. I had a 1300XTR and became used to the forearm, I was trying to find out if I could replace the wood on the model 12, I know they are hard to find, wondered about dimensions and could go from there.


ONE LAST NOTE TO MENTION:

Melgriff, I would strongly suggest that since not knowing it's history or working order. Have a gunsmith thoroughly check it out and use a 50-foot piece of kite string to pull the trigger for the first five shells.

Clipper
January 19, 2008, 08:51 AM
There are usually lots of M-12 stocks, both new and used, on e-Bay.

gunut
January 19, 2008, 09:50 PM
Melgriff;
I have a couple of that era 12ga model 12 stocks if your interested..

JLP
September 16, 2008, 12:12 PM
I am in central Texas and have two Wincheter Model 12 I am wanting to sell but know nothing about them except were handed down to me from my dad. I do remeber that over 20 years ago he go offered $800 for the 20 ga.

1 - 12 - 12 ga, Nickel steel, Full, # 538583
1 - 12 - 20 ga, 2 /34 chamber, Winchester Proof Steel, Mod, # 2703223

From the forum it referrences page http://oldguns.net/sn_php/windateslookup.php?file=win1912.dat to get a manufature date. The page shows Winchester Model 1912; Covering numbers: 1 - 2023672. The 20 ga number is higher? I went to the other lookup page and there is no model 12? Is the 1912 the same as the model 12?
I'm so confused! Any info would be helpful.
Jon

JLP
September 16, 2008, 02:28 PM
I emailed the pre-referenced oldguns.net and John Spangler gave me a prompt reply, 'Winchester changed the name from 1912 to Model 12 around 1918. The 20 ga and 12 ga Model 12 guns were numbered in the same series. We only included the numbers for which we had data. You can probably find later guns on another source.'
The 12 ga. was made in 1928 and the 20 ga. is post 1976.

I am still looking for any info on where to reseach and find out what they are worth and or where to sell them. You can also email me at jonpcustoms@yahoo.com.
Jon

chas08
September 16, 2008, 03:26 PM
the 20 ga. is post 1976.

I was under the impression that Model 12 production ceased in 1963 or 64. Is the later model a revived production?

JLP
September 16, 2008, 04:26 PM
From http://oldguns.net/sn_php/windateslo...le=win1912.dat it shows, 'Winchester Model 1912: Covering numbers: 1 - 2023672', if you enter '2023672' it shows, "The year of manufacture for serial number 2023672 is 1976."
JP

JLP
September 16, 2008, 04:30 PM
Quote: Is the later model a revived production?
All I know is what I have l shown. I know mine is a Winchester 12-20 and is pretty much identical to the older 12 ga.
Jon

10X
September 17, 2008, 09:53 AM
Winchester made the model 12 on a limited basis into the 1970s.

There were engineering revisions to reduce production cost with the end result all the parts were still interchangeable with the original model 12s.

You should see the letter "Y" preceding the serial number (2,000,000 and above) for the 1970s production guns. They are known as Y series guns. They have upgraded wood, engine turned bolts and carriers and vent ribs. They are very good guns.

JLP
September 17, 2008, 11:01 AM
There is no 'Y', just the serial number on the mechanism and barrel.
Jon

ReloaderFred
September 17, 2008, 12:14 PM
I was at a gun show in Cody, Wyoming, in June of this year. We were there for the Wyoming State SASS Championships, and there was a gun show the same weekend. A gentleman was walking around the show with a really nice condition Model 12 in 20 gauge. I asked him if he wanted to sell it and he said I first needed to look at it. He turned it so I could see the serial number, and it was Number 2! He had taken it to the Buffalo Bill Historical Center and they verified it.

I saw him later at the motel and he told me he had turned down $20,000.00 for it, but only because the prospective buyer wanted to pay him $10,000.00 in cash, and write a check for the remaining $10,000.00. He said he wasn't about to take a check from a stranger.

My shooting partner was with me and we just shook our heads. You can bet I would have figured out a way to consumate that deal, if it had been me. Our wives couldn't understand somebody turning down $20,000.00 for an "old gun", but when we explained it to them, they understood.

The gentleman said he lived in Idaho, and was there for the Winchester Collector's gun show. He said he might list it on Gun Broker, but I never checked when we got back home to see if he did.

Fred

jamesbarnard
September 19, 2008, 07:51 AM
I am a new model 12 owner and have questions about loading- my other pump guns automatically hold the shells in the magazine tube when inserted. Is the model 12 any different- I note that when I load magazine tube, shells protrude into chamber and are held by the silver lever on the bottom of the magazine. Is this normal? Do model 12's load /operate any differently? Thanks for your reply

chas08
September 19, 2008, 08:10 AM
I note that when I load magazine tube, shells protrude into chamber and are held by the silver lever on the bottom of the magazine.

Thats normal.:)

brasskeeper
September 19, 2008, 07:40 PM
Wow old thread.

JLP
September 24, 2008, 12:26 PM
How does one go about getting a guns worth or an accurate appraisal?
I have 2 model 12s I wanna sell but don't want to give them away. I am in central Texas. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks, JLP

10X
September 24, 2008, 12:41 PM
With a SN in the 2.7 million range and no "Y" I would guess the one Model 12 is a reintroduction by Browning using the Winchester name.

To get an idea of value check out Ebang.com. This site grabs data from three or more auction sites. Try to find similar guns to yours. I find the pricing in auction sites 20%-25% higher than realistic prices.

Another alternative is to visit gun shows. You can cruise the isles and look at Model 12s in similar shape to yours and get an idea of asking prices. Most prices will come down 10% or sometimes more when bargaining, so keep that in mind.

MoxleyK98
December 17, 2008, 08:20 PM
I now own a Winchester Model 12, 12 gauge, the year of which is unknown.
Can any of you guys/girls please help?

Serial # - 535648

gunut
December 18, 2008, 10:30 AM
1928......

leetuser
December 28, 2008, 01:19 AM
My grandfather gave me a model 12 which he said he father perchased at a pawn shop for 25 bucks. Can anyone tell me the year it was made? 12 guage Serial # 167981

Has a 21 inch barrel with with a weaver choke to accept different screw on chokes. I don't know if that is stock or not.

leetuser
December 28, 2008, 01:20 AM
My grandfather gave me a model 12 which he said he father perchased at a pawn shop for 25 bucks. Can anyone tell me the year it was made? 12 guage Serial # 167981

Has a 21 inch barrel with with a weaver choke to accept different screw on chokes. I don't know if that is stock or not.

MrC
January 15, 2009, 01:16 AM
Wow! This forum spans along time.

leetuser, if you are still around. Your gun was made in 1918. That was the year Winchester changed the name from Model 1912 to Model 12.

Your choke system is not factory. Winchester never installed weaver choke systems. They did have some Poly Chokes put on guns but this was many years later. You will find many guns with Poly Chokes, Cutts Compensators and other types of chokes that were put on as after market items by the owners. If you look on the rear of the barrel you will probably see the original choke markings stamped. Most likely it will read FULL or Mod.

prstorsved
January 16, 2009, 02:10 PM
My father has a wonderful 16 gauge chambered for 2 9/16. Shells for this have not been made since the early 1970's. Some folks say this is a rare model and others say it was very common and I should get the barrel bored out so it can shoot the 2 3/4 shells.

What is the real story. He has a friend that also has the same chambered gun.

thanks!
Paul

MMCSRET
January 16, 2009, 03:18 PM
The early M1912 and M12 models were chambered for the short 16 ga. because that was the standard length for 16 ga up until right after WW1. I also have a M1912 in that chambering and it will be fine with the 2 and 3/4" 16 ga as long as they are the old style roll crimp, which are nor that easy to find. I picked up a case of Kynoch 2&3/4 and took one apart and measured it. it is the same unfolded length as Western 2&9/16 length shells. In order to use folded crimp plastic shells you must lengthen the chamber and widen the ejection port. I won't do that to mine, as its a family heirloom. If you hand load you can cut shells down and make them work.

Fred Fuller
January 16, 2009, 04:56 PM
Even zombies don't get resurrected this often. For Pete's sake, start a new Model 12 thread already, and stop with the necromancy- it's creepy!

lpl

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