Obsolite Military Bolt Action Rifle Match -Southern California


Andrew Wyatt
December 25, 2002, 03:07 PM
My Father and I are going to put on the second annual OMBAR match in lancaster in March or April. (same general time we did last year's match) Loaner rifles are available.

this years match will consists of three stages of fire, the first being the lord roberts match, the second being the Rifle ten, and the third stage will include some snap shooting.

the match will be held at the Desert marksman range in Lancaster.

Who would like to attend?

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Dave Markowitz
December 25, 2002, 08:54 PM
Sounds really fun. Since I'm in PA I won't be able to partake. However, can you post the rules or a detailed description for each stage? Maybe our PA/NJ members would be interested in an East Coast version?

Steve Smith
December 25, 2002, 10:14 PM
Frodo beat me to it. Could you explain the course of fire for the events and the types of rifles that may be used?

Andrew Wyatt
December 26, 2002, 01:07 AM
I'd be glad to.

the equipment rules are as follows:

1. Any rifle used must be a bolt action that was accepted for service by the military of a nation. (replicas like the recent Mauser reproduction model 98's count for this rule)
2. Optics are allowed, however, their scores are only compared against other optics shooters. More on this to follow.
3. In the instances where there is a pistol stage of fire, pistols must adhere to Swat magazine World championship 3 gun rules.

The way scoring works is as follows:
Scoring is done on a percentile basis, where the top shooter in each category receives 100%, and each person's score is calculated as a percentage of the top score. If bob (top scorer for the stage) tallied 10 hits on the lord Roberts match, and jack tallied 5 hits, he'd gain 50 points for the stage to bob's 100. When there are different classes, (optics and whatnot) the top scorer in each class sets the score that each classes score is figured from.
If jimmy (who shot a number4mk1T) got 8 hits (top score for scoped rifles in the stage), then bobby (who also shot a number4mk1T), who tallied 7 hits, would get an 87 to jimmy's 100.
If you want, and have enough shooters to do so, four classes can be used for scoring purposes.

Sporter (iron)- for bubbaized rifles that have had chopped wood and/or barrels that utilize iron sights.
Sportier (scope)- same as above, but for scoped weapons
Military (iron)- unmodified weapons in military trim, iron sights
Military (scope)- unmodified weapons in military trim, with scopes, preferably of a type that was issued on the weapon while it was in service.

On to the stages of fire:

Stage 1 should always be the lord Roberts match (modified), which consists of an IDPA silhouette target (which is a substitution of the original 18 inch round bullseye) placed at 300 yards. The shooter starts in any position, and when the buzzer sounds, has 1 minute to place as many hits on the target as he can. Hits anywhere on the target (anywhere in the bull if using the original target type) count as one hit. The score to shoot for is 15 hits. The maximum I’ve heard of is 32 hits, which was done by a British training sergeant just before WWII.

Stage 2 for this year is the Rifle ten.
There is 1 IDPA Silhouette target placed at 200 yards from the start position, and a path marked out with five shoot positions heading off towards the target, stopping somewhere short of the targets, around 100 yards away. The first two positions are freestyle, the third position is a supported position over a barrel, stack of tires, or something else, the forth can be shot from no lower than kneeling, and the final position is fired from standing. At each position, the shooter must fire twice at the target. Scoring is Comstock with a par time.

Stage three this year is Snaps.

It has two targets, one at 50 yards, one at 25 yards. (IDPA silhouettes, as always) on the buzzer, the shooter fires one shot at the designated target in the quickest possible time from offhand. (This is done five separate times per target) The first target designated is the 25-yard target, and only headshots count. The second string of five is the 50-yard target, where the whole target is scored. Score is score minus time.

I'll be putting up more stages that would work with this type of match later on, but it's time for me to go to sleep.

December 26, 2002, 12:36 PM

Sounds like a fun match. Plus mil-surp bolt guns are super cheap right now. I've got a Mauser, Enfield, and Nagant that would love to come out and play for once.

Unfortunatly for me I ain't going to drive to Lancaster for a match! :)

Andrew Wyatt
December 26, 2002, 01:49 PM
If you start driving now, you could be here in time for the match. :D

December 26, 2002, 02:24 PM
You need to come out this way and shoot in one of our 3 gun matches Andy. They of course aren't nearly as nice as the WC3gun, but I'll introduce you guys as celebrities. :) Of course then you will be expected to whoop up on all us poor mountain folk. :p

Seriously though, the old rifle match sounds like a ton of fun.

December 26, 2002, 04:38 PM
So when are you going to announce the date ? I very well might make it, although I really hesitate to bring firearms into the people's republic. It looks like I would use my Sweede on the Lord Roberts and probably my Finn on the rest. The Sweede is a wonderful rifle but at closer range, the 300 yard zero makes Kentucky windage too much for me in the heat of a match. I shot it in one match. One stage was a team event where we were shooting rows of bowling pins at 50 yards. I was holding like a foot under the pin to hit it. The thing about my Sweede is that it is the only milsurp that I own that runs really good with stripper clips. It feeds like soft butter.

Andrew, you ought to make a trip up to Las Vegas for one of our monthly Vintage Bolt Action Rifle matches at Desert Sportsmans. I haven't been active for about six months, but they are a lot of fun. The course of fire varies from month to month. Some of them get kind of exotic. One of the last matches I shot required you to shoot from a "bunker" while holding a potato masher (can nailed to the end of a broomstick) in your weak hand.

Andrew Wyatt
December 28, 2002, 02:07 PM
WOuld you guys like me to write this stuff up all official like and post it on a web page somewhere?

January 1, 2003, 12:29 AM
I live in Long Beach, PDSR CA. Lancaster is not out of my sphere of activity, but I have to have perhaps a month's advance to arrange the dates.

I have something that will qualify.

January 2, 2003, 04:25 PM
WOuld you guys like me to write this stuff up all official like and post it on a web page somewhere?

I would like that very much.

January 2, 2003, 07:57 PM
That sounds great. I'll come and I think a buddy of mine will be interested too.

Can I use a sporterized 03A3 and an original?

Andrew Wyatt
January 5, 2003, 09:55 PM
sporterized 1903a3's are allowed. as long as it isn't a full blown benchrest rifle that happens to use an action that was a mauser or springfield at one time, it's okay to use as long as it meets the criteria above.

that's great that there's a lot of interest. last years match only had ten or so people show up.

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