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varoadking
June 13, 2008, 06:50 PM
Anyone dealt with these cats?

Pale Horse Leather Holsters

http://palehorseholsters.com/

I paid for a holster and they will not return an email confirmation.

TIA

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jocko
June 13, 2008, 07:36 PM
I have bought two from them in the past with no issues, then last year I ordered a pocket holster for my kahr pm9 andnever heard from them in months. rewrote them, again nothing, rewrote them again, again no answer. I had never paid for the holster though but I have since given up on them. a shame for they make great stuff, really good stuff, but I won't kiss their ass to do business either. Lots of other good makers out there that will take my money........ don't know what your recourse is either, when dealing with someone miles apart. I can't believe they would screw you out of your money though.....

denfoote
June 14, 2008, 06:12 AM
Their web site may be paid up long term, but they may be out of business. One does not imply the other!!! ;)

varoadking
June 14, 2008, 07:42 AM
Their web site may be paid up long term, but they may be out of business.

No response does make one wonder...

Iggy
June 14, 2008, 08:42 AM
http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1203130840

JohnBT
June 14, 2008, 09:42 AM
Ever the optimist, I ordered a holster and 2 single mag carriers off of their in-stock list last year.

Of course I fouled up the on-line order and paid too much :banghead: which I discovered when he immediately e-mailed me with some options: a $10 refund or take a double mag carrier instead of a single.

They sent the backpocket holster for my Rohrbaugh, a single and a double mag carrier and all was well. It took about a week or so.

John

JohnBT
June 14, 2008, 09:46 AM
Did everybody read "** Note from Ron Graham" on the Pale Horse front page? Lots of good info.

He makes a great holster; I've been extremely pleased. I wish I could have gotten another Hedley, but I missed his cutoff before he shut down.

John

alamo
June 14, 2008, 10:57 AM
He makes a great holster; I've been extremely pleased. I wish I could have gotten another Hedley, but I missed his cutoff before he shut down.


He sure made great holsters. I guess he's retiring for good now. He started making holsters in retirement as a hobby and was so good at it that I think it got to be more of a job due to the high demand for his holsters. I've got 5 of them, the last one was for my 2G P-3AT.

http://www.hedleyholsters.com/

If I need a pocket holster in the future, I'd get one from Ron Graham or K&D Holsters.

PX15
June 14, 2008, 11:44 AM
JOHNBT:

I don't think anyone is doubting that Ron Graham makes fantastic holsters...

The problem seems to be that his sole distributor "Pale Horse" is sorely lacking in how they handle sales and delivery of those Ron Graham holsters..

It doesn't matter how good a holster is, unless after you BUY one of those holsters through Pale Horse that holster you paid for in advance actually shows up at your home it's a crappy deal.

There are several members of the www.seecamp.com forum who have been trying to get these very issues resolved for several months, with product paid for, but never being sent to the buyer.

But hey, it's America... You pays your money and takes your choice.

Too many other QUALITY holstermakers in the business for me to deal with one whose sole distributor can find the post office to pick up payment, but apparently cannot manage to find the post office to ship the product..:barf:

Just personal opinion/YMMV

Best Wishes,

Jesse

varoadking
June 14, 2008, 01:30 PM
Did everybody read "** Note from Ron Graham" on the Pale Horse front page?

Ya mean this:

"Pale Horse Leather Holsters welcomes e-mail correspondence from customers."

varoadking
June 14, 2008, 01:56 PM
You should perhaps read this thread.

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http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2...num=1203130840

Thanks, IGGY...

MT GUNNY
June 14, 2008, 02:05 PM
has it 8 to 16 weeks?

varoadking
June 14, 2008, 02:26 PM
has it 8 to 16 weeks?

3 weeks with no response to numerous emails. Read the thread IGGY provided...bad juju...

Ol` Joe
June 14, 2008, 04:12 PM
I`ve followed the thread on the Seecamp forum since its onset, and don`t understand Mr Graham. There are reports of holsters ordered back in Dec that suposedly were "in stock" and still haven`t been recieved. Multiple E-mails aren`t responded to either. It appears PaleHorse and Ron are two seperate people but, it is Ron Grahams name on the line and he should quit ignoring the fact there seems to be a problem.
I`ve one of his holsters and it is IMO top of the line. I had no trouble when I made my purchase and was treated well at the time. I`d recommend one to anyone except for the apparent lack of customer service lately. I truely hope he gets his distributor moving before it harms his business, and does a better job of keeping communications going with customers.

xray 99
June 14, 2008, 04:56 PM
The custom holster business has a few name makers that have fallen WAY behind. I've been ripped off by two of them. I will not name them.

It seems they become inundated with orders once the word gets out. One of my favorites was written up in a national gunzine and I fear I'll never be able to do business with him again! Further, those who will do any kind of custom work have the biggest backlog. The guy who wants a pancake with eliphant re-enfoced mouth. shark body, 9.887 degree cant eats up a lot of time.

varoadking
June 14, 2008, 05:03 PM
Sure wish I'd seen the Seecamp thread before I ordered...

Marc Lampert
May 9, 2009, 11:14 PM
I prepaid an order to Pale Horse through Pay Pal and attempted to contact them after 6 months but no response. I learned the Ron Graham was involved in this outfit and contact him, provided him with all the order and payment documentation and he promised to fill the order. It has been over a year and I don't have the holster and can't find Ron Graham. All his web sites and addresses are shut down. I had heard a great deal about Ron Graham in shooting circles but it turns out that he was just another liar. What a disappointment. I simply got ripped off by Ron Graham. Beware of this guy or his front, Pale Horse

JohnBT
May 10, 2009, 11:15 AM
Sad, but the site still works for me and he's posted this month on his forum.

www.grahamholsters.com

Marc Lampert
May 10, 2009, 11:50 AM
The address you provide gets you to the Pale Horse/Graham Holster page but the email links provided including the webmaster link are dead ends. Those email contact links are shut down. I could currently find no way to contact Graham (who was in contact before and made certain promises and assurances, none of which were true - I can provide the emails on request) . I agree. It is sad. He had a reputation as a master holster maker and an ethical businessman. I left him alone for about a year after receiving his assurances and promises but as my doubt and insecurities grew, I tried to contact him and he was no longer available. We are just talking about $65+ dollars but I felt the need to let others know that Ron Graham ain't Ron Graham anymore. Thanks.

usp9
May 10, 2009, 02:07 PM
I wish I could have gotten another Hedley, but I missed his cutoff before he shut down.


There is hope yet!

RJ Hedley's daughter has said she is training to take over his (RJ's) production and holsters will be available again when RJ is happy with the quality. This also comes from the Seecamp forum. Don't delete that bookmark yet. I own one hedley and it is a good holster.

usp9
May 10, 2009, 02:08 PM
The news was so good I repeated it.

JohnBT
May 10, 2009, 06:01 PM
"RJ Hedley's daughter has said she is training to take over his (RJ's) production"

http://forum.digital-digest.com/images/smilies/1/bowing.gif

JohnBT
May 10, 2009, 06:15 PM
I don't know if you can reach him through the seecamp forum or not. See this thread from last November where he hints at some of the problems; seemingly with Pale Horse.

"If you have an order with "Pale Horse"...not my company.....nor was I ever paid...."

www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1222708167/0#0

Marc Lampert
May 14, 2009, 11:26 AM
Thanks. I posted on the Seecamp site and got some constructive help but there are a few sociopaths over there that live to take cheap shots at each other. There appears to be more good than bad posters so I just hold my nose and proceed with caution and humor. I appreciate your guidance.
Marc

LMTribbett
June 8, 2009, 08:36 PM
I guess I'm not the only victim of this outfit. I ordered a holster from them in May 2008. I've been trying to contact Ron Graham, with no success. His email addresses are dead ends. The ross@palehorseholsters.com doesn't come back as undeliverable, but there is never any response to it.

I've seen Ron's comments that he is separate from Pale Horse Holsters. That's a cop-out in my opinion. Granted it's not my life savings involved here, but I don't appreciate being ripped off.

Word of advice from one who tried it: Don't order from Ron Graham!!!

PX15
June 10, 2009, 08:22 AM
Marc Lampert:

As one of the offending "sociopaths" I just wanted to apologize again for my comments to you on the Seecamp forum..

I made an apology to the forum members in general, but mentioned you specifically on the "ammunition" sub-forum but not sure you ever saw it.

Senior citizens and semi-senility often go "hand in hand", but that's just an excuse as there is never any legitimate reason for nasty comments on any forum..:barf:

So again my apology to you personally, and I've decided to leave the arena of confrontation to others in the future to the best of my ability.

Best Wishes,

Jesse Pomeroy

glock36
June 11, 2009, 10:29 PM
I just tryed the link you provided an the site is off line

ultragp113
October 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
I ordered three holsters for my Rohrbaugh in May 2007 for total of around $180. I never received replies to my numerous e-mails. I contacted Paypal and it was past their 30 day period for me to file under their resolution section. I'm out my money from a man which supposibly was to have had a good reputation in the industry. I've seen where he claims not to be responsible for orders through Pale Horse, but his name was associated with this company. I e-mailed Pale Horse and Ron Graham without receiving the benefit of a reply. Way to conduct business Ron. My dad taught me a man's reputation is all he really has!!!

PX15
October 30, 2009, 01:24 PM
ultra:

RG/Palehorse dealings have been a topic of discussion on the Seecamp forum (www.seecamp.com), holster section, for a long, long time..

I believe conventional wisdom is that while his reputation was at one time very, very good, I believe that is no longer the case.

Sad, isn't it?

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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