How about a "Million Gunowners March"?


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batjka
November 8, 2008, 12:58 PM
So with Obama coming to the office I think we need to show strength and voice our concern. How about a "Million Gunowners March" on Washington? I don't remember any pro-gun mass rally in D.C. If Farrakhan could do it, why not us?

Maybe NRA can organize such an event and I'm sure people will show up en-mass. This is a good way to show our resolve to keep the 2nd Amendment going for as long as this country exists. I'll even take a day off to participate.

Letters to Congressmen and such are good, but there's nothing like a mass rally in front of the TV cameras to spread the word. Million Men march only drew 400000. We can bring over a million easily.

So, who's with me? Let's contact the NRA and get the ball rolling.

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BullsEye10x
November 8, 2008, 01:20 PM
Great idea, but I have a feeling that any type of gun-related protest near capitol hill would be treated as a riot and dealt with accordingly. Lots of Texans tried to organize a gathering to protest the SPP (Security Prosperity Partnership) meeting, otherwise known as the NAU summit, in New Orleans earlier this year. They were promptly turned away by the local authorities, who threatened arrest and or imprisonment if they did not desist.

batjka
November 8, 2008, 01:38 PM
I think they will have no grounds in denying us the right to gather. We are the same citizens as anyone else, if not better. I'm sure this will be allowed. And I'm positive that everyone will behave properly and not cause disturbances. One thing is a protest against a meeting, another is a demonstration in defense of something.

We HAVE to act or we'll be history.

Who's the guy at NRA that needs to be contacted? They should be extremely interested as this would be a GREAT fundraising opportunity as well as the show of political force.

Hk91-762mm
November 8, 2008, 07:03 PM
I recall in Canada they had a march on the capitol thousands showed up Allen Rock came out on the balcony and spoke out the corner of his mouth--We must do what is good for canada--and all the sheeple who showed up finally went home to the same ol laws!!
I would go only if we vowed that we would take back our rights By any means necessary! And go Gladly!

TeamPrecisionIT
November 8, 2008, 07:28 PM
I agree, the only way this would bear any fruit is if we took a true stance and used the second amendment what it was there for. Now I'm not saying going there shooting, but going there with just the hippy mentality that a march is good enough will get us nowhere. The second amendment was placed in our constitution for a reason, and this could turn out to be the reason. Doing it right now, I believe will not be as powerful as doing this the week legislation is looking to get passed. Right now, is the time to contact your legislators and tell them your feelings on the second amendment and their being in office. Let them know what kind of a piece of the pie you represent and that if they want to keep their jobs, they should stay on the side of the people where they belong.

Damian

ants
November 8, 2008, 08:36 PM
The press would dub it "The Million Moron March".

hobgob
November 8, 2008, 10:28 PM
If anything happens, I'll secede from the union!

cliffy
November 9, 2008, 12:13 AM
Build a really big jail and order in lots of food. cliffy

Hoppy590
November 9, 2008, 12:34 AM
A million gun owner march?

last i checked thats called a Revolt, and if successful a Revolution

:)

Chuck Dye
November 9, 2008, 12:35 AM
War on blah blah...

Million so-and-so...

Sure cues to tune out.

PLEASE spare me!

Lonest@r
November 9, 2008, 12:38 AM
Sounds like a legitimate act of demonstration/protest. Definately worth consideration. It's how all others get their 'civil' rights.... Remember the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Gun enthusiasts can sit around in a circle and complain, send money to NRA and blame who ever we want, all while Washington refuses to listen. Nothing better than a Million 'Musket' March in the streets of Washington to get their attention. Even better if they all used their CCW permit as valid form of identification.

CHEROKEE1934
November 9, 2008, 12:39 AM
I think this is a good idea. It would take a lot of planing and we would have to
pick a Date and time. If something is not done we are going to be lost in a few years.

smartshooter.45
November 9, 2008, 12:45 AM
a well planned march on the capitol could have a great positive effect on the law making community. washington needs to know just how many voting gun owners there really are!

on the other hand, heading into washington guns-in-hand doesnt seem very wise. your going to end up with jail time or a hole in your belly.

Lonest@r
November 9, 2008, 01:21 AM
DECEMBER 7.... to symbolize..

Why Japan did not invade mainland
"We knew that probably every second home in your country contained firearms. We knew that your country actually had state championships for private citizens shooting military rifles. We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand.”
http://www.twinbuttebunch.org/index.php?fuseaction=articles.japanese
http://www.alabamaservicerifleteam.com/id15.html

and that it may prove helpful the future to have us 'armed citizens' around to 'Wake Up' and act decisively.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wakeup.asp

Not sure how true the Pearl Harbor story is, but it sure demonstrates the importance. We need to convince them they NEED us, especially after reducing military spending...

MD_Willington
November 9, 2008, 01:35 AM
Yes in Canada there were several marches on .gov buildings.

They did it in Victoria BC IIRC.. I'm from BC...

Lonest@r
November 9, 2008, 04:41 PM
what happened? Activism requires action.

logical
November 9, 2008, 05:06 PM
Wouldn't now be a smart time to lay low until they bring it up?

A.M. Baer
November 9, 2008, 05:20 PM
Does anyone really think that the media would treat such a "march" as anything other than a riot of violent criminals wanting to kill children? The media will not show it for what it is, they would make us look like criminals, then LE would gas us, taze us and shoot us; and all the ignorant people would be glad that we are gone.

MikePGS
November 9, 2008, 05:21 PM
Wouldn't now be a smart time to lay low until they bring it up?
I agree. If some sort of legislation were pending, then a march would be in order. Before such an event though, probably try to avoid drawing any attention to the issue unless its through another form of activism.

hobgob
November 9, 2008, 06:52 PM
Does anyone really think that the media would treat such a "march" as anything other than a riot of violent criminals wanting to kill children? The media will not show it for what it is, they would make us look like criminals, then LE would gas us, taze us and shoot us; and all the ignorant people would be glad that we are gone.

Thats an entirely unfounded statement. The media might paint a negative picture, but child murdering criminals and ravenous madmen is not one of em. LEO's would not taze or shoot anyone unless provoked, which would not happen at a peaceful protest! This is the type of stereotype that needs to be refuted and disproved. Being extremely paranoid and believing that THE MAN is out to get you is not helping. Just join the damn NRA and write your representatives! IF that doesn't work, protest! Use your rights!

A.M. Baer
November 9, 2008, 07:07 PM
I have no doubt that an assembly of armed people, or people assembling for the purpose of keeping arms would not be considered a "peaceful assembly" by LE and therefore, the people of such an assembly would be considered rioters, and handled as such. As for the "killing children" part, I on many occasions have been told that I was training children to kill eachother and commit crimes when I was teaching them 4-position small bore shooting.

When law enforcement conclude a mass of people not to be peacefully assembled, they treat the mass of people as rioters; using forms of crowd control such as gas and non-lethal weapons. In some severe cases, people are shot and killed by police officers. The mass media also makes dramatic efforts to obfuscate anything having to do with guns; because of this the general public will view this mass of people as people advocating violence, and therefore LE's actions will not be questioned. This has happened many different times in the past, with protests on different issues.

jmcrawf1
November 9, 2008, 08:43 PM
http://millionriflemarch.com/home/


Disclaimer: Not my website

General Geoff
November 9, 2008, 08:56 PM
LEO's would not taze or shoot anyone unless provoked, which would not happen at a peaceful protest!

You've obviously never heard of the Bonus March.

chemist308
November 9, 2008, 11:05 PM
I would be honored to march with all of you.

2 things though.

1. It may end up more like a 250,000 march the first time we did it, and

2. There would have to be some assurance that this would disintegrate into a riot or have signs or have signs with any threat of violence.

Birddog1911
November 9, 2008, 11:18 PM
I'm pretty sure the OP writer didn't intend for the people in the march to be armed. That would just be the height of stupidity. But I am all for an unarmed peacefull protest. Not that I want to go to DC unarmed, but I'm not an idiot, either.

Cuda
November 10, 2008, 12:40 AM
Does anyone really think that the media would treat such a "march" as anything other than a riot of violent criminals wanting to kill children? The media will not show it for what it is, they would make us look like criminals, then LE would gas us, taze us and shoot us; and all the ignorant people would be glad that we are gone.



Do you really care what the MSM says or what they think?


C

CentralTexas
November 10, 2008, 01:14 AM
Most folks can't afford the time or money to go to D.C., but most everyone can do the state capitol. We really want to get the attention of Congress as there are elections coming in two years and we must act very soon after the Inauguration. Politics decrees that unpopular acts be committed by the President early in the term far years away from re-election, Clinton went for the lifting of gays in the military right away.

I advocate signs, not open carry as that would be scary to sheeple and give the regime an excuse to stop it.

rooter
November 10, 2008, 02:15 AM
If Farrakhan could do it, why not us?

We have jobs.

indoorsoccerfrea
November 10, 2008, 02:17 AM
if this happens at all, i would say open carry is a VERY bad idea. how would it look even to pro-gunners if a crowd of armed protestors march anywhere?

A.M. Baer
November 10, 2008, 02:22 AM
Yes, I think you're right. An armed-peaceful march could be very dangerous, simply because it would look very bad to the general (no gun owning) public.

evan price
November 10, 2008, 02:33 AM
Sorry, no reciprocity in Wash DC for my CCW permit. Wouldn't go anywhere near that snake-infested pit of sin and depravity without some protection in my pocket.

gitnsige
November 10, 2008, 07:20 AM
I am for a march on Washington DC. I mentioned it in a gun store while talking about the issues with another customer. This black guy who was browsing the pistols in a case overheard me and had a subtle smile, knowing exactly what I was talking about. I agree with the aforementioned suggestion of waiting until it really becomes an 'issue' because right now the govt has plenty on its plate and doesn't need any help by us to be diverted away from the business at hand.

batjka
November 10, 2008, 09:06 AM
I think it's best to be proactive instead of reactive. We shouldn't wait until the anti-gun legislation hits the floor of the Senate. We should make our voices heard before they decide to do it.

Lonest@r
November 10, 2008, 10:21 AM
I would be honored to march with all of you.

2 things though.

1. It may end up more like a 250,000 march the first time we did it, and

2. There would have to be some assurance that this would disintegrate into a riot or have signs or have signs with any threat of violence.
i would say open carry is a VERY bad idea.

That is how I had pictured it. A peacful un-armed display of affection for our 2A. A few hundred thousand wearing NRA clothing peacefulling 'touring' the city. Nothing against tourism is there. The choice to use CCW permits as ID (affirming non-criminal leagal citizenship) would just be a adder. I probably would suggest against actual carry just to keep the uneducated hysterical media at bay.
I think it's best to be proactive instead of reactive.
My thoughts exactly. I'm tired of hearing the old-timers, such as certain family members, sitting around complaining, using scare tactics to support 2A, encouraging everyone to join NRA, pointing fingers, blah, blah, blah, but have nothing but excuses for not organizing a pro-gun activist event. Just to pour salt in the wounds, they sound like a bunch of BITTER ole men that like to sit around the table and complain. DO SOMETHING.....

Lonest@r
November 10, 2008, 10:28 AM
BTW, what happend to the Million Rifle March site. Just tried to bring up again and it is just the title, it was all there last night.

http://millionriflemarch.com/home/

GLOCK45GUY
November 10, 2008, 11:20 AM
I don't think the tread starter ment for us to be armed. I would wear an empty holster though.

CAPTAIN MIKE
November 10, 2008, 06:57 PM
Unfortatenly there are several posters on this Forum who TALK but won't WALK. They posture and spout-off but don't put their $$$ and their free time into the effort to support the RKBA and actually wiin elections. I personally have contributed funds, knocked on doors, made calls, sent e-mails and promoted the 2nd Amendment by supporting the Party most likely to support us.

However, even with that the Democrats have won the election and plan to use their political clout and Congressional Majority to pursue their own goals as to firearm ownership. They will support a SUW (sport-utility weapons) ban, and what they call 'reasonable restrictions' on carrying.

Many of those who will whine about it are the same ones who didn't stand up and encourage others in their neighborhood & community to do the same.

Beagle-zebub
November 10, 2008, 07:15 PM
I'm pretty sure the OP writer didn't intend for the people in the march to be armed. That would just be the height of stupidity. But I am all for an unarmed peacefull protest.

+1

You do it on my holiday break, and I'll go.

You might consider holding three, or perhaps four, such rallies simultaneously, for the sake of feasibility: Washington (his new home), Chicago (his old home), Denver, and either San Francisco or LA.

Lonest@r
November 17, 2008, 12:03 AM
Is it just me, or is that millionriflemarch.com site down.. All I see is a Go Daddy ads page. Google still has it cached.

Why can't we organize a NRA or 2A type rally or demonstration. The GAYS organized a national Civil Rights demonstration in protest of PROP 8 in California (there was even one in KY) simply using email, MySpace and Facebook and are effectively getting it overturned.

nicki
November 17, 2008, 02:09 AM
I'm in San Jose Ca, I'm the Pink Pistol coordinator, so I get to see two diverse groups in action.

Irregardless of how you feel on prop 8, it is a study in contrasts of how two different groups act.

For what it is worth, I feel that "Marriage" is a function of "God", not the state, as such, the state should not be issuing marriage licenses in the first place.

Gay Marriage is something that should never have went in front of any court in the first place, but what is done is done.

Prop 8 has motivated the LBGT community. They put out e mails and local rallies against prop 8 happened almost immediately. Most Gay people have jobs, they are not "professional protestors".

Now I compare them to gun owners who come up with "excuses" not to take action because of "fill in blank". The reality is only a small portion of "gun owners" are active in protecting "gun rights".

The Gays will overturn Prop8 because they are fighting for "their rights". They feel it is worth the effort and they aren't looking for someone else to do their battles.

This brings up the concept of the Washington rally. All across the country, gun and ammo sales are booming because people fear Obama will enact new gun bans, yet those same people who are spending large sums of money stocking up on arms and ammo, won't invest any time or money to potentiallly stop a ban from happening in the first place.

I believe a Million Gun Owner March is something that should be done, there is no reason why it shouldn't happen other than apathy or excuses.

This is something that will be planned out a few months in advance, plenty of time to make arraingements to take time of from work.

A all day event for gun rights would allow for massive networking among state and local grassroots gun rights supporters all across the nation.

With you tube, fox news and talk radio, internet bloggers, our message will get out. Liberals no longer have a media and information monopoly.

If you value your gun rights and you live within 200 miles of Wash DC, you are within a 3 to 4 hour drive to DC. It would be a one day commitment.

How many millions of people live within 200 miles of DC, maybe you guys know someone, maybe intimately.

How many gun owners within 200 miles, 10 million plus?

If you live within 400 miles, you probably will have to drive the night before or take special buses, say a 7 to 9 hour drive, still doable.

If would be a long drive back, your commitment, 2-3 days.

How many gun owners within 400 miles, 20 million plus.

Let's see, 600 miles, one complete day drive, one day at rally, drive back.
3 day commitment. Maybe 40 to 50 million gun owners.

Of course there is the rest of the country, a few hard core will fly in for the rally.

The bottom line is we have a larger base of people to draw from then any other group in the country.

The Gays got thousands of people out on short notice on Prop 8 rallies, if we matched their effort, we would have 10 million people in Wash.

For those of us who reside west of the Mississippi, we could help with donations.

Just my 2 cents.

NIcki

2RCO
November 17, 2008, 02:47 AM
If it's done intelligently = nonviolent and most definitely unarmed. I'll be happy to fly in and March along.

Also on another note I have sold a few grips to Pink Pistols members mostly good folks.

mordechaianiliewicz
November 17, 2008, 03:17 AM
I would definetely go. If it happened, it might just make Mr. Obama (I'm refusing to refer to him as the President, just can't do that) think twice before rubber stamping devastating gun controls.

More importantly, it might make Congress think twice before passing the manure in the first place.

batjka
November 17, 2008, 08:44 AM
Nicki,
Forgive me for my ignorance, Pink Pistols is a gay pro-gun group? Well, regardless of your agenda we are in the same boat now as far as the gun rights are concerned. Do you have connections with other pro-RKBA groups? Can you get other organizations on board as well? What we need is an established organization to sponsor the march. We as individuals can say that it is a good idea to rally but unless an effort is made to actually establish a date, get permits, get the word out etc nothing will happen.

Thank you for your involvement. Let's roll on it!

ristmo
November 18, 2008, 12:16 AM
I agree that this is a little early for a march; however, there should still be planning taking place lest it become necessary. And who better to get the word out than the NRA?

I would absolutely fly to DC to participate.

What I'd RATHER do is help organize those here so that come time, several dozen cars / buses would congregate and head out. It could even be arranged so that we meet up with carpools in closer cities along the way, and suddenly you have several hundred vehicles decked out with banners and whatnot, pressing in on the capitol. Every bit as important as the national press a march would get is the local press in towns along the way.

Yes, full time jobs get in the way. But to gain press, defend my rights, and make a difference, I'd save up and take leave without pay -- if I didn't have enough vacation time.

ristmo
November 18, 2008, 12:20 AM
If it happened, it might just make Mr. Obama (I'm refusing to refer to him as the President, just can't do that) think twice before rubber stamping devastating gun controls.

Sorry bro, but like it or not (I do not), he is our President-elect, and he is our leader. If there were a way around it, I'd be all over that, but as it is, he deserves our respect.

ArfinGreebly
November 18, 2008, 12:31 AM
Just a thought, since we're in the "discussion" phase . . .

Call it the "Million Musket March" and equip each marcher with a wooden "generic looking" dummy rifle, painted white. Could be made from a dowel and a piece of 1x4 or whatever.

Yeah, they're just "sticks" but those sticks are symbols.

Heck, if you wanted to, you could add a white canvas "bandolier" with red and blue sticks of chalk in the "cartridge" sleeves.

Anyway.

Just thinkin' out loud.

telecaster1981
November 18, 2008, 01:50 AM
Sorry bro, but like it or not (I do not), he is our President-elect, and he is our leader.

I guess that makes him the head lemming, eh?


If there were a way around it, I'd be all over that, but as it is, he deserves our respect.

Really??? I wasn't all that aware that we're obligated to respect someone based solely on their title. He's done nothing to EARN my respect and therefore doesn't DESERVE it! All I owe any elected official is to operate within the boundaries of the law as well as I can, which I will do for the 4 years (or, God forbid, 8) BO is in office. Then, I'll continue to live with the laws of the land under another President, who may or may not have earned my respect. There's a difference between showing respect for an individual and actually having respect for an individual.

Sorry Ristmo, I'm not intending to flame you...there's just something about your premise that rubbed me the wrong way. This past election reminds me of when I was running for class president my Junior year of high school. At that time, I was exceedingly responsible, considerate, had an exceptional sense of duty, and I was at the top of my class. The guy I was running against really was the class doofus and had never done anything of value (still hasn't, by the way). To make a long story short, he won by promising all of our classmates pizza and more parties...and everytime I see BO, I see the class doofus!

Rant:off!

Anteater1717
November 18, 2008, 02:55 AM
I like the idea; If there are to be fake "representative rifles",they need to have pistol grips and dummy high capacity mags. Since those features are both recognizable and threatened.

Also, we need to emphasize peace so that there is no tear gas involved. Maybe signs that say "peace sign" = AR-15 or something.

HeavenlySword
November 18, 2008, 02:58 AM
We may disagree with BO on positions, but he is has been clearly chosen by America.

Comparing him with your high school 'presidential-rival' is rather inane.

Sorry if i've gone off the high road.

telecaster1981
November 18, 2008, 12:58 PM
We may disagree with BO on positions, but he is has been clearly chosen by America.

Comparing him with your high school 'presidential-rival' is rather inane.

Sorry if i've gone off the high road.

You're still high-road!!! I was surely off topic anyway and in a pissy mood last night. I still don't have any respect for the man other than he holds the title of POTUS, which doesn't count for much in my mind...he's just a man, no better than anyone else.

If the timing is right and I have the money to go, I'd be more than happy to march on Washington!

cobra2411
November 18, 2008, 05:33 PM
What's with all the people saying that the media will label us gun crazed waco's and LE will hose us down with mace or shoot us and then arrest the lot of us?

Do you really believe this is the country you live in? If so, what are you doing to change that?

Obviously we can't bash heads with LE or be violent in any way, but violence isn't the answer anyway and would not work. If it's done peacefully and respectfully for those on the other side of the fence that are scared of guns because they know nothing about them, I believe we would make a change.

How about a "gun owners" day in your local city to support something ie park cleanup, children hospital, etc? Or how about a BBQ with a live band. I'm sure local hunters can bring meats to sample, kinda like a potluck.

I'm sure many places would pick up the story plus you can have public service press releases printed in the paper and read on the radio for free.

The point is to show that gun owners are not crazed wacko's, we are people who care deeply about this country and the citizens within.

When the time comes a Peaceful rally in DC would be a good idea. It would have to be clear that no guns should be brought. LE and secret service are concerned about the safety of the politicians there and it would be too easy for one nutball to slip in and all hell would break loose.

We need to show the non-gun owners that we're their brother, mother, neighbor, best friend, etc and there is nothing to be afraid of. Guns should not be feared, only respected.

Don't be afraid to speak up for what you believe in. 1A protects that and if you don't speak up because of fear then you've lost 1A and the rest doesn't matter...

Lonest@r
November 18, 2008, 07:10 PM
Or how about a BBQ with a live band. I'm sure local hunters can bring meats to sample, kinda like a potluck.

Many of the churchs in my area have a "Wild Game Feed" and participate in 'Sportsman Challange' and 'Hunters for the Hungry', to help homeless and needy.

http://www.huntersforhungry.org/

http://www.sportsmanschallenge.org/index.php

Hoppy590
November 18, 2008, 07:56 PM
we need to emphasize peace so that there is no tear gas involved

since when does a peaceful march mean you wont get tear gassed?

i vote we keep it peaceful, but be prepared. are surplus gas masks up to protecting from TG :p

Owen
November 18, 2008, 09:27 PM
i think marching in the State Capitol, on a Friday or weekend will work out much much better.

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