Sig or Glock in .45ACP for Carry?


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J.Bourne
December 26, 2002, 01:09 AM
I know that the Sig P226 is highly regarded in 9mm by many paramilitary units the world over, including the SEALs.
However, this is in 9mm, and I'm looking for something as highly regarded in .45ACP.

Basically, without the need for a double-strike capacity (i.e. external hammer verse striker fired), would you consider the Glock in .45 as reliable, durable and worthy as a SIG-Sauer?

Or should I just go with the SIG. I already own a Glock .40 S&W, a CZ-75B 9mm, and a Ruger Revolver.

I'm obsessed with reliability and durability issues, as this will be my primary carry weapon from now on.

A genuine thank you for your anticipated feedback.

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Tamara
December 26, 2002, 01:34 AM
Which SIG were you looking at? The 220 or the 245?

denfoote
December 26, 2002, 01:46 AM
Two words: Glock 36. :)

Nosferatu
December 26, 2002, 02:44 AM
Either will serve you well. It's a question about what you are more familiar with.

45R
December 26, 2002, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by J.Bourne


I'm obsessed with reliability and durability issues, as this will be my primary carry weapon from now on.


Doesnt seem like you have a Sig in your collection. The 220 has a great trigger, and is rated as one of the best .45ACP out of the box. Shoot them all and see which one you shoot the best.
Both Sig and Glock are very reliable guns.

Tango Sierra
December 26, 2002, 03:12 AM
You didn't say if it's for open carry or conceal carry.

If it's for open carry I would prefer an H&K USP. My son has one as a duty weapon and I shoot it much better than my own Sig P220 but you need to pick what fits your hand better.

If it's for conceal carry I'd go with the Glock 36 or 30. Rent both to see which works best for you.

Ala Dan
December 26, 2002, 04:21 AM
I have relied on the SIG-Sauer P220 in .45 ACP to
save my bacon more than once. I see no need to change!

Instead of two words as the other poster used; I will only
use one:RELIABILITY that's what matters most to me.


*FootNote- When refering to "The Swiss Industry Group"
its inapproiate to denote their fine firearms as "Sig's"; as
they perfer the designation SIG, SIG-Sauer, or SIGARMS.

I didn't know this myself until recently, as I made many post
over at TFL, in the old terminology!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Wildalaska
December 26, 2002, 04:44 AM
The Glock 36 conceals better....

DennisE
December 26, 2002, 10:27 AM
For open carry the SIG 220, for CCW a SIG 245 like the one on my belt right now beneath my flannel shirt. Dennis

10-Ring
December 26, 2002, 10:50 AM
Of your choices, I prefer the SIG P220. If I could go outside your options, I'd recommend the USPc 45.

Orion
December 26, 2002, 10:58 AM
Ala Dan, Good info to have over there.

I prefer the SIG to the Glock in almost every case.

I just haven't been able to make myself comfortable with the Glock hype or design.

Neal Bloom
December 26, 2002, 11:29 AM
Personally I like the SIG 220. Few firearms have ever impressed me as this one out of the box.

Try them both and decide which one you like the best.

C.R.Sam
December 26, 2002, 11:32 AM
Sig or Glock
Both quite good.
Personal pref is for the Sig 220, open or concealed.
I am accurate much faster with it.
Accurate with the Glocks but slower.

Tis personal.

Sam

KMKeller
December 26, 2002, 11:33 AM
Sig.

Tamara
December 26, 2002, 11:35 AM
SIG P-220/245 or Glock G21/30/36 would be fine choices.

SIG generally skinnier, Glock holds more rounds and has wierd (but consistent) trigger pull.

If you have a Glock and don't yet have a SIG, my move in your shoes would be to get the SIG for the sake of a well-rounded battery... ;)

gryphon
December 26, 2002, 11:37 AM
SIG

tlhelmer
December 26, 2002, 12:46 PM
Sig 220:D

rjk2475
December 26, 2002, 12:51 PM
anyone use the 1911A1? gosh, this board's fun! ;)

eap
December 26, 2002, 12:56 PM
you'll get lopsided answers for the sig here, go over to glocktalk and ask. compare both, shoot both, have fun and decide which is for you.

i shot the sig220 and was not impressed, bad da/sa trigger with way too much travel, choked on 185gr, slide release and decocker are poorly placed and odd to manipulate for me.


i've had many other autos and always come back to glock. you can take one completely down with a punch, acc's and parts abound. they don't have the rusting problems sig's have.

agony
December 26, 2002, 01:55 PM
SIG 220. Case closed. :)

triggertime
December 26, 2002, 03:49 PM
I'd vote for the Sig 220 even though I'm known to carry a Glock.

In all honesty, Glock .45's in my experience have been tempermental in terms of feed reliability with some (not all) hollow point ammunition. Where on the otherhand, they have been 100% reliable with FMJ and Corbon P'Ball.

Still, that's not reliable enough to allow me to praise them, or more importantly, to recommend them as a carry gun.

mikemck
December 26, 2002, 05:30 PM
I prefer the P220, and would probably like the P245 if I could find one at a good price.

Of course, I did have to trade a few P220's away before I finally realized just how much I like them.
I'm just more comfortable with a DA/SA trigger, and I am more accurate with the Sig's.

Frohickey
December 26, 2002, 06:52 PM
Haven't you already bought the P245 that you have decided on yet? I remember this thread back in the old country (website) (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145506). :D

IIRC, you said that the P245 fit you better than the Glock or the P220, and since the P220 magazines will fit the P245, you can still have 8 rounds, at least for the reload.

J.Bourne
December 26, 2002, 07:22 PM
Frohickey: Yeah, I can't make up my mind. The moment of truth came and went, but I couldn't commit.

Tamara: Concealed carry is the goal, and that probably means the 220 is out, though the 245 is a candidate.

I don't like the fact that the 245 doesn't garner much respect from the SIG crowd, and that the magazine only seats 6.

Tango Sierra
December 26, 2002, 10:14 PM
J.,

You haven't said which one you shoot better. Buy that one, pick a defensive ammo, try 200 rounds, if it works without a hicup then stick with that combination. If that ammo don't work, try another until you get the right one. Use what works best for you, not someone else.

mellow
December 26, 2002, 10:28 PM
looks like you have a good assortment of different platforms. That's what I wanted to do at first, you know, to have a well rounded collection of the big namers. But I found that it threw off my practice sessions at the range. Too much of a hassle to get to know the different platforms. I have since sold pretty much everything else an dstuck with 1911s and Glocks.

My opinion . . . carry the .45 in the platform you shoot best.

J.D.Locke
December 26, 2002, 11:15 PM
G21 w/standerd mags...13+1 of .45 acp....can life get any better than that?:)

chieftain
December 30, 2002, 07:40 AM
I own several SIG's and Glocks.

amoung them the Glock's in 21 and 30
and the SIG in 220.

Your criteria was weird, reliability is number one but you do not care about double strike capability? I find that very odd.

any way.

per your criteria the selection is simple:

SIG


First you don't have to check for the serial number to see if it being recalled in the Glock non recall.

Both my Glocks have had their barrels replaced with BAR-STO barrels to preclude any KB problem. This is has only been a problem with the 40's and 45's. By the Way I have not heard of the problem with a model 22 Glock.

The primary weakness of the glock system is that their magazines suck. I tried the model 17 3 different guns. Each time over a 10 year period some how some way the magazines would screw up. By the way if you went to the tactical forums you would hear from real world operators complaining about the problem with Glock magazines, the liners carrode and screw up.

If you care enogh to use the very best SIG!

Begin the flames.

Rangerover
December 30, 2002, 11:48 AM
Responses such as I'm seeing are the reason I joined this board to begin with. Excellent questions, excellent criqiques from "real-world" shooters.

I'm not one to fall for hype, so I'm gonna do some of my own reasearch and hands-on testing first, but ladies and germs, you may have created another SIGAHOLIC! I want any handgun I spend my hard-earned shekels on to be reliable out of the box, without having to spend 2X what I paid for it to make reasonably sure it doesn't puke on me if I need it.

The experience I've had with a friend's P-226 had been nothing but satisfactory, so when my poverty-stricken hide can afford it, methinks a P-220 is in order. This many people singing its praises MUST mean something. I can eat Ramen noodles for a while and save my loot. If it will get me a gun as good as these folks say it is, it's worth it. Like I said, I'll test-drive it first if I can.

Probably take a fair amount of time and noodles, but when I procure the critter, I'll let y'all know. You've gotten me all antsy and eager...hmmm...bound to be some stray pop cans laying around...:D

Zander
December 30, 2002, 03:06 PM
If you think the P220 won't work for you, then you won't like the G21. It is a BIG pistol and is no lightweight with 14 rounds of 230g ball on board.

I shoot the G21 better than any other Glock, but there is nothing like a SIG; IMO, they are the best out-of-the-box combat pistols available today.

thisaway
December 30, 2002, 03:44 PM
For concealed carry: Glock 36
For open carry: SIG P220

I have my eyes on a G36, as I'm wanting a small .45 for a CCW.

Mr. Hankey
December 30, 2002, 03:45 PM
You mentioned you already have one Glock. How has your experience with it been?.

Has it been reliable?. Do you shoot it well?.

If you're happy with a Glock in .40, why wouldn't you expect to be just as happy with one chambered in .45?

You are already familiar with the Glock manual of arms.
As someone mentioned above, having multiple pistols that look, feel and handle the same is a good point.

cratz2
December 30, 2002, 05:09 PM
I'm not a fan or a critic of either SIGs or Glocks. I find the SIGs to be top heavy and they don't point as well for me as the 1911 - I usually pull it up to a point where I am looking at the back of the slide, not in line with the sights.

If carrying open, I would definately lean towards the 1911A1 over the SIG or Glock. If carrying concealed, the G36 might get my attention.

duncan
December 31, 2002, 01:44 AM
I owned several Sigs for years inlcuding the P226 and P220.Unless you know a Sig gunsmith who can do a fine Sig trigger action job on it, you won't shoot it to its full potential. And most Sig owners don't even think about a trigger job for their Sig. So you'll need to spend a $100 at least to get that done.

I consider them both to be excellent weapons for duty carry, competition, and range training. However, for civilian CCW where IWB is the standard for carry, the P220 is a challenge due to its exposed hammer spur. Caught my love handle way too many times.

And more than a few people including myself reported rust spots on our Sigs. Even after I breakFreed it faithfully and regularly. So I'd recommend hard chroming at least the slide or some other metal treatment. Another $120. Several broken trigger springs with my P220 and that was it. Sold them both.

For an all around jack of all trades 45 ACP, I'd recommend the Glock 21 or the Glock 30 is you like a smaller more compact version. I've also owned both and prefer the G21 for all around work including winter carry with some 230 grain Hydrashoks or 185 grain +P Rem Golden Sabres to bring on the heat.

And since you already are familiar with the Glock system, you don't have to adapt.

But skip the Glock 36, great only for CCW but with the low cap and think backstrap, it recoils harder than my Glock 32 in 357 sig. Mixed reviews on that one even at GT.

If you go with the Sig P220 or P245(chopped P220 that is super glued to my gun shop cases), you 'll have to adapt to a DA/SA trigger pull. Didn't many law enforcement agencies move from Sig to Glock? Was not just cost.

The FBI Academy Firearms Instructors used to teach grounding your first DA shot to get to single action for better accuracy. Mastering that first DA shot from a Sig is just as difficult as from a SW revolver. Another reason why agencies moved from revolvers and that DA pull.

When you shoot the P220 and G21 side by side, you find that the Sig is just a tad more accurate at 25 yards in single action, but that it recoils more.

Thus, you can get tighter groups with the Glock due to less recoil but for target shooting, slow fire, the P220 may get you better accuracy.

Right out of the box, the Glock offers a reliable, durable, so what if it scrathes, accurate gun. The Sig needs some work. Sweet but not as versatile.

Had them all and I carry the Glock 21 when I don't think the Glock 20 in 10mm is warranted.

AndABeer
December 31, 2002, 03:21 AM
I own the 220, 21, and 30. Were I to pick one for carry it would be the 30. For reliabilty and accuracy they are all pretty much equal. I personally am able to shoot the 30 more rapidly than the other two. It is ruggedness and durability were the Glock edges SIG as SIGs require a bit more attention to avoid rusting unless you go with the ST model (rails... blech). I personally do not mind a large framed all stainless gun for carry but some feel they are too heavy. I have shot the 36 before and did not care for it.

duckfoot
December 31, 2002, 04:53 AM
Own a Sig 220 and a HK uspc .45

use both for work

both more accurate than I am

Can't go wrong with a Sig thou if it is a either, or kind of problem.

Schuey2002
December 31, 2002, 05:08 AM
Both the Sig P220 and Glock 21 are large handguns.
Both are superb..
Both would "fit the bill".
Both are accurate and reliable.
Buy the one that fits you best.
If price is an issue,get the Glock 21 (It's the one that I own.)
If price *isn't* an issue, get the Sig P220.

... my 2 cents worth. :)

Bob A
December 31, 2002, 05:45 AM
I carried a Glock for 4 years and the one thing I noticed is that even though I abused it and hardly ever cleaned it, it didn't rust. I had casings rust a little from sweat, but never the gun itself. I don't know how you plan to use yours, but I'd at least consider the chore of maintaining it. I love the Sigs but Glocks are awesome and not expensive.

TNT.45
December 22, 2006, 09:21 PM
Thats a simple question Sig Sauer all the way. Shoot both and pick the best...(I think it will be the Sig)

HorseSoldier
December 22, 2006, 09:56 PM
Have owned a Glock 21 and a Sig P220. Still have the P220, sold the G21. Quite happy with that state of affairs, personally. The Glock 36 is pretty good, but I find the double stack .45 cal Glocks to be dreadful in terms of grip and such (and I have big hands).

If the ergonomics work for you, however, I will say my G21 was utterly reliable (one misfire due to a bad round -- the pistol always did it's part). It's a solid performer if you don't mind a grossly oversized grip (Gaston never heard of metal magazines, I suppose) and the Glock grip angle.

Tango Sierra
December 22, 2006, 10:02 PM
This is the longest between posts in a single thread I've ever seen. Four years. Talk about rising from the dead.

Ohen Cepel
December 22, 2006, 10:06 PM
I like the Glock 21. However, I love the SIG 220!

For me, it would be the SIG!

Oops, just saw that this was ancient. TNT, what are you doing? (kidding of course)

Aloysius
December 22, 2006, 11:11 PM
Han Solo would carry a Sig 220. Forget the Glock...what am I saying? Get both.

The Real Hawkeye
December 23, 2006, 12:14 AM
This is the longest between posts in a single thread I've ever seen. Four years. Talk about rising from the dead.That's true. It's ancient history now. Wonder which one he chose way back when.

This thead also, due to its age, doesn't mention the fact that the P220 is now available in single action only. They also claim they solved the rust problem, and the trigger is claimed to be very crisp now. Don't have one, so don't know if its all true.

GRIZ22
December 23, 2006, 09:26 AM
Navy Seals also like Glocks. Rustproof and with the kit installed will function underwater to take out BGs. A lot neater than using a knife. If you're looking for a the "SEAL" of approval I guess you're stuck.

Sigs are nice but I've always been turned off by their price. I have G21 and G30. I looked at the 36 and when I compared it next to the 30 it was smaller but not that small to make a diffrence and went with the 30. I had the 21 before I got the 30 but would have just bought the 30 if it had been on the markrt then.

DAVE RICHARDS
December 23, 2006, 11:13 PM
I own a G30, P245, and a P220. None of them have ever failed to fire. I use good ammunition, and keep my guns cleaned and lubed. All three are accurate and totally reliable. It's often quoted but true. Pick the one that fits your hand and needs the best. They are all qualtiy guns and I have and do carry any of the three with absolute confidence. In my experience they all three can be trusted to potect life and limb. really can't go wrong with any of the choices.

tango3065
December 23, 2006, 11:15 PM
GLOCK gets my vote.

BsChoy
December 24, 2006, 10:15 AM
Defoote says it best...if for carry the G36 rocks but the G30 is almost as good with 4 more rounds...just got back into the 45 acp realm with a 1911 and am now looking at my G19 as if it is too small to stop a school girl..but the darn thing points so nice!!!!!

MICHAEL T
December 24, 2006, 10:35 AM
SIG 220. Case closed.

Case apealed and reopened GLOCK!!!!:neener:

Greybeard
December 24, 2006, 09:54 PM
"Four years. Talk about rising from the dead."

Yep. Was thinking the same thing. And wondering how long it would take for someone to suggest an XD. ;)

Autolycus
December 24, 2006, 10:17 PM
I would have to say Sig. I prefer the Sig over the Glock. However the Glock 30 does look nice.

Have you considered an HK USPc .45?

Or waiting for the HK45?

New19
December 25, 2006, 12:33 AM
I really like my new G-30 I started carrying it last week and it carries real nice in a C-TAC:)

Slvr Surfr
December 25, 2006, 02:00 AM
I have had two sigs, one of which was a Sig220. Ive shot it side by side with the G21. I no longer own any sigs. The P220 did not hold more than 8 rds, had misfeeds, and was very expensive to accessorize (mags, sights).

With the 21 felt recoil is reduced to a push, is DAMN reliable, and cheap to accessorize. Parts can be found anywhere short of wal-mart. Out of 8 glocks, I have never ever had any of them KBoom. The sigs are prettier but the glocks are all buisiness.

Glock for me.

jlh26oo
December 25, 2006, 03:00 AM
I'm sure Sig is the superior engineered product overall, but I'd go with the 22oz 7 shot .45acp. Velocity from a polygonal rifled 3.78" barrel > those from 3.9" conventional. Smallest pistol I can get a substantial grip on (trigger finger not curled in half b/c reach is so short, all three fingers on grip, enough real estate left over for off hand palm support). Low maintenance. Consistent trigger. Accurate, reliable, durable, value priced.

The GLOCK G36.

TNT.45
December 27, 2007, 02:09 AM
Still no XD's...lol

SwampWolf
December 27, 2007, 05:55 PM
I carry the SIG 220 "Carry". Much prefer its trigger and general ergos to a Glock.

biscuitninja
December 27, 2007, 06:04 PM
H&K USPc in .45 or you might think about a Sig .357 in the P2000. Anyways good luck
-bix

DENALI
December 27, 2007, 06:16 PM
The P-220 is actually the only Sig that lives up to it's hype and is an excellent open carry duty type rig. If it needs to be concealed it's gotta be a G-36. I wouldn't even consider the G-21..................

Ringer
December 27, 2007, 08:30 PM
Original question was asked 5 years ago. Let's hope he/she has figured it out by now.

gwillis6
May 4, 2008, 03:28 PM
eap wroteyou'll get lopsided answers for the sig here, go over to glocktalk and ask.

And do you think he will get a more objective answer over there?

frogger42
May 4, 2008, 03:32 PM
Basically, without the need for a double-strike capacity (i.e. external hammer verse striker fired), would you consider the Glock in .45 as reliable, durable and worthy as a SIG-Sauer?

I consider the Glock of equal quality to the Sig. However, the Glock (except the G36) in .45 are generally a fatter grip so take into account whether or not you can comfortably handle it. The Sig will fit a larger percentage of hands.

Arrogant Bastard
May 4, 2008, 03:46 PM
I just shot a Glock 30SF (slim frame) today -- liked it so much, I bought it.

GDW
May 4, 2008, 03:49 PM
After shooting 1911's for years I tried a G30 at the range. I liked it, so much that I purchased a G36 for CCW. I still have yet to put a lot of rounds down range with it and until I do I almost always carry a S&W 442. After I am completely confident in it I will carry it much more. The reason being: it shoots well and I don't care if it gets beat up. I was always a bit paranoid about my nice, 1911's getting dinged up. No so with the Glock. Plus it is so easy to dismantle. I have a Kimber Compact that's great, but it's a pain to have to hunt down a paper clip in order to break it down (small thing really, but still an aggravation). I have zero experience with a Sig, but would probably feel a bit paranoid about getting one of those dinged up too. But it is a stupid reason not to own what you prefer, and especially use, best.

RustyShackelford
May 4, 2008, 03:51 PM
If you want the .45acp for duty/CC use; I strongly suggest the well made SIGsauer DAK model P-220 compact or maybe the P-220R(with rail) DAK model.
These hammer fired designs are safe compact and fire the .45acp.
The Glock 30 .45acp is good but depending on your skill level and use of handguns, I'd go with the SIGsauer P220 DAK.

Rusty

PS: Good carry loads; Speer Gold Dot 200gr JHP, 230gr JHP +P, Remington Golden Saber 230gr JHP +P, bonded.

Pimpstar00
May 5, 2008, 02:16 AM
gwillis 6, nice reply to a six year old post!

gwillis6
May 25, 2008, 02:33 AM
:banghead:

GRIZ22
May 25, 2008, 12:58 PM
To my experienece either one would fulfill your requirements along witha lot of other pistols. Go with what you find more desirable. There are no absolutes when choosing between quality firearms. They all can do the job reliably and you need to decide what small features are most important to you.

Ethics
May 25, 2008, 12:59 PM
SIGs require too much maintenance. Go with the Glock 21.

The Lone Haranguer
May 25, 2008, 01:51 PM
I could have sworn that big rock was in front of the cave. :confused:

wig
May 25, 2008, 10:58 PM
H&K! Then you can avoid the argument and get something different!

.357 magnum
May 26, 2008, 11:55 AM
SIG all the way!

Have a Great Holiday!

Frank

PS-Take a look at the SW-MP it is another Excellent Pistol!

PhillyGlocker
May 26, 2008, 05:58 PM
Don't worry yourself. Get The Glock.

The End.

jbharned
June 1, 2008, 12:47 AM
Glock.

I owned a Sig 226 and a 220 (9mm & 45). Both are very well built and accurate guns. The 226 was very accurate with the 220 slightly less. The one thing I did not like is the frame rail is very thin where the grip screw attaches. Also the 220 (45) would hang up if a firm grip or weak wrist hold was used. It never happened to me but 2 other people I let fire it had it happen every mag they fired.The glocks I own are a pair of 21's and a 17. I have never seen or had anyone or myself have a hang up of jam with any of my glocks or friends glocks. It's the AK of the handgun world. I had some light target loads given to me and my sig 220 would only single fire. This same ammo fired and functioned out of both of my glock 21's. One advantage the sig has is a true double action trigger. If you had a misfire you could pull the trigger again and hopefully make it fire. The glock has a spring tensioned striker. If you get a misfire you will have to rack the side by hand to re cock and clear it. It really comes down to personal choice,what feels best and what you can shoot the best. I will stick to my 1911's and glocks for carry.

Rexster
June 1, 2008, 02:45 PM
I successfully concealed a full-sized P220 for the couple of years in was my duty pistol. Keep in mind that the rear of the slide of ALL Glocks protrudes to the rear, with that big, blocky profile. I would rather hide a P220 than even a "baby" Glock, and yes, for a while, when a G22 was my duty pistol, I concealed both the G22 and a G27 at times. The P220 is narrower and less blocky than the Glocks.

I presently conceal SIG P229s. There was a bit of overlap, as I phased from the G22 to the P229; the P229, which is a bit wider than a P220, conceals better than any Glock, for me.

Lobotomy Boy
June 1, 2008, 08:42 PM
Unless you can carry openly, it's easier to conceal a compact gun than a full-sized gun. The easier it is to carry a gun, the more likely you are to carry it, and the more effective your gun will be. Given that, it's hard to find a .45 ACP autoloader that is a better combination of reliability and concealability than the Glock 30/36. I have a 36 and my wife has a 30. Each of us thinks we have the perfect carry gun. Since she's always right, I guess that means the 30 is the perfect carry gun.

Tommy Gunz
November 23, 2012, 03:17 PM
Well it depends on your preferred method of carry but consider this ---

You want a 45 which has unwavering reliability and ease of use. It features a small form factor and small grip which will easily ride in an inside the waistband holster such as a clip-on SoftArmor holster. Or you can convert this small sized grip into full sized grip for open carry purposes by using the Pearce +1 magazine extender.

Dont buy your next .45 until you have thoroughly considered the Glock 36.

Tango Sierra
November 23, 2012, 09:28 PM
Looks like someone has stumbled into this ancient cave again.

Inebriated
November 23, 2012, 09:41 PM
Looks like someone has stumbled into this ancient cave again.

After looking at the dates, I'm going to be posting here again next year to keep the necro-bump going.

Dec 26, 2002 - Oringinal post.
Dec 31, 2002 - Thread dies.
Dec 22, 2006 - TNT.45 necro-bumps.
Dec 25, 2006 - Thread dies, once again.
Dec 27, 2007 - TNT.45 necro-bumps. AGAIN! Thread dies, same day.
May 4, 2008 - gwillis6 necro-bumps thread.
June 1, 2008 - Thread dies.
November 23, 2012 - Tommy Gunz necro-bumps thread.

It's getting to be a chronic issue with this one.

wlewisiii
November 23, 2012, 09:44 PM
"I'm obsessed with reliability and durability issues, as this will be my primary carry weapon from now on."

Then get a Ruger.

http://ruger.com/products/p345/models.html

Edit: Whoops! Didn't look at dates either.

tomrkba
November 23, 2012, 09:55 PM
The thread is still relevant despite the thread's age. If age is important, then the Mods need to lock all threads older than a year or two. People are still wrangling with the high capacity 45 versus the single stack 45. The Springfield XDS, Glock 36, 1911s with Officers length frames, and SIG P220 Compact seem to be the best options. Also consider the HK USP 45 Compact and the S&W M&P 45 Compact.

I have both and carry both.

Double strike capability is not an issue for me. I do not factor it into my decision.

The SIG P220 is a bit more narrow. It is shorter with a flush magazine (7+1 capacity), but taller than a Glock 21 with an eight round magazine inserted. The single stack magazines conceal better than G21 magazines (which tend to print).

The G21 is a very large gun through the grip (width). The slide is also wide with a square shape. It carries well with the right holster. The true advantage of the G21 is the 13+1 capacity and availability of Ghost 3.5# connectors. The trigger requires less work than a stock P220 trigger. The Gen4 frame allows just about any shooter to hold it comfortably.

Of the two, I prefer the SIG P220. I prefer the feel of the gun over the wide "runway" appearance of the G21 slide. However, I believe the Glock 21 Gen4 is a better gun overall.

Forward cant to the holster is essential if you are going to carry either gun concealed. You will have to dress around the gun. Glock 21 magazine carriers require thin materials. Buy single carriers for all guns because they conceal better. The dual holder does not match the curve of the hip properly.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i236/crebralfix/articles/Glock21review/G21P220width2.jpg
SIG P220 has a slide that is slightly more narrow (minus the slide release). Grip width is about the same.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i236/crebralfix/articles/Glock21review/G21magsBases.jpg
A huge difference in magazine thickness. Consider the thickness of the carriers before purchase.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i236/crebralfix/articles/Glock21review/G21magComparison.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i236/crebralfix/articles/Glock21review/G21height.jpg
P220 is slightly taller with the eight round magazine inserted.

TimboKhan
November 23, 2012, 10:41 PM
Kind of relevant, but then it's also fair to say that the OP has had his question answered several times over. Still, if it stays relevant, I see no reason to close it. I am gonna consult other mods though.

Tango Sierra
November 24, 2012, 06:21 AM
Keep it open since it's kinda become a historic thread being that is was started two days after THR opened it's doors and it's still alive ten years later.

Shuler13
November 24, 2012, 06:56 AM
With all the new carry options it's nice to be reminded the search for the perfect carry (personal preference I know) is still there. And there are some new players. Someone mentioned something about a "shield" this year...dunno if you all have heard anything. Supposed to be the next bug thing.

Also, would this fall into "zombie" category having risen from the dead? It could get a cult following.

TimboKhan
November 24, 2012, 06:58 PM
Upon advice, gonna leave it open. Keep it relevant is all I ask.

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