Which handgun/ammo combination is best for a one-shot stop?


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Mark IV Series 80
January 17, 2003, 01:54 AM
You need to make an emergency-rescue shot.

You have a clear shot from 15 yards away.

Which handgun and load do you choose?

It must be a handgun caliber (not a hand rifle), and not a shotgun round.

Frangibles or other exotic handgun rounds are OK.

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makdaddy03
January 17, 2003, 02:34 AM
I like the CZ75B in 40S&W. Ammo has to be Remington Golden Sabre.

sm
January 17, 2003, 02:43 AM
1911 style, 230 gr JHP.

Mike Irwin
January 17, 2003, 02:49 AM
.357 Magnum, Remington Golden Saber 125-gr. JHP

Wildalaska
January 17, 2003, 02:54 AM
Ditto to the 357 mag in a S&W 6 inch 66 or Model 19...

Scott13
January 17, 2003, 04:04 AM
357 Magnum 125 grain Federal HP +P

Hkmp5sd
January 17, 2003, 04:40 AM
(True Story)

A NYC plainclothes LEO was riding the subway home when a young BG tried to mug him with a knife. The cop drew his gun and ordered the BG to drop the knife. The BG did not obey and continued to advance.

The cop ordered the BG again with not response. The cop then pulled the trigger on his handgun and the BG dropped to the ground and didn't move.

The LEO later commented that this one-shot stop was also the loudest shot he ever heard. When he pulled the trigger, there was a clear audible click but no bang.

The LEO then admitted that when he cleaned his S&W, he just sprayed it down, bullets and all, with Blaster and then wiped it dry. Since Blaster is penetrating solvent, it had gotten into his primers and rendered them inert.

When checking the BG, they found no wounds. He had passed out cold.

One Shot - One Stop. :)

denfoote
January 17, 2003, 07:54 AM
The one shot stop is a myth, unless you are using a 105mm Howitzer round, and even then I would have my doubts!!! :rolleyes:

AndABeer
January 17, 2003, 09:19 AM
Anyone worth shooting once is worth shooting twice, or more.

PCRCCW
January 17, 2003, 09:20 AM
The best one stop shot? The one that is placed correctly....that is going fast enough, expands well enough :evil: to work.!!!!!
OSS'a are great for data, bullsh*tting with your gun buddies and so on....should you rely on them for anything else? NOPE :D
Just to be fair ...answering your inquiry?
40 S&W Corbon 135gr +P's.....1400 FPS...should do just fine.
Shoot well

J Miller
January 17, 2003, 10:39 AM
:rolleyes:

A Phaser on setting 10...........................

Graystar
January 17, 2003, 11:05 AM
The only way to stop someone with one shot is to hit the brain or to severely damage the nervous system.

There's no secret to stopping BGs. It's all about blood loss. Large, deep wounds cause the most blood loss. Hot .45s are best because they make the biggest hole and penetrate deeply. That causes the most blood loss. Every other choice is simply downhill from there. Except, of course, .50.

Smoke
January 17, 2003, 11:18 AM
One shot stop is not a myth. Its just not repeatable or reliable.

1911 variant loaded with whatever you have.

One shot; repeat as necessary.

Pappy John
January 17, 2003, 11:25 AM
http://www.birdman.org/images/m82pistbig.jpg

Edward429451
January 17, 2003, 11:34 AM
At 15 yards I could do OK with my 45, but if I used my redhawk I could pick which eye of the BG I wanted to perforate.

Handy
January 17, 2003, 11:49 AM
.308 soft points in single shot hunting pistol.

genie
January 17, 2003, 12:40 PM
well, if i must only take one shot and must make the bg stop, then assuming my nerves will allow me to hit the bg and there's nobody behind the bg (lots of assumptions here) -- i want my .454 casull super redhawk! :D ammo - doesn't particularly matter...

ACP
January 17, 2003, 02:56 PM
Back to the question.

230-gr. JHP .45 ACP from a 5" barrel, or a 125-gr. full power JHP .357 Magnum from a 4" or longer barrel. We all know it.

Everyone can kill or stop with a head shot or a spine or pelvic shot. You don't always get that chance. So, throw the biggest or the fastest round you can and hope it catches something vital before the perp shoots, stabs, or clubs you.

Now, back to stories about killing mountain lions with .22s and how anyone worth shooting is worth shooting 5,000 times...:rolleyes:

foghornl
January 17, 2003, 04:11 PM
A 230-Gr Rem Golden Sabre from either of my .45's. Next choice (for me) would be the Speer 158 Gr Gold Dot from my 357 Vaquero.

One tiny caveat, if using the Vaquero, would take extra caution as to what's behind the BG.

LeadPumper
January 17, 2003, 04:19 PM
Let's see;

emergency-rescue shot- S&W 6" 586

clear shot from 15 yards away- 1" Ultradot

must be a handgun caliber - 158 gr JHP .357 Mag


Minute of eyeball, about the best you can do.

-LeadPumper

Blackhawk
January 17, 2003, 04:50 PM
The gun would be whatever I felt the most comfortable with at that range and under pressure. Probably the Colt M1991A1.

Havn't done the testing personally, but the ammo would be RBCD Tactical ( http://www.rbcd.net/ ). In .45 ACP, it will zing out at 2340 FPS and 1000 FPE.

On this shot, the target would be COM.

KY Moose
January 17, 2003, 04:59 PM
Pappy John,

I'd buy one, only if it came with Home Boy Nyte Sytes :D



http://www.birdman.org/images/m82pistbig.jpg

Pistolsmith
January 17, 2003, 05:15 PM
I'm totally surprised that so many of you don't know the answer to this question. There IS a one shot stop to a human adversary that WORKS EVERY TIME.
It can be any caliber, any bullet configuration that provides deep penetration. Shot placement must be precise. You get a hit dead center on the bridge of the nose and the bullet penetrates and destroys the brain stem. ALL MOTOR FUNCTION CEASES. There is no other hit on the human body that will result in an instant stop consistently.
As we all realize, this is also the most difficult shot to make on a human adversary.
The second most rapid debilitation would be cutting the aorta. This might result in a five second delay. Then the veina cava, which would also entail a short delay.
Even expanding bullets in less serious areas might prolong the fight or result in death hours or days later. The shooter at the FBI Miami shootout sustained a non-survivable wound in the first exchange of gunfire, yet he went on to kill and wound all of the agents until he was snuffed by .357 bullets to the head.

JerryN
January 17, 2003, 05:49 PM
For one shot kills I always use my .480 Ruger loaded with ++P++ 400gr magnesium incendiary hollow points with exploding ballistic tips. :rolleyes:

Pistolsmith
January 17, 2003, 06:09 PM
If you learn to place your shots, your Walther TPH will do the job. A firearms expert should be able to do anything required with whatever gun he is carrying or first comes to hand. You will get demerits if you have to run home and load up some infernal cartridge loadings. And, as you learn morea and more about terminal ballistics the myths and "Ayoobisms" will fade into urban legend.

ACP
January 17, 2003, 06:48 PM
SA Mireles ended the Miami gunfight with a S&W 686 loaded with .38 Special 158-gr. LSWCHP+P. The perps were in a defensive crouch in the front seat of the automobile, one having already suffered a pretty heinous sinus cavity shot that should have put him out permanently before he stumbled zombie-like through a hail of gunfire into the car. At point blank range, I believe Mireles - whose left forearm was useless due to a .223 round from a Mini-14 -- hit with 4 or 5 of 5 or 6 shots, all to the face/neck/upper chest region. Chalk one up for courage under fire and no chance of limp wristing.

Bainx
January 17, 2003, 07:57 PM
Gold Dot 230 grain hollowpoint thru a Glock model 30.

CWL
January 17, 2003, 10:20 PM
My Wilson KZ45 using any decent 230gr JHP, even 230gr. FMJ will work with a head shot.

This is just my preference, there is no secret or magic formula.

Placement, placement, placement.

Jeff OTMG
January 18, 2003, 04:41 PM
Your choice of S&W mod 29 or Ruger Redhawk, both in .44 mag shooting the RBCD load. 44 Mag. 110 gr. TFSP 2430 fps / 1445 flbs. Another choice might be a .454 Casull, maybe a Taurus, the RBCD generates nearly 2400 flbs. of energy.

Mark IV Series 80
January 18, 2003, 11:41 PM
I'll take my tuned Model 66, with triple T's, and a 6 inch barrel.
I can hold 1.25 inches at 25 yards with this gun.

I would load hot 125 grain, JHP .357 Magnums.

Gordon
January 18, 2003, 11:48 PM
I guess they were thinking about this question 150 years ago when they asked for Manton to make up the brace of English 16ga rifled double barrel 'Travelars Pistols' I have in safe deposit box for my posterity.:D

Blackhawk
January 19, 2003, 02:06 AM
Au contraire, Pistolsmith. Head shots are my song, but this scenario is ONE shot, meaning that you don't get a followup if you miss that crucial small kill spot.

I know many shooters who can hit a quarter at 15 yards, so can I, but I don't know any who can reliably do that under the pressure of this shot, and I wouldn't believe them if they said they could.

That's why I would rely on a round like the RBCD that would effectively turn almost any COM hit into a one shot stop. It's about as close to a C4 stuffed and fuzed hollow point there is, and when there aren't any more vital organs in the torso, the stop is pretty much a sure thing.

DaveD
January 19, 2003, 05:00 PM
Glock 23 Corbon 135 gr

JeepDriver
January 19, 2003, 05:59 PM
S&W 686 4" barrel loaded with 125 gr Speer Gold Dots flying at 1450 FPS and a shot to the head.

And two follow up shots to the chest to be sure. :D

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