What's the most powerful now?


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ArmyCop
December 26, 2002, 04:46 AM
Is the .44 Mag still the most powerful handgun as Dirty Harry claimed a while back or has another taken it's place?

Most powerful revolver = ?

Most powerful Semi = ?

Thanks :rolleyes:

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Nosferatu
December 26, 2002, 05:01 AM
Wheelgun: Freedom Arms 45-70

Auto: Glock 20. 15 rounds of 10mm is hard to argue with.

Wildalaska
December 26, 2002, 05:04 AM
Revolver..

BFR in 4570...

Auto....460 Rowland? 50AEs are out of production...?

Tamara
December 26, 2002, 09:52 AM
If you're going to include the BFR (which shoots a rifle cartridge), then you may as well include Savage Strikers and T/C Contenders and whatnot; in that case, the most powerful handgun cartridge is .300 Win Mag or something like that. :rolleyes: ;)

As far as actual factory-loaded handgun cartridges go, I think the .500 Linebaugh is the current king of the hill for wheelguns and .50AE rules the auto roost.

Preacherman
December 26, 2002, 11:02 AM
Don't forget the new .50 Smith & Wesson, that's allegedly due for formal announcement/launch at the SHOT Show in February 2003. This will allegedly involve a new frame (the "X" frame) and be a real monster, certainly up there in the .475/.500 Linebaugh power class. Personally, I can't see why I'd want one - a .44 Magnum Redhawk with Garrett Hammerheads gives me all the power I think I'll ever need in a handgun, and is right out there at the ragged edge of what I can control! :D

Neal Bloom
December 26, 2002, 01:14 PM
A 45-70 revolver? Ouch! I guess the older I get the wimpier I get. My Super BlackHawk is about as stout as I want to go. Has anyone shot this 45-70 revolver?

KMKeller
December 26, 2002, 01:23 PM
Never shot one, but I've got my eyes open for the opportunity!:D

2nd Amendment
December 26, 2002, 01:35 PM
First I heard of the 50AE being out of production. is this so?

HS/LD
December 26, 2002, 01:58 PM
There is actually a revolver that fires the:

600 NITRO

made in sweden or finland or something.

I have lost the link.

Regards,
HS/LD

Ok found it:

Een revolver in het kaliber 600 Nitro Express van Zeliska

http://www.whd.nl/IWA_nieuws.html
http://www.whd.nl/IWA_nieuws.html

boikman
December 26, 2002, 02:33 PM
I've had the opportunity and it is a handful...It was one of those Isreali shoot em thingys...wow...5 rounds and then I rested....for the month !

Schuey2002
December 26, 2002, 03:37 PM
I was juiced up to say".500 Linebaugh", but I see that once again Tamara has beaten me to the draw..

600 Nitro !! Now,that should make chiropractors around the world jump with joy..:D

rock jock
December 26, 2002, 03:49 PM
Een revolver in het kaliber 600 Nitro Express van Zeliska
Yuo gotta wonder what kind of person willfully would fire the 600 Nitro from a revolver.

Oh, and did you guys notice that Sig P210??! My goodness, that has got to be gaudiest pistol I have ever seen.

Diesle
December 26, 2002, 05:21 PM
Does the Super Redhawk in .480 or .454 even get a consolation nod....?

Regardless, their powerfull as hell. Technically speaking.

Diesle

Walther P99
December 26, 2002, 09:21 PM
There is actually a revolver that fires the:

600 NITRO



:eek:

Ouch, I'm in pain just looking at that thing. I wonder how much it weighs...

444
December 27, 2002, 12:15 AM
"If you're going to include the BFR (which shoots a rifle cartridge), then you may as well include Savage Strikers and T/C Contenders and whatnot;"

No, he specified revolver or auto. So we can't even bring up the .45/70 derringer by American Derringer. Besides, I am sure JD Jones has plenty of stuff that will out do a .300 Win Mag. I guess I should go to the link before asking this question, but what does a .600 Nitro revolver weigh ? The cylinder must be six inches in diameter ? By the way, I am all for the idea that if a handgun is chambered for a given cartridge, it is in fact a handgun cartridge.

rock jock
December 27, 2002, 12:26 AM
How's this for the ultimate in maximum power/minimum package size: a 6" piece of pipe, a hammer, a nail, and a .50 BMG round.

cratz2
December 27, 2002, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Walther P99
:eek:

Ouch, I'm in pain just looking at that thing. I wonder how much it weighs...

If it weighs less than 25 lbs I don't wanna shoot it. ;)

Tamara
December 27, 2002, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by rock jock
How's this for the ultimate in maximum power/minimum package size: a 6" piece of pipe, a hammer, a nail, and a .50 BMG round.

Whatever spins your prop.

You won't be offended if I step waaaaay over here behind this big tree to watch, will you? :D

another48hrs
December 27, 2002, 12:37 AM
I remember a revolver that shot 50 bmg, it was on tfl at first it looked like it was photoshoped but I guess its real(painful to fire).

C.R.Sam
December 27, 2002, 12:45 AM
Friend of mine had a 50 BMG single shot.
Looked like a TC on steroids.
Recoil not much but the muzzle brake would cook all but the shooter.
Accurate, absolutely beautiful metal and wood.

Sam

PCRCCW
December 27, 2002, 01:01 AM
Its a rough call if you wanna bring up factory loaded ammo...you can get hot 4570 loads that will do lots to your elbows in the way of pain....or hot 425 grain reloads also. The BFR is a fun gun and an amazingly nice shooter. IMO, stock 4570 loads are no worse to shoot than a hot Casull round from a Cowboy style gun...no Raging Bulls inc. in this analogy..... :rolleyes:

The auto goes to the DE 50...up to 2000 FPE and keeps on ticking....love it. (Except when your nicely asked to not shoot it anymore at your freindly local indoor range...the muzzle blast sends every target in the place flailing, the noise rivals a very close .50 muzzle loader and the shock wave feels like your "IN" a bass drum...miked, amplified and speakers pointing back at you!)

Shoot well

Chugach
December 27, 2002, 01:45 AM
HS/LD, that's a fascinating site...looks to be Dutch.

My wrists ache just thinking about shooting that thing, and my ears are starting to ring out of empathy.

rock jock
December 27, 2002, 02:06 AM
Friend of mine had a 50 BMG single shot.
I always thought those were just urban legend.

Jim March
December 27, 2002, 03:35 AM
Linebaugh's 475 is possibly hotter than the 500, because the cylinder walls are thicker and you can run more pressure.

There is also a special pair of Linebaugh wildcat calibers in 475 and 500 - the "long" series based on Ruger 357Maximum frames. These are just flat-out psycho. And you have a butcher a fairly rare, out-of-production Ruger to get one :rolleyes:.

The 480 Ruger is "just" a downgraded 475Linebaugh.

Scott78
December 27, 2002, 05:35 AM
Iam not sure if it's the most powerful but i hear the 480 Ruger
is up their :)

Tamara
December 27, 2002, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by rock jock
I always thought those were just urban legend.

AFAIK, that .50 BMG single-shot pistol you see at Birdman's site is quite real. :eek:

rock jock
December 27, 2002, 12:47 PM
Yikes!

Tamara
December 27, 2002, 01:22 PM
I believe that was the exact same thing I said when I learned that. ;)

Kills on one end, maims on the other... :eek:

HS/LD
December 27, 2002, 02:00 PM
As a follow up to the previous reply regarding the 600 nitro express revolver check out the homepage at:

http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at

Then a 3 page .pdf brochure showing the pistol being fired:

http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/Zeliska2.pdf

Looks like a giant's revolver.

I want one! :D

I could just see me wandering into the local handgun range and pulling that from under my coat!!:D

Regards,
HS/LD

Andrew Wyatt
December 27, 2002, 02:02 PM
I've fired one of the BFR 45-70 revos before, and it was more controllable than some autos.


It affords a singularly unique capability in a somewhat compact package.

KRAUTGUNNER
December 27, 2002, 05:02 PM
IMHO:

The most powerful automatic: Wildey-Pistol in .475 Wildey
The most powerful revolver: Zeliska .600NE
The most powerful single-shot pistol: SSK Contender in .475 JDJ

Walther P99
December 27, 2002, 07:07 PM
a follow up to the previous reply regarding the 600 nitro express revolver

I can actually see the guy shooting it grimacing in pain... Very impressive revolver. It looks like it weighs 6.5kg , which @ 2.2lbs/kg would mean 14.3 lbs. Priced @ 20,000 Francs (I'm guessing what 'Fr.' is), don't what the exchange rate is (was) - all in Euros now.

If I was Bill Gates with Arnold Schwarzeneggar's body, I'd get one just for kicks (get it... 'kicks' :D ).

Fiveshooter
December 28, 2002, 10:32 AM
The pictures below were reported to be a .50 BMG revolver. I believe it is a hoax but the concept is interesting anyway.
A real working example of a gun like this would make an interesting conversation peice and an eye popper at the range but could you imagine trying to holster and carry such a thing?
:rolleyes:

http://photos.imageevent.com/fiveshooter/misc//50%20cal%20handgun.jpg

Politically Incorrect
December 28, 2002, 12:22 PM
Do they have cowboy loads for those things?

armabill
December 29, 2002, 12:32 AM
I don't care. I'm not shooting it! The Thompson Contender 30/30 is about the largest I'll go.

I did try the .454 Casull that Taurus has out but I think it's a handfull. I had to regrip on the third shot. My son got bit by the hammer. It's all in how much one can take or is willing to take.

Peter M. Eick
December 29, 2002, 11:38 AM
I think in the auto format you could argue that the 44 automag is up there, but the 45 winchester magnum in the Wildey has it beat and probably the 50 AE out of the desert eagle is the most powerful. Unfortunately the 10mm is pretty weak comparded to them.

Marcus
December 29, 2002, 11:42 AM
I know it`s not *the most powerful* but I just came accross Reeder`s new "BMF" single action in *.500 Maximum*. With a 4" or so barrel it`s an awful lot of BANG (or should I say BOOOOMMMM!!!) in a small package. He actually states in the description that it`s good to have your name engraved on the barrel so the guys in the ER will know who you are when they bring you in to remove the front sight from your forehead!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You gotta love a guy who builds super nice guns AND has a sense of humor! Marcus

NEon
December 30, 2002, 04:14 PM
45-70 Alaska Survival gun. Double barrel derringer. I wish I had never shot one!

Jbar4Ranch
January 19, 2003, 11:15 PM
Currently, the .475 Linebaugh is king of the hill of conventional handgun cartridges. The .500 is bigger, but less efficient. The .45-70 in the BFR is way down the list, too big of a case to be efficient with such a short barrel. The .475 and .500 Linebaugh Long-Maximum cartridges top the standard .475, but they're more "novelty prototypes" than conventional cartridges. Not too many folks around willing to sacrifice a perfectly good .357 Maximum Blackhawk frame to have one built although they probably could be built on the MR BFR frame now too. Projected specs I've seen on the CorBon 500 S&W Magnum loading would seem to indicate the .475 will soon be de-throned though. MORE HERE (http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33616)

Kahr carrier
January 20, 2003, 04:16 AM
Thompson Center -45-70:what:

Jbar4Ranch
January 20, 2003, 11:51 AM
Hand-rifles don't count. :neener: Though it meets the criteria of a handgun, the Contender is chambered, or can be chambered, for virtually any conventional rifle cartridge.

This thread should be titled, "What's the most powerful revolver now?" But even that would have to be qualified to mean conventional REVOLVER cartridges, not a one-off, never-meant-to-be-fired behemoth like the 600 Nitro. Or the CENTURY ARMS (http://www.centurymfg2002.com/) revolvers chambered for cartridges as large as .50-110. Or the MR BFR in rifle calibers. Or the old Greener Howdah pistols up to 75 cal./12g or .577 Snider four breech versions. Or... well, ya'll get the idea.

Skunkabilly
January 20, 2003, 01:06 PM
holy crap! Look at that thing....what the heck is that for?

Sean Smith
January 20, 2003, 01:50 PM
Given the following limitations:

a. Has factory ammo available.
b. Is an autoloader/revolver cartridge by design.

Then I'd say the answer is...

Autoloader: .440 Cor-Bon magnum
Revolver: .454 Casull

The Linebaugh cartridges don't give you more energy than .454 Casull in factory ammo, but if you are considering "power" in terms of something like a TKO value, then they would score higher than the .454... and you CAN get factory .475 and .500 Linebaugh ammo from Buffalo Bore.

Strings
January 20, 2003, 04:01 PM
... for my Automag (yep... I'm gonna use it when I get a few more mags).

I'd have to shoot open, where major is 160+. The 'Mag figures in @ 300 :what: Think it'd make the grade?

I know the .50 is biger and badder, but I'll stick with my oversize hunk o' stainless...

buford1
January 20, 2003, 04:48 PM
For a production revolver. I would have to say the 454 casull. The 500,475 linbaugh are custom built guns.Rifle cartridges dont count.

hksw
January 20, 2003, 08:08 PM
Hornady makes .475 L also.

1badmagnum
January 20, 2003, 10:11 PM
50 ae has as much retained energy at 100 yds than a 44 magnum has at the muzzle.I shoot 300 rounds per week out of my de in 50 ae and 440 corbon.I would like to see these big wheel guns do that.my de's are so smooth I can double fistum,if I was allowed lol.:neener:

Kamikaze
July 28, 2005, 04:58 PM
Hi,

I'm new to this forum.
If you want to see the .600 Nitro Express pistol in action go to the link below. I originally posted the video clips on NitroExpress.com:

Note, the 1st clip is me. The 2nd clip is John (an interested party).

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=bigbores&Number=34889&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1

Let me know what you think,
Bob (Kamikaze)

sumpnz
July 28, 2005, 05:37 PM
Dead link.

Cosmoline
July 28, 2005, 07:10 PM
Probably a dead or mortally wounded shooter, as well!

pauli
July 28, 2005, 09:11 PM
works fine here.

very silly, but entertaining nonetheless.

dakotasin
July 28, 2005, 09:53 PM
holy thread resurrection batman!!! 2-1/2 years in the making.... lol! i am surely impressed - both by the pistol and especially by the resurrection!

bad LT
July 28, 2005, 10:33 PM
I need one of those for rabbit hunting. Is it enough gun? :evil:

4v50 Gary
July 28, 2005, 10:43 PM
Why aren't those SA revolvers on steroids equipped with a swivel stud so it can take a monopod - preferably one attached to wheels so you can roll it whereever you go. ;)

DSRUPTV
July 29, 2005, 02:24 AM
Oh man, very entertaining, and looks like more than quite a handful to shoot. The gun flying out of your buddy's hands is just classic.

jason10mm
July 29, 2005, 12:35 PM
FWIW, I have fired a 50 BMG pistol in Hawaii (downloaded ammo for sure, but it would conceivably shoot the full power stuff).

Anyway, it was a 14 inch chunk of thick walled steel (I think it was a M2HB barrel, not sure). There was a screw on cap to secure the round in the chamber. A long firing pin lay loosely in a hole in the cap, the tip touching the primer of the cartridge. The barrel was welded to a 1911 frame that had a thick "guide rod" extending about 6 inches out in front of the frame to act as a hand hold. The hammer was about 5 inches long, enough to hit the firing pin sticking out of the cap. It was all topped off with a red dot scope welded to the barrel. Single shot, and WHAM! did it kick!!! Fun as hell though :)

I used to have pics, but never developed them and I think I lost the roll :(

Cavalry
July 29, 2005, 04:35 PM
stupid question, anyone who knows anything about anything should know the Smith 500 tops the class

jkswiss
July 30, 2005, 12:09 AM
?? I'm not quite sure what you mean there but I'm pretty sure that that gun has the .500SW round beat. By a long shot.

1911user
July 30, 2005, 01:45 AM
Does it matter anymore since rifles-type actions without the buttstock and a barrel slightly less than 16" are considered "pistols"? Technically they are handguns, but a 15 inch barreled 45/70 or 308 is not a handgun to me; it's a rifle without the buttstock.

Okiecruffler
July 30, 2005, 04:58 AM
"Technically they are handguns, but a 15 inch barreled 45/70 or 308 is not a handgun to me; it's a rifle without the buttstock."

The PC term is "Specialty Pistol" they can't be a rifle without a buttstock, the BATF says so.
I'm on another board with some fellas who shoot things like 416's and 458's in Encores, and that's got the S&W 500 beat, at least on the recoil end. I wonder if you could chamber an Encore in 50bmg...

Kamikaze
July 30, 2005, 11:35 AM
No, you can't chamber the Encore in .50BMG because the pressures exceed the Encore's max (at 35,000#). I have Encores chambered in .50-140 Sharps (700gr) and .600 Nitro Express (1040gr), both of which just meet the Encore's max (based on standard reloading guides). Recoil is substantial on the Sharps and immense on the .600.

Kamikaze

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