Boycott Michael Savage!


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rd5589
April 10, 2009, 12:32 AM
Boycott Michael Savage!
http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=5193

Let's show this moneygrubbing chickenhawk what we think of those who want to step on our rights.

E-mail jfarah@worldnetdaily.com stating why you are boycotting World Net Daily until Michael Savage is no longer a columnist there.

Keep it up!

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Quote:
Good day,

I am writing this letter to inform you that I will no longer purchase your products or subscribe to any of your publications or listen to your broadcasts until you sever all ties with the columnist Michael Savage for his outright disrespect for the Second Amendment rights of American citizens.

Thank you for your time.

Best Wishes.

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average_shooter
April 10, 2009, 12:51 AM
Don't really know who the guy is, but if he wrote that he is a terrible writer.

we have to ask: If the police are not allowed to have these types of weapons, then why is the public allowed have them. I want you, The Savage Nation to tell me why.

And he is horribly out of touch with reality. As many (most, all?) of us here know, the police are the one's that get the real "assault weapons" while us mere civilians are only allowed semi-auto-only "lookalikes."

Seems to me, from that one post of his, the guy's a loon and can't be taken seriously by anyone.

rd5589
April 10, 2009, 01:10 AM
Savage is ranked up there with Limbaugh among talk radio people.

Prince Yamato
April 10, 2009, 01:31 AM
I think he is either seriously confused or playing Devil's Advocate.

Roboshred
April 10, 2009, 01:32 AM
playing the market share with this statement. He has stated numerous times he is full on R2KBA and personally owns AW as define by California. It's rhetoric for ratings.

KevinAbbeyTech
April 10, 2009, 02:04 AM
I won't boycott Dr. Savage.
I agree with him on many things, and I think that your boycott is rather misinformed.

Geronimo45
April 10, 2009, 02:39 AM
RD5589, where did you get this idea from? I've seen the exact same post on the SCCC forums and I'm trying to find out who's starting this. Savage has been pro-2nd on his show. Give him the input he asked for, don't run around boycotting him.

wankerjake
April 10, 2009, 02:40 AM
Michael Savage is an idiot. I already boycott him.

BHP FAN
April 10, 2009, 02:41 AM
I casn't even find it on Savage's real site...
I'm a long time listener to Savage,and he's 100% FOR the RKBA.
I call BS.

Double Naught Spy
April 10, 2009, 06:51 AM
I don't know who he is either. I am fairly certain I don't buy from him. I have trouble seeing how boycotting a radio personality will really impact him, but y'all are welcome to try.

Delta608
April 10, 2009, 08:04 AM
Perhaps the original poster should re-read the entire article, again..or is trolling...

Duke of Doubt
April 10, 2009, 08:09 AM
Savage is a mouth who people like to hear talk. He used to be a left wing talk show host. For the past decade or so he has been a right wing talk show host. The guy would run around the Lower East Side in a dress and heels singing "Hello my baby ... (Telephone Rag)" if it paid his (mounting legal) bills. If you'll listen to it and pay to hear it, he'll say it.

taprackbang
April 10, 2009, 09:07 AM
I'm with you. Savage is an outright, professional liar. I can't stand him because he is disingenuous.

Savage is a change agent. He gets paid to shape public opinion. He purports to be conservative, and then he'll spout something radical, like the anti-assault weapon rhetoric.

taprackbang
April 10, 2009, 09:12 AM
BTW he is NOT 100% RKBA.

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.p...ew&pageId=5193

Ratings or not, he's still a very deceptive fellow.

taprackbang
April 10, 2009, 09:13 AM
Here is the link everyone.

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=5193

taprackbang
April 10, 2009, 09:14 AM
So why are our police outgunned? Is it because of the politically correct rules of engagement that have been imposed on them over the last 30 years? Or is it because there are too many assault weapons in the hands of criminals?

Michael Savage

husker
April 10, 2009, 09:15 AM
i dont think Savage is against the 2nd. what would he then use when BIG FOOT comes knocking at his door? O i forgot. he will just call his friends. YOU no the little green men from Mars. and they will shoot BIG FOOT with their fasers and lasers guns.then they will all fly off into the sunset together

ArmedBear
April 10, 2009, 09:21 AM
You guys don't get it.

He's trying to get people to call his radio show.

He's got at least one AR, and waxes poetic about the .45 he carries.

I don't know how he feels about RKBA, really. I'm not sure I'd call him consistent on a number of things. Sometimes it's hard to tell if he's just trying to get a rise from people, or if he's being straight.

A boycott is not the right response to him at this point. You sound like you're eager to fall into a trap.

He asked a question. Answer it.

THEN boycott if he goes on with anti-gun ranting or something.

But not as a first step.

No offense, but that would be really STUPID. Boycotting a professional provocateur, instead of answering a question he has posed, as a first step, is self-defeating at best. It seems immature, and it seems like something that the MoveOn-style liberals would do: when you don't have a good argument, then threaten people. It makes us sound like we don't have a leg to stand on, so we have to try to use force before using reason.

If you don't know anything about Michael Savage, and most of you sound like you don't, at least find out a few things first, just like you would with anyone else.

AllAmerican
April 10, 2009, 09:52 AM
His website seems quite conservative to me.

Ive never read anything or even heard him till this thread.

Jusat shows me that anyone can have a web site and be a political broadcaster. Radio will come soon after that.

I have the stuff to do it. I think I will.

logical
April 10, 2009, 10:14 AM
I'm against criminals having guns, add me to your boycott list.

Seriously...you want to boycott this knucklehead because he's a little less than unlimited 100% pro 2A? Aren't there about a million others more deserving of your outrage?

shdwfx
April 10, 2009, 10:19 AM
I read the post.

Savage is merely stirring up controversy for his show. I find him the hardest talk-show-host to figure out - there's something disingenuous about him and he's clearly only in it for the money (he used to be a liberal talk show host, now a quasi-"conservative"). His whole shtick is to purposefully antagonizing people, even his own audience. I don't listen to him anymore.

Who knows what he really believes.

ArmedBear
April 10, 2009, 10:31 AM
I'm not sure he's just in it for the money. People are motivated by all sorts of things. I think he really loves the game, sometimes. Don't play into that!

However, like Howard Stern, he is keenly aware of a fundamental principle in his business: people who get angry at a radio host can sometimes provide higher ratings and devote more listening time than anyone else.

He's not necessarily conservative, either. But when he's not, he doesn't swing towards libertarian. He's a social conservative, on some levels.

Like I said, don't fall into his traps (or anyone's -- there are plenty of people in the political arena who are looking for exactly that, and nothing else, for many reasons).

30mag
April 10, 2009, 11:14 AM
Is that guy retarded?
First, he suggests that LEO's aren't allowed to carry assault rifles.
Then he suggests that he thinks assault weapons ought to be outlawed...
THEN he suggests that we should "stop the flood of weapons that come from Mexico".. what?

And here's the kicker: He calls himself a conservative?
...
What..?

slzy
April 10, 2009, 11:26 AM
he is clearly against illegal aliens and amnesty.

and anti-gunners tend to be heavily pro alien amnesty.

jimmyraythomason
April 10, 2009, 11:33 AM
I think if all of his detracters would listen to what he says on a regular basis they would understand what he means when he asks such questions. Michael Savage IS PRO gun,period! All radio talk show hosts that take listener phone calls have to ask such questions or ,no phone calls,no debate + no radio show. I have listened to him for a long time and YES he is abrasive but definately conservitive.:scrutiny:

Geronimo45
April 10, 2009, 11:34 AM
First, he suggests that LEO's aren't allowed to carry assault rifles.
That may be a PD in California.

I find him the hardest talk-show-host to figure out - there's something disingenuous about him
Agreed. Most of the other hosts have respect for each other, Savage seems to hate 'em all. He can get very interesting when he starts to discuss history, though.

30mag
April 10, 2009, 11:44 AM
That may be a PD in California.
There's your problem.

However, I thought the LAPD was issuing rifles?

PBinWA
April 10, 2009, 11:52 AM
Savage is a New Yorker that now lives in San Francisco. He lacks a whole lot of perspective that is shared by those that live in the middle of those two highly left-leaning areas.

Like Limbaugh, he is an entertainer first, a libertarian/conservative second.

I do enjoy his show though. He is entertaining.

ArmedBear
April 10, 2009, 12:03 PM
Limbaugh told someone to read Hayek yesterday.

Michael Savage is, himself, very intelligent. However, his show doesn't operate on the intellectual level of Limbaugh's. Rush Limbaugh gets no credit for this from the left, who are scared of him, but they're two very different animals.

Savage can be a darkly emotional person, a real writer/artist type.

Regardless, let him do his thing. A boycott based on something he said and what rhetorical device he used is the LAST thing anyone ought to do right now.

redrock
April 10, 2009, 12:15 PM
Never fight with a man that buys his ink by the barrel or has a large microphone.:uhoh:

ArmedBear
April 10, 2009, 12:21 PM
Not to mention...

Barack Obama was stupid enough to attack Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. This not only made Obama look like a fool, it doubled the ratings of two of his best-known critics.

Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to see Barack Obama thrown out as the first Carter was. But we could learn something from his (growing list of) mistakes.

Seattleimport
April 10, 2009, 01:02 PM
Savage, like Limbaugh and Stern, is a professional blowhard. It's his job to antagonize people. He's very good at it; it's likely that everyone who's replied to this thread clicked on that link to his article, thereby driving traffic/ratings/advertising revenue to him.

If you want to defeat him, just ignore him.

ArmedBear
April 10, 2009, 01:14 PM
If you want to defeat him, just ignore him.

Just like those ---holes Mark Twain, Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine, John Steinbeck...

America would be a much better place if we'd defeated all of our blowhards over the years, you know those jerks who made money by making people laugh, making them think, and making them angry.:rolleyes:

I never suggested your deep cynicism. Maybe that's because I don't, and never did, live in Seattle.

I just believe in thinking before acting.

kingvillien
April 10, 2009, 01:20 PM
Gun owners should boycott Savage.

Seattleimport
April 10, 2009, 01:57 PM
I never suggested your deep cynicism. Maybe that's because I don't, and never did, live in Seattle.

I just believe in thinking before acting.


Gold star for the random statement about Seattle.

So, your argument then is that all professional rabblerousers (like Savage) add value to our society? I disagree, sir. Not all contrarians are created equal.

While some raise legitimate points and show the emperor has no clothes, others are simply egomaniacs in love with the sound of their own voice. Or, even worse, cynical panderers who care more about their paycheck than they do the meaning of the words coming out of their mouth.

There's a difference between the knowledgeable satire of Jon Stewart (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220252&title=cnbc-gives-financial-advice.) and the gross pandering of Glenn Beck (http://www.observer.com/2009/media/crying-game-i%E2%80%99m-sad-hell-and-i%E2%80%99m-not-going-take-anymore?page=all). Both are pundits, both are professional rabblerousers, but Jon doesn't hide the fact that he's acting and playing to his audience.

NWGunner
April 10, 2009, 02:02 PM
Last time I was listening to Savage was before Labor Day 2008. He was going on and on about how fun it was going to be to shoot his mini-14 that had been languishing in his safe. He solicited calls from the audience asking if it was safe to use old ammo bought "decades ago". Savage also CCW's IIRC. While maybe not a true "gun guy", he certainly exercises his RKBA by virtue of the fact he owns what CA now classifies as an Assault Weapon.

He is a showman, an antogonist and he's good at what he does. Personally, I don't listen to him much because he's on from 6-9pm in my local market, a 3-hour delay. He's very incendiary, invites conflict - and often contradicts himself.

To limit this discussion to wether or not we should boycott him, I think it's presumptuous to do so and his comments have been taken out of context. He's spoken numerous times about how he thinks gun ownership is a cornerstone of American culture.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
April 10, 2009, 02:12 PM
I would if I knew who the hell he was and why I should care. So I guess I already was and didn't know it! :)

hso
April 10, 2009, 02:33 PM
Ask him - michaelsavage@wnd.com

LaBulldog
April 10, 2009, 02:40 PM
Michael Savage is an idiot.

That's not nice. You just insulted all the idiots.

Leanwolf
April 10, 2009, 02:57 PM
I haven't listened to Savage for at least two years. But when I did, I distinctly remember him saying that he owned an AR15 and a Glock pistol.

Don't know what his gig is now, but unless he were lying at that time, he owned at least, those two "evil black guns."

L.W.

ArmedBear
April 10, 2009, 03:34 PM
There's a difference between the knowledgeable satire of Jon Stewart (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...nancial-advice.) and the gross pandering of Glenn Beck (http://www.observer.com/2009/media/c...ymore?page=all). Both are pundits, both are professional rabblerousers, but Jon doesn't hide the fact that he's acting and playing to his audience.

Pretty transparent of you.

All you are really saying is, "I'm a liberal, I like Jon Stewart, not Glenn Beck, and I've adopted the current strategy of the American left: don't respond to anything, just bash whoever said it." That's okay, I mean, the President is doing it now, but you're in no position to call anyone else disingenuous.

How much have you listened to Glenn Beck?

And how much serious critique of Stewart have you read?

Besides, nobody mentioned EITHER ONE of these guys.

I'd be careful with those Emperor's Clothes references, there.

And yes, Seattle has something to do with it. I know that a lot of the trendy young lefties there think they've all come to their own reasoned conclusions, but to anyone else looking in from outside, the groupthink is pretty obvious.

Now I know I will accomplish nothing by posting this, but what the hell. It probably won't occur to you that I'm trying to get you to think.

Jon Stewart does not do that. There's virtually no element of his work that challenges the individual to think.

I have my biases, though. I occasionally do listen to people on the radio, because I'm headed someplace and music radio gets old really fast. Whatever they say or don't say, listening to the radio is generally something that people who have lives do because they're going from place to place. I don't watch TV at home, haven't had cable for years, and I think if anyone's seen more than an hour of cable in the past week should get a life, for his/her own good.

Last I saw Jon Stewart with any regularity, he was a smirking sophomoric comedian. Recently, I saw more of him, and it's like he hasn't grown up at all, he just pretends to be more "serious" sometimes now.

I'm not defending Michael Savage. I've never met him. I'm not defending what he says. Some of it, I disagree with totally, and besides, I didn't say it, he did.

But... Your use of the word "defeat" and a list of every conservative celebrity-pundit, combined with the assertion that Jon Stewart is "different", are indicative of a deeper problem, both with a wide swath of the American chattering class, and with you specifically. I have never thought about "defeating" a pundit. That's just not the way that some of us think. Clearly, though, you do. That's what I'm trying to bring to your attention.

Jon Stewart's line has been some variant of "I'm just a comedian!" when he's called on something. I'd say that every one of the right-leaning guys you want to "defeat" has more integrity than that.

Jim K
April 10, 2009, 04:23 PM
People can own guns, even handguns and AWs and still want to ban them for everyone else. Just the normal "I am perfect, everbody else is scum" idea that 99% of even minor celebs have; it goes with the camera/microphone culture.

Jim

jasper275
April 10, 2009, 04:24 PM
Boy, those who are railing against Michael Savage are displaying their ignorance proudly. Listen to him for 1-2 weeks, and if you think he's an "idiot" or a "liberal," then I'll respect your opinion.

He's absolutely the best conservative host on radio, blowing away all the wimpy corporate hosts like Hannity (Vanity to Savage), Limbaugh (The Golfer), and everyone else. That he criticizes false conservatives makes nonlisteners believe him to be liberal.

I await Savage every evening with relish and am devastated when he's gone. Listen and you'll be hooked forever, I'm serious.

oldFred
April 10, 2009, 04:25 PM
It's obvious the OP doesn't know or listen to Michael Savage. If you knew his persona, you wouldn't have posted this.

I listen to him occasionally, he baits the listeners to get reactions. You have obviously taken the bait.

Therefore I am gonna have to RAISE THE B.S. flag on this post. Case closed.

:banghead:

danweasel
April 10, 2009, 04:43 PM
I have been boycotting Dr. Wiener (his real last name. What can I say? I'm immature.) way before I heard about this.

Actually was he named Wiener when he was a liberal? THAT would be funny.

NWGunner
April 10, 2009, 05:58 PM
Let's debate the merits of Savage being a RKBA advocate, not his other political positions. The reason to boycott him via THR would be a judgment on where he stands on 2A issues. Based on his previous broadcasts, I think it's fair to say that the linked commentary is simply a tool to energize his audience and cause them to examine their own views.

That being said, I've got to stick up for Seattle here. I was born and raised in Seattle and have lived here most of my life. It would be fair to say I identify with a significant amount of planks on the conservative party platform. Not every Seattlite has the same political views - just like THR community.

Anyone remember when Mayor Nickels had a town hall meeting about banning CCW in all Seattle Public parks/venues? The turnout against Nickels was 9-to-1 in favor of keeping current CCW laws.

I wouldn't characterize Seattle as a bastion of conservatism, but we are not all political automatons.

We don't have to pick sides on which talk show host is smarter/better/conservative/liberal. Let's try and re-focus on what we all hold to be important: Preserving our 2A rights and advancing the cause of gun ownership in our country.

Again, based on what I know of Savage - he seems to be on our side. A boycott of his show and advertising is uncalled for on the basis of RKBA. Now, if you disagree with the other things he says, great. But those peripheral disagreements don't necessarily relate to the subject at hand.

FiremanBob
April 10, 2009, 09:10 PM
Only Savage himself ranks Savage along with Limbaugh, Levin, Beck, et al.

He draws huge numbers but the demographics are not top-tier, and he frequently borders on lunacy. He is extremely bitter about the other talk show hosts and can't refer to any of them without insults and name-calling.

jasper275
April 10, 2009, 09:24 PM
I get the distinct impression that many high roaders don't get the subtlety and depth of Savage. Frightening how opinions, and strong ones too, are formed based on little to no exposure to the object of the scorn.

Without intending to sound elitist, I'd posit that the vast majority of the misinformed but highly opinioned posters have little formal education, which stresses withholding judgment until you do the research.

Savage doesn't talk much about RTKB because it doesn't have broad appeal to his audience, he's said as much. He does own firearms and said he was thinking about having a benefit show for the NRA.

Bordering on lunacy? Because you've only had exposure to bland, metrosexual members of the media, not the fire-breathing relic of America's virile halcyon past, Michael Savage. He's admitted as a youth being liberal, but he grew out of it.

Dumptruck
April 10, 2009, 09:34 PM
Jasper, I like how you make it seem as if anyone disagrees with you that they must be uneducated. Fantastic.

Savage is the kind of guy who loves the smell of his own feces. I have listened to several of his shows and I just end up getting irritated with his side rants.

The last episode I listened to he was requesting that the restaurants he eats at should contact the show or he wouldn't eat there again. Savage coupled that with him talking about Cuban music. :rolleyes: Very deep and thought provoking.

evan price
April 10, 2009, 10:18 PM
Savage is TROLLING the air waves looking for someone to call him up and debate. Happens all the time in talk radio. If you get some buzz started, people will tell other people and get them listening. Then the advertisers hit their mark.

Seriously, we're on the internet and don't understand why trolls do what they do?

If he had a radio show that said basically, "Yup, I agree with everyone who calls in." it wouldn't be that much fun, now would it?

By the way, only people who have an innate fear of their masculinity own guns.

Care to debate? :D

(For the impaired, /sarcasm)

kentucky bucky
April 11, 2009, 12:11 AM
"Savage is ranked up there with Limbaugh among talk radio people."


Nothing could be farther from the truth. He couldn't get Rush Limbaugh's coffee. He doesn't have a fraction of the audience. He is mearly a "Shock Jock" type of show that has to say crazy things to get attention.

KevinAbbeyTech
April 11, 2009, 12:18 AM
This thread needs to be closed.

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