Current non BP alternatives.


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P95Carry
October 23, 2003, 11:11 PM
I'll include Pyrodex in same category as BP tho I know it ain't the same ... nearly as messy tho!

But - other things?? I have tried Clean Shot, but not enough to really know whether it is good enough or not ... certainly clean-up was less arduous. What's the other .... ''777'' ... not sure.

So .. anways .. just interested to know who has tried alternatives and their opinions .....

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RUT
October 25, 2003, 09:18 AM
>>What's the other .... ''777'' ... not sure.<<

Just picked up some of this yesterday, and hope to give it a go this weekend!

===RUT===

ikd2
October 25, 2003, 11:27 AM
777 works well, but it needs to be from a freshly opened bottle as it begins to decay & loose some punch. The other trouble I've had with it is ignition. It is a little easier to ignite than pyrodex but not nearly as easy as black powder. I have used 777 in both my Ruger Old Army & in my rifles with a duplexed load. I start with a .22lr shell (someone suggested using a flintlock primer) full of black powder, then a main powder charge of 777. I started using this loading technique with because pyrodex because here in WA it is pretty damp & pyro is hard to light.

P95Carry
October 25, 2003, 11:45 AM
ikd2 ..... surely that small ''kicker'' charge of BP tends to negate any of the benefits of the cleaner powder .. assuming the triple 7 is less aggressive regarding corrosion effects.

Are there any ignition problems with this if you use an in-line and a 209? I can see that a #11 may not be enough ''fire'' ..... and I guess a flinter would be out of the question anyways!

RUT
October 25, 2003, 04:09 PM
It might be easier to use a musket nipple & primer.

ikd2
October 28, 2003, 12:50 AM
"ikd2 ..... surely that small ''kicker'' charge of BP tends to negate any of the benefits of the cleaner powder .. assuming the triple 7 is less aggressive regarding corrosion effects."

Theoretically I suppose that the small amt of BP used could induce a corrosive effect, But the amount of powder used is miniscule in relation to the total charge. Besides you still need to clean the weapon anyway just as you do with your supository shooters...right?
Corrosion hasn't been a problem for me the only problem I've experienced with this method of loading is increased chamber pressures to the point that my ruger's hammer recoils back to half cock when using the full load.

RevolverNoFTF
October 28, 2003, 01:26 AM
I am new to BP so take this with a grain of salt. This has been working well for me over the last 4 weeks, about 500 rounds worth. I bought a used TC Hawken and then bought what I thought sounded good to me when I started researching BP. I started right out with 777 FFG and Wonder lube wads. Today, for the first time I shot with some other real experienced BP shooters at the range. They were full of advice on how I had all the wrong stuff, and was doin all the wrong things to the gun. They spent most of their shooting time cleaning. I shot off 25 rounds without putting a cleaning patch thru and was still getting 2 1/2 in groups at 50 yards. They got off like 8-10 shots. PS...I use Simple Green, the auto stuff, to clean out the inside of the barrel at the end of the day. Give it a hose down, a wipe, and spray it with Honda Spra Cleaner & Polish on the outside. Then shove a wad of Charmin soaked in olive oil down the barrel. And store it bore down. When I am ready to go shooting. One cap blows the Charmin out and we are good to go!

Redlg155
October 28, 2003, 03:29 PM
777 seems to be the cats meow in my TC Encore. Any ignition problems are negated because of the use of 209 primers. I found it reasonably clean and free of the rotten egg smell. Instead of a sooty mess that I get with Pyro the 777 residue seems to be a bit dryer, almost flaky. I definitely got more shot off before I had to clean than with pyro.

Hopefully in the very near future I'll pick up my first BP repro revolver. I'll give it a try in that as well.

Good Shooting
Red

RevolverNoFTF
October 28, 2003, 10:56 PM
I got off 40 shots today without a cleaning. Last 10 shots were at 100 yards.(first time at this distance). First shot knocked out the 10. 4 inch group there after. PS any olive oil will do ok.

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