I am at a loss for ideas here. Nashville weather turned very cold, and I have to wear a heavy coat all zipped up. While I have no worry of goblins, the neighborhood is teeming with miscellaneous unrestrained dogs. I'd like to have some method of dealing with them.
Currently, I can't draw from any belt or IBW holsters, or from pant pocket. My big flap pockets and lapel pockets on the coat are hard to access quickly. Other than putting a Y-harness over the coat (too conspicuous), what options do I have for quickly accessible carry of something reasonably potent and operable with thick gloves?
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January 18, 2003, 08:01 PM
Being only 70 miles distant, we share the same weather (especially this week :mad: ) but we're a bit more rural here which may allow some leeway. I go to a "belly" rig when it gets into single digits. I wear a heavy T shirt, or long-sleeved undershirt, shirt (wool if possible, dress shirt with tie if forced) and a heavy wool pullover. The outer coat goes over this, but stays open, at least enough so that the off-hand can clear it. Sweater covers the gun, and is cleared by the gun hand. The gloves are another problem - I don't wear them, usually. If I'm out long enough for the cold to get to my hands, I wear loose mittens which I can "wipe" off against my side.
January 18, 2003, 09:58 PM
Although I'm not too high on shoulder rigs, I've found that they are a decent answer to the cold weather/heavy outer garment question. I wear several layers in this weather (15 f) and have no problem wearing a Mitch Rosen shoulder rig over all, and directly under a jacket or parka. Outer zipper goes 1/2 way down, hand goes in jacket, & onto weapon. No fumbling under fleece or sweatshirts, etc. No printing under winter jacket, either.
January 18, 2003, 09:59 PM
The low here this week has been below 0 and high about 15. I have no problems drawing my Glock from my OWB rotoholster from Sidearmor in these conditions. My cover garaments are a insulated flannel shirt and a carhart barn coat both unbuttoned. I was very comfortable. Myself I am wondering how hard it will be to carry the G19 in spring and summer were my cover garments will be limited by the high tempeture.
January 18, 2003, 10:11 PM
Snaps, rather than buttons or zippers, are the preferred method of closure.
Wear gloves either big enough to wipe off, or small enough to not create a problem.
Carry a full size under your coat, and something like a snub nose in whatever pocket works.
Pay more attention, because you will be slower.
January 18, 2003, 10:14 PM
Pocket-carry pockets for my P11 have become the first thing I look for in a new coat.
January 18, 2003, 10:19 PM
Eamonn & Peet, our weather lately has been right in there with yours - had a 4 here last night, and the lows are supposed to be at or below 20 all next week.
The Carhart coats (especially with blanket linings) are some of the best cover garments out there. I wear one over a Carhart quilted vest, with a 624 in a DeSantis shoulder rig. Bulky enough and common enough, around here, that the combo is totally unnoticeable. If Oleg is moving in business circles, even in the "Country Capitol", he may not be able to take advantage of them.
January 18, 2003, 10:37 PM
There is an outfit in Nashville called The Burlington Coat Factory. Cover garment fever can become as obsessive as holster lust at times, and I've threatened to take a run though that place despite Nashvilles' congested traffic and mall crowds. And the fact that when I bring it up, the wife hides the credit cards.
January 18, 2003, 10:38 PM
it's -20 up here..........yes-20 and i carry my .44 mag 3" crossdraw...........
January 18, 2003, 10:50 PM
I've been looking for a CD rig for a 3" N Frame - what are you using?
January 18, 2003, 11:00 PM
A $ 16 UNCLE MIKE'S ........nylon...........
January 18, 2003, 11:18 PM
If your taste runs more to leather, I heartily recommend El Paso Saddlery for N frame leather, they'll get my order shortly for one for my new to me 3" N frame 624 Lew Horton Special.
January 18, 2003, 11:23 PM
LEW HORTON.........NICE.........I JUST GOT ONE OF THE 25TH ANNV.........IT'S A HANDFULL.......
January 18, 2003, 11:27 PM
I'm anxious to get my hands on it, it should make a dandy cold weather / home defense revolver.
January 19, 2003, 03:26 AM
Cold snap??? What's that?? Here in the valley of the sun, it got up to 76 degrees and will fall to the unheard of temp of 44 tonight!! :eek: :neener:
I wear what I always wear. Jeans and a loose t-shirt. I carry the "piece" in a Galco IWB holster, which is covered up by the shirt. Sorry if this ain't much help, but if you got it, flaunt it!!! :neener: :neener: :neener:
January 19, 2003, 03:36 AM
Fingerless wool gloves come in handy.
many a time whilst hunting used one for shooting hand and a regular glove on off hand.
Good idea to check CCW with gloves, Murphy's law you know.
January 19, 2003, 03:42 AM
really nice Columbia(I know I know they are antis, but it was FREE and I'm on a budget) coat as a gift. It has slash pockets in on either side on the chest, and they are an absolutely great place to have a concealed handgun. You can walk around casually with your hands in your pockets with gun in hand. Very nice.
January 19, 2003, 03:56 AM
Shoulder rig over fleece vest, under half buttoned coat...
Method 2 (my preferred)
Mouse gun in pocket...
Rip off gloves with teeth, grab gun, bang!
Important note..never, during winter, carry SOB...
January 19, 2003, 08:19 AM
Hi Oleg, I didn't know you moved down here. I live in Smyrna
and work in Nashville. You didn't say how long you are going to
be out in the weather. If I'm moving from parking lot to building I
just wear thin leather gloves (no liners) and have my coat
snapped, but not zipped, and rely on my SIG220 on my hip. If
I'm going to be out in the elements for a while a S&W Centenial
Airweight is added in the outer coat pocket. If need be it can be shot thru the pocket.
For the canines you mentioned a walking stick works about as
well and helps when the sidewalks get slippery.
January 19, 2003, 10:47 AM
Oleg, Oleg... you posted and didn't bother to ask your Runt to see how it's done? :p
- Wear a coat that's flexible, easy to move around in. Preferably with not alot of snag points. Mine's a heavy nylon with a zipper, so movements are easy without alot of friction.
- Don't zip it up. That inhibits movement and makes your gun hard to get to.
- Make sure the sleeves aren't too long or you risk the slide of a semiauto snagging on it when firing.
- Wear nice tight gloves that you can grip your gun with - mine are leather Thinsulate gloves.
If you're carrying around the belt and not the coat pocket, I find it easist to draw like this:
- If you carry anywhere in the strong side to SOB position, put your gun hand flat down on your hip. Move your hand up against your thigh, naturally brushing your coat up over the gun. (Don't pick a coat that's too long!)
- Keep moving your hand up until you reach and grab your gun. Now draw as you normally would - it should be a quick and easy draw without the coat in the way. I've found this way easier and alot faster than trying to move the coat aside like a curtain and digging my gun out from around it.
There is an outfit in Nashville called The Burlington Coat Factory.
There's been plenty of Runt sightings there. :p
Don't worry about mall traffic - Burlington Coat Factory is located in the remains of the 100 Oaks Mall; a near-dead mall that survives through very few shops. Take 65 South all the way there - southbound traffic isn't that bad if you avoid rush hour.
They do have a nice selection of coats & clothes that can conceal most everybody's guns. :p
January 19, 2003, 10:59 AM
Dang if the two front/center pockets on my new Colombia jacket won't hold a 3" K-frame... :eek:
That's pretty cool! :D
January 19, 2003, 11:28 AM
The only thing about pocket carry is to retain your "presence of mind". I have an old Woolrich Black Powder coat that is a winter favorite. Went into the office one Sat. AM some years ago on a "help" call, and took it off in too much of a rush. My 686 snub came out of the flap pocket, chipped the grips, dinged the rear sight blade, and came to rest at my secretarys' feet. She picked it up, and dusted it off while I spoke at length to several dieties, and tried to live it down. She thought it was funny - said she had never dropped her Det.Spec. out of her purse. No, I didn't consider a purse, but I take the coat off carefully, now :cuss:
January 19, 2003, 06:29 PM
I'm with Peetmoss on this. I can carry and draw my Glock from an OWB holster most rapidly in this cold environment!
January 19, 2003, 07:06 PM
The Land of Frozen Orange?
Go coat shopping. Take her with you, a cheap date (remember the shoes).:D
When wearing my work coat, I leave it unbuttoned. Having a lot of drop helps access the weapon(s). Off duty in my yuppie scum attire, I wear a Filson that I can lift out of the way or vampire draw.
Whatever you decide, be sure to test it out in dry practice.
Stay dry, stay warm.
January 19, 2003, 07:50 PM
Cold weather and unrestrained pooches ...
Oleg, you guys down in Tennesse have it way too warm. :D My area's been more like what upstate N.Y. is seeing: temps in the -10 to -20 range, aggravated by high winds.
If you have to go out all bundled up with thick sweaters, scarf, gloves and a heavy coat and still deal with the rampaging doggies in your neighborhood, then I'd recommend using a shoulder holster much like what Eamonn Wright describes. The particular holster is up to you and what your budget permits. I like Galco's.
As far as using gloves, that isn't necessarily a problem with getting your gun out of the shoulder holster - it's just a flick of the thumb-snap - but it may impact getting your gloved trigger-finger inside the trigger guard and, obviously, a gloved finger will affect trigger control. A lot depends on what gun you're using.
Bu it's probably the fastest set-up for accessing your gun w/o having to unbutton and unzip your "cold-weather" stuff.
January 19, 2003, 08:11 PM
OLEG !! You didn't consult Runt :uhoh:
That next shopping spree gonna cost you big time. I'd stay away from guns and coats...'cause your not gonna live this down.
Last cold day at the range, in my Woolrich wax cotton I had 2 ,4" mod 10's in one pocket, a model 65 and 15 in the other, and 3 j frames in the bottom 2 pockets. I 'm also wearing my IWB 1911 CCW. Stopped at the 'mart for coffee and smokes. Arrived at the range with the new students, Bug-eyed when I started unpacking the range guns--The other instructors wondered where the revos went, they had just grabbed ammo and semi's.
January 19, 2003, 09:34 PM
Most of the time I wear winter coats that come just below waist level so that I can still use my prefered IWB strong side carry. It just takes a little extra practice. But when it gets REALLY COLD (to me anything single digit or below) I switch to big knee length down coats that make IWB impractical. That`s the only time I switch to shoulder rig. I`ve found that with a vertical shoulder rig you can just leave the top few inches of the zipper/snaps open with the flap still folded over and still slip a hand in and draw just fine. Marcus
January 19, 2003, 10:44 PM
originally posted by Tamara:
Dang if the two front/center pockets on my new Colombia jacket won't hold a 3" K-frame...
I was thinking the same thing, fixed sight revolver with a bobbed hammer should work nicely in an outside coat pocket. Your hands are in your pockets anyway. Why not hold onto the gun?
As for not checking with Runt...
You're on your own. Flowers might work, a trip to the gunshop might work better.:D
January 21, 2003, 01:04 PM
When I have to wear a suit in cold weather I wear my Galco Miami Clasic shouler rig,while I am not a big fan of shoulder holsters it is the only way to get to the gun quickly and safetly.
I wear a overcoat over my suit then leave it unbuttoed to about mid-stomach. I wear a wool scarf to over my chest area. When I need to get to the gun I just grab the lapel of my coat with my support hand then grab the gun with my strong hand. I make sure to wear gloves that are thin enough t let me handle my gun but not so thin my hands freeze. Sometimes I'll wear a white long sleeve ploy-pro shirt under my dress shirt so my chest don't get cold.
January 21, 2003, 01:20 PM
The HK USP Compact goes in a Miami Classic, with an oversized thick flannel shirt (unbuttoned) over it, or a polar fleece shell (unzipped). Parka over the top (mine has velcro tabs on the storm flap next to the bi-directional zipper).
The only gloves are ones I've proven at the range.
Purse gun (3" 649) stays where it is (works fine as carry mode and firearm with chosen gloves - but reloads are slow; it buys time to get to hard cover and use the HK).
Simple; proven regularly at the range.
January 23, 2003, 12:47 AM
Does tend to get cold here in Colorado once in a while.
If having to actually be out in the cold, rather than out of the (warm) car to "the mall," (as if) etc., I'll beef up on the lightweight capilene type undergarments & a light layer of fleece or down vest. That keeps me warm, & the gore-tex lightweight windbreaker blocks the wind while giving my "overcoat" to conceal. Also, it's my summer outer garment so I'm comfortable & concealed as always.
IWB. A quick snap of the bottom button (I rarely zip up) & complete accessability.
I like to stay the same-same no matter the weather. Makes for decent consistancy.
January 23, 2003, 01:43 AM
I don't believe I'm about to plug one of the goofy products the company I work for sells, but here's a good idea in gloves for CCW
I gave mine to The Wife & she decided never to wear 'em. I won't even use those for cold-weather hunting. Although they do have somewhat of an alure, I still have no use for 'em. No flames, just a personal pref. I wear a Capilene lighweight & just keep my hands warm. I really do prefer a gloveless hand for anything.
Why not just stuff yer hands into a nice & cozy cargo pocket already designed for warmth?
Nothing beats just a hand.
(again, no flames intended. Just my owm preference & observation as to what works)
January 23, 2003, 02:12 AM
"Nashville cold". Hee hee. *snork*
Saw something on FOXNEWS this evening, about how it's been so cold in NYC, it's not gotten above freezing all week.
Well boo-friggedy-hoo, New Yorkers. My heart bleeds.
Oh wait, no it doesn't. My blood is frozen, because today the wind chill was TWENTY FIVE BELOW ZERO. Standing air temperature has scaracely been in the double digits all week.
Current temperature here in Marquette is zero. With the light breeze out it feels like 17 below, according to Weather.com.
Heh, just had to rib you southerners a bit. You guys really don't know what cold is. (I humbly stand aside for our Alaskan members, though, they've got us beaten.) :D
January 23, 2003, 02:28 AM
& to just beat Nightcrawler's drum some - we had an 11-day record where the high never jumped above zero - the high, for the slowest amongst us. ;)
-17F at 1PM & a bud & I went backpacking into the mountains for a coupla days.
We were on the edge of our gear & attitude BTW. Lucked out & we lived. ;)
But, all our guns still shot as expected, but they were a bit harder to get at - that time. :D
January 23, 2003, 06:32 AM
Cold!!??? Wassat??? :p
Now come June, when it's 122 in the shade, we desert dwellers have a simular, although different problem. How do you cover the dang thing up???!!!!
I'm just about to walk out onto my balcony in my swim trunks and bear feet to smoke a cig!!! :neener: :neener: :neener:
January 24, 2003, 10:59 PM
I carry my .357 snubbie in the right front jacket pocket of my columbia jacket. I carry a pair of brown cloth jersey gloves in the same pocket. No holster necessary. Cell phone goes in the left front pocket. Works fine. I usually walk with my hands in my pockets anyway, so I often have my hand on it.
Ya it's cold up here eh. I live about 12 miles west of Nightcrawler where it's 1000 ft. higher in elevation and usually 10 degrees colder.
January 26, 2003, 12:15 AM
In cold weather,which We're experiencing right now,I carry My 642 or 649 in My off side coat pocket.Both hands in pockets to keep them warm.The side benefit is that Your hand is on the gun and You can shoot thru the pocket if needed.tom.
January 26, 2003, 12:27 AM
Here's a more important question. If you live in a place that ACTUALLY GETS COLD (hint: that's not you, Texas. You either, Georgia.) can you operate your handgun with your heavy winter gloves?
With my thinsulate winter gloves (even those don't work so well when you're outside for extended periods, if it's 2* outside like it is now) my finger can barely fit into the trigger loop of my CZ-97.
Rifles are another story (mostly), but it seems to me that most pistols don't work well with real winter gloves.
January 26, 2003, 02:01 AM
I carry my Beretta 92FS in a Fanny pack summer/winter because I can strap it on outside of a jacket.
Since I only own a Beretta 92FS and Colt 1991A1 I really can't carry IWB. If I were you, depending on what kind of jacket you owned, I would consider carrying in an outside pocket on the winter jacket. My biggest winter CCW worry is... "will my gloves snag on the slide of my gun while firing." I took a pair of scissors to my gloves just to make sure nothing was stringing out.
January 26, 2003, 02:05 AM
can you operate your handgun with your heavy winter gloves?
You beat me too it!!
When I practiced firing my Beretta with one pair of gloves I owned I couldn't even tell if my finger was on the trigger.
I forget is its the L1A1 or the STG58 (or maybe even both) but the trigger guard actually can come off for winter combat. GOOD IDEA!!!
January 26, 2003, 02:42 AM
The trigger guard on my STG58A is big enough for my gloved finger by a good margin, though yes, you can remove it if you're wearing a space suit or something.
Kalashnikovs too. Even Russian hunting rifles like the VEPR and Saiga. THey're all designed for use with heavy gloves, and thus have big trigger loops and easy to manipulate controls.
I'll say one thing about the FALs sliding rear sight; it may not be real precise, but it's probably easier to manipulate with heavy gloves than trying to click an elevation knob on an M1A. (Haven't tried the latter, though, so can't say for sure).
Most pistols I've encountered are completely inadequate for use with heavy gloves. Even if the trigger guard wasn't too small, a lot of them have grips that are too short to get all of your fingers on if wearing gloves.
Somewhere there's a niche market for an Arctic pistol; oversized grip, trigger loop, and controls, designed for use with heavy gloves. Hell, you could even make the thing's frame out of white-colored polymer, and do the slide up in a winter camoflage polycoat finish or something.
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