Glock vs. HK USP vs. Walther P99


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45R
December 26, 2002, 01:53 PM
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Theres always someone who starts a tread like this so I figured hey what not.

Your assignment if you choose to accept it. (see below) If you get flamed we will not disavow your existance.

Compare and Contrast the Glock Series, HK UPS Series and the Walther P99 Series. Use your descretion.

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eap
December 26, 2002, 01:58 PM
just had to stir up trouble eh?:D

gbelleh
December 26, 2002, 02:56 PM
I have owned all three:

Glock 26 (sold it last year)
HK USP 45 Compact
Walther P99

All are good guns, but my favorite and the only one of the three that has never had a failure of any kind is the USP. The USP is also by far the most accurate pistol I have ever owned.

That's my experience, yours may vary! :p

Plan-B
December 26, 2002, 03:04 PM
I have a P99 9x19. I just bought a USP .45ACP. And I will be buying a Glock 19 early next year (as soon I figure out a way to "prove" my CA residency). I've never understood why the gun community bickers amongst itself with all the brand and caliber arguments when we could be turning this energy against the Feinsteins of the world.

Schuey2002
December 26, 2002, 03:06 PM
I'll try and play along.

Currently own 4 Glocks,owned 1 Walther P99 (sold it),I've owned 1 HK USP9c (sold it,too!),and plan on buying a new HKP2000 ...

I love the Glock reliability,ease of repair,factory mags, and durable Tennifer finish. Did I mention that I like Glocks ?? ;)

I really liked my USP9c.. It was durable and I never had any problems with it or FTF's. The one thing that I didn't like was the chunkiness of it. It just felt like it needed a 'CNC' diet and could stand to have its width lessened a little.. Having said that,I'll probably buy another one in the not to distant future..

I enjoyed my Walther P99 while it was with me. It was probably one of the coolest looking guns that I've ever owned. As far as the good points [see what I said about my Glocks]as they apply in this case also. As far as the negatives, I didn't care for the trigger, or that ski ramp looking thing under the trigger, or the way that the trigger would bite the end of my index finger. I didn't much care for the factory sights either. This doesn't at all mean that I won't buy one in the future..

Just for the record and to be all inclusive,you should have included Sigs and CZ's into this "vs." debate as well.. ;) ;)

seeker_two
December 26, 2002, 04:35 PM
posted by Schuey2002:
I really liked my USP9c.. The one thing that I didn't like was the chunkiness of it...


Kinda hard to hear from a Glock-er...:D

Schuey2002
December 26, 2002, 04:42 PM
Yeah, but I consider a Glock to be "slab sided" and the HK USP's as "chunky",you know, like a certain candy bar..:D

Trisha
December 26, 2002, 05:26 PM
I don't own the Walther (hey - a girl's wish list is long, with the long-desired selective-fire UZI at the top!), but I love both my G21 and my HK USP Compact (also in .45acp).

I don't find the HK too bulky as my primary carry gun - a girl remains acceptably fashion-conscious with only minor concessions to concealment requirements, especially here in the mountains!

Both are absolutely reliable, more acurate than I can hold, and simplicity itself to clean - and after thousands and thousands of rounds through both, I unhesitatingly recommend either, with a slight bit of predjudice to the HK (likely just blond logic...).

Hugs!

Trisha

mlk18
December 26, 2002, 05:46 PM
In my experience, as has been said before in this thread,
I think all 3 are good guns. But I think Glock has the edge.
While I am sure others have had differing experiences,
all my Glocks have all been 100% reliable and durable.
While on the range I have seen the other two fail, albeit rarely.
However I think the factor I am using for comparison is "value".
In the cost to performance ratio, neither the H&K or Walther
can come close the the plastic fantastic. IMNSHO


mlk18

mikemck
December 26, 2002, 06:15 PM
I had a USP Compact in 357 Sig, but I sold it after reading a few too many reports about poor or non-existant customer service, lack of parts availability, and other miscellaneous problems.
The fit & finish were first rate, but no better really than other guns that cost quite a bit less.
Overall, the USP is a nice gun, but way overpriced, in my opinion.

I finally moved away from Glocks because I just could not get comfortable carrying with a round chambered, although I have no trouble keeping my finger out of the trigger guard until I am ready to fire.
The only real advantage on the Glock side is the Tenifer treatment. I have FTF's and FTE's with several Glocks, just like with other brands.

The P99 is a great gun, except for the trapezoidal slide. I hated the slide, but otherwise it was a great gun.
I never had any problems with the 3 I have owned, and the accuracy was great.
I did have a problem with the trigger guard or the mag release slapping my finger around, which was irritating.

These days, I much prefer a DA/SA or DAO setup, with a hammer. I'm just more comfortable with that arrangement, and that's what really counts.

rock jock
December 26, 2002, 08:14 PM
My top picks:
Ergonomics go to P99
Aesthetics go to HK
Reliability is about the same for all three
Concealibility goes to Glock
Accuracy goes to either P99 or HK

10-Ring
December 27, 2002, 01:43 AM
I have no experience outside of an occassional fondling of the P99 in any caliber. I have owned Glocks in the past (23, 21c) and currently a 36. I currently own 4 USPs (an Expert 45, USP 45, USP 9 and USPc ). Of all my guns & the guns I have access to, I shoot the HK's the best. They just work best for me :)

modifiedbrowning
December 27, 2002, 04:41 AM
Have shot a Glock, didn't work for me. Felt like a brick in my hand.
Have shot an USP, felt good, accurate, nice gun. Overpriced for what you get in my opinion(still want buy one though).
Own a P99, fits the hand, accurate, good price. I would recommend the P99 to anyone looking for a nice pistol. I still have a couple more to buy.:)

tobeat1
December 27, 2002, 08:41 AM
Glocks rock. Plain and simple. I do have a HK .45 fullsize and yes it is "chunky". Very accurate and fun to shoot. I never cared for the P99.

denfoote
December 27, 2002, 08:46 AM
I used to own a G19, but I traded it for a G29. However, I have a P99 that is the cat's meow!!! HK has no power over me!!! ;)

Bergeron
December 27, 2002, 09:56 PM
I ended up trying all three, ended up with the HK.

The Walther's grip was just too small, and the decocker was placed in a funky location.

The Glock and HK both felt great in my hand, but I came to appreciate the HK's better checkering on the front and back of the pistol. I was able to relase the mag on the HK without shifing my grip at all, not possible for me with the Glock. Also, when I tried to relase the magazine on the Glock, the opposite side of my hand actually prevented me from pushing the magazine release all the way in. More ****fing of the grip. I was equally pleased with the triggers on both guns, and like both cocked and locked and "safe action". The ten round magazines that the HK had were MUCH easier to load to capacity than the Glock 10 rounders. Also, and this is going to sound weird, it seemed much easier to insert the magazine into the HK. Kind of like the mag well was "sucking" the loaded magazine into the frame.:cool: I liked that.

I'll end up owning a Glock eventually, but I prefer the HK.

PATH
December 28, 2002, 01:38 AM
Walther P99. That is IMHO the better of the group. That is why I own one. Nuff'said.

Wildalaska
December 28, 2002, 02:39 AM
The nice thing about being involved in the gun business is the fact that you can handle, fondle, evaluate, shoot, take apart and play with most everything...

The HKs IMHO are overly large for what you get, blocky and generally just clunky..they shoot OK, seem durable, I think their service sucks.

Glocks are Glocks, the AK47s of the pistol world. To paraphrase the famous saying about AKs, a Glock is a pistol designed for users who dont have flush toilets...:)

All else being equal, I actually bought a P99 in 9mm...very impressive, and suppressable :D

dacinokc
December 28, 2002, 03:05 AM
I have owned several Glocks and still have a G23, and have shot several HK Usps, and own both P88s and P99s.
Folks seem to either love or hate Glocks; personally I feel life is too short to waste time on the powerful emotions of hate so all I can say is they are not my cup of tea. Even after having the gun worked over, my G23 is only a fair gun. I don't like the grip or the angle, nor do I live the trigger feel. The mag release is primative at best. It is boxy and ugly, and worth all of say 350.00 dollars to me. (And no don't bother flaming by offering me money for mine, it is good for taking in the fishing tackle box, I have not guilt about a Glock shifting around in two inches of water in the bottom of the boat!)
Problem is Glock now encourages dealers to sell them at more like 600.00 dollars with puts them in a catagory of being compared to others in the same price range.
The Usp is a disapointment IMHO. Here is the company that produced such greats as the P7 series, and I expected as much out of thier polymer gun. Instead all I find is a price point to try to counter the hard mark to dollar exchange rate. The trigger is mushy IMHO, and it boxy in design, with little inspiration. The safety, while clever in it's flexability fails in pratice for fit and feel. It is hard to imagine that this is produced by the same folks who built my MP-5.
The walther does not walk on water, it is not the perfect answer, but it is a pretty cool gun. The first shot pulls forever, but is at least as manageable as a glock. It at least does have a clear take up and release, and the second shot on release point is clear and great. The design is nice, the angular slide reminds me of the Jericho with it's triangle like design. This produces a top of the slide that is more narrow, and encourages better siteing in on shots. The grip is outstanding, and flexable with the back straps. With the high caps you can get on the market, you will have 16 rounds of 9mm. If you can accomplish what you have to in that number you have a problem. It feels good in the hand, aims well, and triggers well.
My experence of walthers tells me that they can be load and shape sensitive, but the P-99 feeds hollowpoints and 115 grain bullets better than any other Walther I know. Try loading a light hollowpoint into a PPK and see how it feeds when you are counting on it- No Thanks!!
So the winner IMHO is the P-99, good grep, decent trigger, and natural site window, and cool looks to boot!

benewton
December 28, 2002, 04:38 PM
I really want a glock!

I want to go to 10mm, and what other new autos are really there?

But, to me, it feels like a brick, handles like one, and, a stupid comment if it were, to me, a usable tool, looks like one.

And the Walther is a "cool gun", but I'm buying a tool, not "cool"

USP's in the full sized versions don't impress, and don't get me started on their tactical .45, but the USPc...

I've got a .40, since I acquired mine before the .45 came out. Fits my hand, rides the belt well, and has had zero problems as far a cycling goes.
My eyes are, I guess, adjusted low left, so it has MMC sights.

FWIW, I see no reason for a 9mm if you can get a .40 in the same package.

'course, I'm on my way out the back door to practice with the winter carry .44 Bulldog....

Ekhawaii
December 28, 2002, 08:11 PM
I get a chance to shoot quite a few differnt handguns teaching, as the other instructors bring all thier own guns to class.

I have to say that I keep coming back to my Glock 19...

"Feels like a brick?" Hmm. I shoot a friends Kimber 1911 a lot. It's heavier and harder for me to shoot accurately after a while as I get tired. THAT feels like a brick to me...Being a gal, I don't personally have as much arm strength as some of you manly-men out there.

I don't think there is necessarily any "best" handgun, just whatever the individual is most comfortable, fits the hand and is accurate with. ;)

45R
December 30, 2002, 01:50 PM
nice Compare and contrast guys. I am glad to see that no one caused a rukus. :)


Very Classy!


45R

rock jock
December 30, 2002, 02:44 PM
The Walther's grip was just too small
You do know that the gun comes with inserts that make the grip either larger or smaller?

HS/LD
December 30, 2002, 03:51 PM
STOP all this craziness!!!:eek:

Everyone knows that H&K USP is a much better pistol than the other two junkers!!

HS/LD

TFL Money Repellant
December 30, 2002, 09:39 PM
I've not had the opportunity to shoot the P99, but I have shot a glock in 40cal and a H&K Tactical (.45acp).

The H&K is the most accurate pistol I've ever used. So much so that all my extra money is going toward saving up for one. Well, once I get my makarov. :)

I can't say that I really care for the Glock. I wanted to like it, but it just didn't feel right in my hand and I couldn't group well with it.

New_comer
December 30, 2002, 09:41 PM
Everyone knows that H&K USP is a much better pistol than the other two junkers!! Amen to that!!! :D:D:D

RKCheung
December 31, 2002, 05:58 AM
I've shot all three.

USP - Most accurate, but didn't really like the ergonomics of it and it is prohibitively expensive.

Glock 19 - Least accurate, horrible ergonomics, but good price.

P99 - Slightly less accurate than the USP, best ergonomics and affordable.


And I own a P99 Military 9mm. :D

NewShooter78
December 31, 2002, 06:09 AM
the SIG Pro .40. I've fired the P99 and didn't really care for it. I like the HK USP a lot, and I really don't care for the Glock either. The P99 just didn't feel right in my hands, nor did the Glock. I couldn't afford the HK, so I went with the SP2340 instead, and I really like the gun a lot.

KMKeller
December 31, 2002, 08:51 AM
I'm that guy who looks at the menu and says "I'll have one of everything please"... That being said, I prefer the HK line.

Shake
January 2, 2003, 04:28 PM
I much prefer the USP to the other two.

Glocks point high for me. H&Ks feel better in MY hand than P99s. I shoot USPs better than both of them.

Shake

fatboyclone
January 2, 2003, 06:19 PM
glocks.. eh
walther... no experience with one
HK... WOOHOO! an amazing example of what all guns should be.

you know what they say...a HK is a glock only fully gestated!

UTEPMiner
October 9, 2005, 01:29 AM
I like my M92FS. I'm better with it than the full size and baby glocks. Am I crazy? I seem to be the only big fan of this gun.

lyricsdad
October 9, 2005, 05:31 AM
I own a p99, love the grip, you can adjust it w/ removable straps. its way more accurate than i am. I myself think the usp is a "cool" pistol, i wouldnt mind owning one, and I know in the future i will own a glock. If you want to get the best bang for the buck, am betting glock.

Shipwreck
March 3, 2006, 01:03 PM
I have a Glock 34, a SW99 and Walther P99 and a new HK USP. All guns are 9mm.

The SW99 is my fav. I had the slides on both my compact Walther and the SW99 hardchromed. Now, they are really sweet looking.

I am the most accurate with my SW99, and the grip is very ergonomic. I shoot the USP almost as well. I will admit that the grip is like a brick - I shoot it well, so I like it, but it is not that comfortable to hold. I like the cocked and locked feature of the USP, and the SA pull has such a crisp break on mine that I love it.

I like mY Glock 34, and have prev had a G17,19 and 26. The 34 is the only one I like, because it has a lighter trigger pull stock. But, I don't shoot it quite as well as my HK and SW99.

Riktoven
March 3, 2006, 07:28 PM
Own a P99 and G19, limited trigger time behind the USPc (~200rnds).

P99 is my choice,

First off, these are all solid tried and true designs. Reliability is going to be pretty much the same between them. I'm still amazed that Walther didn't get sued for the P99 by Glock they are so similar. I should take picks of the undersides of the slides side by side to illustrate the point.

Accuracy: I can't see any reason why any of these designs would be more mechanically accurate than the others. I think it all comes down to grip and trigger fit.

I like the P99 better than the Glock because of the grip, the trigger (AS), the looks, the mag capacity, and most especially the mag release.

I like the P99 better than the H&K for the same reasons, plus price, plus customer service (never dealt with them, but the company's business model is irritating with it's lack of catering to the civillian market). Good gun, and the beginning of my love affair with lever mag releases. However, unless you are concerned about long term holster wear, the P99 is superior in every way (at least to me). The HK finish is definately harder than whatever the black stuff on the P99 is, and doesn't scratch as easy.

The P99 trigger seems to be a Love/Hate thing. I love the stress buffer on the first trigger pull, mine is about 9lbs and very smooth after 20K rounds. The single action is short and crisp (~4lbs) with an extremely short reset. I also don't pinch my finger when pulling the trigger, that seems to be a common complaint.

Concealability goes to the Glock (albeit not by much, every bit helps).

To each his own though. Anyone who has spent a decade with any one weapon configuration is going to take comfort in being proficient with his or her weapon, and shouldn't switch until we figure out the whole phaser thing.

progunner1957
March 3, 2006, 10:46 PM
I have three Glocks - the 22, the 21 and the 30. If Glocks are too blocky for your hand, send them to Robar and get the Glock grip reduction. After that, a Glock will actually fit the human hand.:D

I also have a H&K USP45 full size. I have carried all four of these pistols and feel like I am well protected by any one of them. The H&K costs more than a Glock, but a Glock with the grip reduction is in the same ballpark pricewise as the USP45.

If you compare the Glock 21 and the H&K USP45, you are comparing apples and oranges - the actions are totally different. If I had to pick one, I'd probably pick the Glock 21 with the grip reduction over the H&K USP45.

Why?
1: The USP magazines cost nearly TWICE as much as mags for the Glock 21 [[BIG factor]].
2: The Glock mags are 13 rounds vs. 12 for the full size USP.
3: The Glock's trigger pull is consistent - no DA first shot, SA all others.
4: The USP's DA pull is very heavy, although it can be improved by a gunsmith that knows how to work on the USP line of pistols.
5: Glocks are the easiest auto to learn to shoot well in the least amount of time.
6: Glock is the gold standard for reliability.
7: Glocks are much like revolvers in their operation - very straightforward, no external safety, no decocker, etc.
8: At any major gun show, you will most likely find 1 or 2 Glock trained armorers who can do any number of modifications to your Glock while you wait, including installing tritium night sights.

As for the USP45, you can carry it as a DA auto, or carry it in condition one (cocked and locked) like a 1911, avoiding the heavy DA first shot. It is the only auto that gives you both DA and SA options.

IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock or an H&K; it it a matter of preference. Either will serve you well.

Edmond
March 3, 2006, 10:56 PM
Haven't tried the Walther so I can't comment on that. I can comment on the USP and the Glock. They're both wonderful guns and I would trust my life to either. Best thing is to get at least one of each.:D

TheFork
March 4, 2006, 10:08 AM
I love my USP9

Everyone complains about the price. $200 is not going to stop me from getting the pistol that I want, and I intend to keep it for quite a long time. $200 over 7-10 years is NOTHING. I spent $150 on hi-cap mags, I didn't let the cost discourage me on that either.

If everyone didn't buy what they wanted just because of cost, BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus would be out of business. Yeah a Yugo will get you from point A to point B just like a BMW will, but I would rather be driving the BMW.

kennyboy
March 4, 2006, 10:37 AM
The HK is the best. I would choose Glock second. The price is better than a Walter and it just seems like a cut and dry pistol (reliable and accurate). The Walther is last. However, all three guns are excellent choices. It is really a matter of personal preference, but HK is master of domain in the gun world.

Punisher
March 15, 2006, 03:14 AM
37105

37106

USP= Good feel, love the safety/decock, most accurate, ambidextrious mag release.

Glock= One sided mag release difficult for me, accurate, kinda blocky.

P99= Never fired, cant talk.

USP's Rule!

shield20
March 15, 2006, 09:04 AM
Tough call between the HK (P2000) and the Walther. Both feel just right, reliable, good chamber support, plenty accurate, etc. But the HK has a loooong trigger that is...annoying - just too much travel. The Walther QA has a great trigger - short pull, no slop, and it has the great decocker. The P2000 is a real nice size for CCW w/o going into the subcompacts - but side by side the Walther is a better shooter. Glock grip/angle kill them right off the bat, so not even close to the other 2.

SlimeDog
March 15, 2006, 05:19 PM
I have owned both a Glock 19 and a Walther P99(AS). Both were dead nuts reliable, accurate and roughly the same size. I eventually got rid of the P99 and kept the G19 for three reasons:

(1) Like many others, I experienced the dread P99 finger pinch. Probably not an issue on the newer P99s since the trigger guard has been changed. Sure, I could have taken the Dremmel to it, but I'm just not a fan of user mods that kill resale value.

(2) While the AS trigger is wonderful in SA mode, it is very long and heavy in DA mode. Then, to make matters worse for a stupid guy like me, there was also the "other" mode - the DA pull length combined with the SA weight. The old Glock, with its mushy (but consistent) trigger is really simple.

(3) Mags, parts, sights, etc. seem to be much cheaper and more readily available for the Glock.

On the other hand, there are two things I really liked about the P99 - the grip was much more comfortable - though I sometimes wonder whether that's a big deal. I noticed absolutely no difference in how well I shot between the two pistols. In fact, I'm probably a little less awful with the Glock. Second, for a guy with small hands, the mag release on the P99 was really nice - I could drop the mag with my trigger finger without changing my grip.

Heck, both are darned good guns. Can't really go wrong with either. For me, the G19 won by a hair...

-SlimeDog

PS: Take a look at the Sig Pro. While they getted panned by the metal-Sig-purists, they're really nice pistols with great DA/SA triggers.

JAB
March 15, 2006, 05:38 PM
Ive never shot a hk. I got my first handgun a year and a half ago or so, i thought about it for a long time before that, and was obsessed with getting a glock, spent hours online researching etc, then went to a dealer, held one for two minutes and changed my mind, just didnt like the way it felt in my hand. I got a P99 and love it, I dont have tons of experience but ive held/shot a few guns and the p99 is my favorite. sa/da trigger is great.

xsnydx
March 15, 2006, 09:09 PM
I've shot all 3, although my time with a glock and P99 is limited. No matter what Glock I've shot, the trigger guard always seems to pinch me. I like the way the P99 shoots and feels, but don't have the time with it to make a pick between it and my P2000...that and I'm not too sure I like the decocker on the P99. I love my P2000...some people hate the LEM trigger, but I can't get enough of it. I've also never had a single malfunction with it. As for feel, the reason I originally bought the P2000 was the fact that is just fit better than all the others. It's also easy to carry...I'm very happy with my P2000 and every other HK I've ever shot. But, at the same time, to each his own...

harrydog
March 16, 2006, 05:02 PM
I've owned a Glock 19, 17 and 23 and H&K USP9 and USP45 Tactical. They're all good guns but I prefer the H&Ks.
Having said that, I'm going to buy one of the new S&W M&Ps. I think S&W hit a home run with this one.

ezypikns
March 16, 2006, 05:25 PM
Sold the Glock. Just not for me. I do believe they are great firearms though. I'll never sell the USP .40. It just fits me better, and I shoot it better than any semi auto I've owned. Don't know about the Walther.

MTMilitiaman
March 16, 2006, 05:48 PM
Never dealt with the Walter so I'll ignore it. Have a USP 45 Tactical and a Glock 20--looking to sell USP to get another Glock. The USP short strokes on a regular basis, even with ball ammo, doesn't have the promised loaded chamber indicator and actually appears to have a chip in the extractor, and both of the included mags will fail to lock the slide back after the last round at least half the time. What's more is that I paid nearly a grand for it and it came like this out of the box. It also has a much higher bore axis resulting in much increased muzzle flip over the Glock. My Glock is a 10mm and even shooting full power Double Tap loads does not demonstrate the muzzle flip of the HK. This combined with the Glock's far better trigger and shorter trigger reset allow me to stay on target much easier. The Glock's more natural grip angle (for me) allows me to get on target faster, so for me, there is simply no comparrison. The Glock has been more reliable, equally accurate, and cost me half as much as the HK. Glock mags are 20 bucks as opposed to 50, accessories and parts are easy to find and can be installed yourself. Coco could detail a Glock, but trying to do the same to an HK is a certifiable PITA. Having owned both and set them side by side, I can say without a doubt that the Glock's quality is in everything equal to or greater than the HK. I am not opposed to spending good money if you get what you pay for. But in my experience, the increased cost of the HK does not result in a cooresponding increase in quality. IMO, one is better off to get the Glock and spend the money they save over the HK on extra mags and ammo.

litework
March 16, 2006, 10:33 PM
My Glock is a 10mm and even shooting full power Double Tap loads does not demonstrate the muzzle flip of the HK.

My Glock 20 must be defective. My Double Tap cartridges demonstrate a lot of muzzle flip in my G20 and much more so than my HK USP .45F even loaded with fairly hot 230 grain +P Corbon. You using lighter grain bullets or something? I killed some rotten squash with both guns the weekend before last.

MTMilitiaman
March 16, 2006, 11:43 PM
No I've used Double Tap's 180 gr FMJ Match load for practice and their 180 gr Gold Dot load for defense. Now I am loading a 180 gr XTP over 800x.

The muzzle flip is there, but it isn't as uncomfortable to me as the HK. With the Glock it is straight up and back, and just rolls back on target so fast you don't really notice it. Or at least I don't. With the HK, I remember it being a lot more of a torquing motion. I could never fire as fast or as accurate with the HK as I can with the Glock. I use to think the bore axis thing was overrated until I went from an HK to a Glock and then I was like "wow." Even with the Double Taps, the Glock 20 seems far more comfortable and easier to handle than either the HK or the Springfield Armory 1911 my brother loves so much.

Maybe I am remembering the HK as worse than it was. I haven't shot it in a while cause it is no fun doing only malfunction drills...

CoRDCuTTeR
April 15, 2006, 11:50 AM
Before I bought my first gun I went and shot several different makes and models to get a feel for the one I like the most.

The one that stood out the most for me was the Hk. For me it was the overall feel of the gun when I shot it, held it, reloaded it. It just worked for ME. Trust me I tried talking myself out of the Hk line up do to the price but damn in the end my life is not worth saving a few bucks, so I got the Hk because I felt the best with it.

I have never had one malfunction with any of the Hk handguns I own. The ONLY time i have ever seen a problem with any Hk was when other people have been shooting them with NON-HK branded magazine being used. The gun just didn't like cheap knock off mags.

In the end it comes down to what feels solid in a persons hands. Go to a range that rents guns and try them all out. Put the lead down range and think about each gun and you will get the one right for you.

gc70
April 15, 2006, 12:16 PM
I have a P99, my youngest son has a G17, and my oldest son is still trying to decide between a USPc and P2000.

All three are excellent guns and as reliable as the day is long. I doubt that there is any real difference in mechanical accuracy between the three guns, so it boils down to which one feels better in your hand to produce better practical accuracy.

I prefer DA/SA guns, so the Glock falls behind a notch for me. Take-down is a tad more complex on the HK (as though an old 1911 shooter should care). The Walther's trigger is... well, different, but I like it.

Maybe the best answer is to get one of each and enjoy them all.

As far as polymer guns in general, one of my sons has a Sig Pro, which is also outstanding.

modifiedbrowning
April 15, 2006, 04:41 PM
Own a P99, fits the hand, accurate, good price. I would recommend the P99 to anyone looking for a nice pistol. I still have a couple more to buy.

Well, 3 1/2 yrs later I now own 3 P99s and no Glocks or HKs. I still need to buy a P99 compact as well.

skjinx
April 15, 2006, 11:23 PM
I own a Glock 19, H&K USPc 40, and S&W SW99 45.

I like all of the guns, but I'd have to give the H&K the highest rating only because I am most accurate with it. The Glock looks like it's built to outlast the other two though. The SW99 which is the same thing as the Walther P99 also has a decent finish. I'd also say it is better than the Glock as far as accuracy goes. The SW99/P99 uses conventional rifling bore which might allow it to shoot lead bullets if you even care about that. The grip is best on the SW99 - hands down. I personally like all of the above, but I'd definitely pick out the H&K if I had to choose.

The funny part is, I practice with the Glock the most and I still can't seem to shoot as well as the other two pistols for some reason. I think it has to do with the grip angle of the Glock. I keep trying to get myself to shoot the Glock as well as the other two but it's not working. :confused:

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