Self-Defense.. with a bat instead of a gun.


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twoblink
January 20, 2003, 10:28 PM
I went and bought a baseball bat for home protection last night... (as I can't have gun here in Taiwan)

It seems that the problem of home protection is a big one in taiwan, big enough that my bat is not really for baseball use, but for home defense use! It says so on the bat!!

The bat is 27" by 5cm in diameter, very small and light (Aluminum) and it's called a "Self-Defense" bat. It's strictly for homeD use only.

It says:
Aluminum Alloy
Self-defense Bat for family use.

So if "self-defense" is not a problem here in Taiwan as said by the police, why is there a bat specially designed for self-defense??

The bat is pretty good though I have to admit, it's designed to be easily weilded by one hand...

One of the problems that the thief is going to have, I "might" hesitate to use a gun on him, if I did catch him and he tries to run, but I can tell you, I would not hesitate to go Singaporean on him with a baseball bat...

Here little thief, here little thief, Twoblink's got a present for your knees....

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10-Ring
January 20, 2003, 10:34 PM
Good for you! Glad you can do something about this seemingly growing situation. Now, you need to find something to practice on. The use of a bat in self defense is more than just swinging for the bleachers ;)

Triad
January 20, 2003, 10:35 PM
Is it a tactical home defense bat tho?

redneck
January 20, 2003, 10:38 PM
Now bore it out to make a bangstick :D

Airwolf
January 20, 2003, 10:39 PM
Is it a tactical home defense bat tho?

Nothing that a can of Krylon in "tactical black" can't fix. :D

The White Flyer
January 20, 2003, 10:45 PM
Just out of curiosity, what's the crime like there? In Los Angeles, the murder rate is over 2 per day.

Double Naught Spy
January 20, 2003, 10:48 PM
Somehow, I have to figure that the home defense only bat is not specifically designed for home or self defense except for the marketing statement saying so. It does not sound like the bat has any special features to indicate it to be specifically designed for the task or at the exclusion to other tasks.

Items like bats can be very useful tools, but keep in mind that if you are close enough to swing and hit the guy with a bat that you are likely within his hand-to-hand distance as well. The greater your standoff distance to the bad guy, the less likely you are to be injured by him.

So if you can't own a firearm there, would it be legal to own a high pressure high powered air gun that shoots pellets (such as the Talon seen at http://www.webcom.com/airguns/AF_TalonSS.html), crossbow, spear gun, or bow and arrows.

If legal and if you had to deal with a guy at such close range, could you own a 'bang stick' which was designed for use against sharks via a 12 ga. cartridge?

kalibear45
January 20, 2003, 11:10 PM
You oughta rig up a 'tactical' lanyard for it in case the bad guy(s) try to take it away from you. :D

And if you want to be evil, you can bang and bend some rusty nails to the end of it for more 'medieval' factor :evil:

bobw
January 20, 2003, 11:23 PM
Just be careful if you start to hear people refer to it as an "Assault Bat".

notbubba
January 20, 2003, 11:27 PM
I've always thought that an aluminum "T- ball" bat would make a dand good club.

I could never figure out why a little kid would need an aluminum bat for T - ball. They sure ain't swinging for the fence.:p

KMKeller
January 20, 2003, 11:29 PM
My son has an aluminum T-Ball bat... dang thing keeps ending up near my chair for some reason. "Dad, will you PLEASE leave my stuff alone?"

bbrins
January 20, 2003, 11:44 PM
Good ol American Justice, a baseball bat and nails. I've got two bats, one has wood furniture and the other is in tactical black aluminum with rubber grips.:D

Drjones
January 21, 2003, 12:04 AM
Screw the bat!

If I can't have a gun, I'd at least want a good katana or other sword! :D

Skunkabilly
January 21, 2003, 12:38 AM
Is the bat too big for Janie? How about a Maglite for her?
It's not about guns...it's about control.

makdaddy03
January 21, 2003, 12:52 AM
Oh yes, The baseball bat can be very effective. I practice with all kinds of improvised weapons. Have you tried Nunchukas? I think thats the correct spelling.=-) I understand that the chukas have 10X more energy upon impact than a baseball bat.

twoblink
January 21, 2003, 01:27 AM
The bat is in "Tactical" Aluminum color...

It actually _IS_ specifically designed for self-defense. It's VERY easy to swing with one hand, and very light, light enough that my gf can swing it without problems.

Katana? I've got "Tactical cleavers"...

Aikibiker
January 21, 2003, 01:42 AM
It ain't tactical until you attach a lot of useless stuff to it!

When I was in high school my buddy's Mom used to be a bartender at the Last resort, a biker bar in the Daytona area that caters to the 1% community.

One of the things they kept behind the bar was an aluminum bat that had about 6 oz. of powdered lead in the tip. That bat had been used in quite few brawls over the years and I am sure it is still back there waiting for the next unruly customer or undercover cop that stumbles in.

I am not sure how it was made but I would hazard a guess that you could drill a hole at the handle end and drop ground up or melted fishing weights down in your bat and then the dump in something light weight to act as wadding to keep the lead at the tip.

Things to think about.

Personally I think I would prefer a nice claw hammer.

larry_minn
January 21, 2003, 02:52 AM
One thing I have never tried is take a can of oven spray and heat a pin to widen the nozzle. Spray that into burgulars face. (OK I did grab a can of oven spray off shelf at stop and rob when confronted with two road ragers as less lethal before gun. Lucky for both of us they left)

Jim March
January 21, 2003, 03:23 AM
The problem with a bat for self defense is that you have to train 'em. I mean sure, a little fluttering black thing with huge teeth angrily sqeaking at somebody is potentially useful but...

:neener:

twoblink
January 21, 2003, 03:47 AM
I tried to attach a tac-light to it, but the rounded surface made it hard. Also, considering a cocobolo grip for it.. :D

Would that make it more tactical??

Kevlarman
January 21, 2003, 04:54 AM
A knife taped to the end might come in handy.
:D

Betty
January 21, 2003, 12:19 PM
A bat's better than nothing. I'd hate to use it against multiple attackers, though - my baton class really opened my eyes. :eek:

twoblink, I hope you show Janie how to wield it effectively, and where the best points to strike are.

I have a solid fiberglass axe handle that I use as a practice baton. The weight of it really strengthens the wrists. Someone sure wouldn't want to get clobbered with it.

Soap
January 21, 2003, 12:22 PM
Keep knife defense high in your training regime with your new Tactical Bat. That will probably be the most likely weapon that you would encounter.

Don Gwinn
January 21, 2003, 01:28 PM
I really believe an axe handle or something similar is more useful than the average adult baseball bat. However, this smaller aluminum version might be better. Someone (I think it was Thaddeus) at Bladeforums used to talk about all the guys he'd seen get clobbered by unarmed people who simply waited for them to swing a bat and then stepped inside the circle. (Thaddeus was a bouncer for awhile.)

Don't forget that your bat can be jabbed as well as swung, and jabbing may make more sense than swinging at times. And hurry back to the Land of the Free!

Double Naught Spy
January 21, 2003, 02:58 PM
twoblink, I'll bite. What exactly makes it designed to be for home or self defense? If you tell me that it is because you can easily swing it with one hand, I will tell you that you aren't very familiar with baseball bats and there are a lot of them out there that are light enough to do that with.

So what makes it specifically designed?

Mute
January 21, 2003, 04:18 PM
Would that make it more tactical??

Black-T finish over a Hard Chrome base and the words Tactical and Ultimate laser-etched somewhere on the bat. Now that would make it more tactical.

Skunkabilly
January 21, 2003, 09:57 PM
Carbon fiber stocks. No question 'bout it :D

And a tac sling so she can transition to ninja stars. Ahh sooo!!!

Jim March
January 21, 2003, 11:41 PM
Speaking seriously now: yes, when you swing a bat, some fool can step inside your range. But the counter for that is to STEP WHILE SWINGING. Every single swing should happen with footwork, usually back and sideways, sometimes forward and sideways. That'll clobber the SOB as he tries it.

If you miss, fine, at least you're the hell out of the way and can try again.

The other thing is, your first connect or two should be to the legs or back of the knees of the opponent. Slow the sucker down, then clobber him. With an armed criminal assailant, perfection is one shot to the upper calf to buckle him, another to the back of the skull, with footwork rotating to the outside on EACH stroke. You step AWAY FROM his weapon, usually to your right but if he's a southpaw, go the other way. Do it fast, don't hold back, don't show mercy, because wolves run in packs.

There's always one more bad guy that you ain't spotted yet.

Kevlarman
January 22, 2003, 12:25 AM
You can try swinging the bat the other way around. The other end is extrememly lightweight and can be swung around faster, therefore giving you quicker follow up shots. Not to mention that the edge can cause some serious cuts to a fellow. Once you get a couple good hits with the light end, turn it around and clobber 'em properly.

Jim March
January 22, 2003, 01:03 AM
No, your grip strength will suck on the big end.

Grab the small end with BOTH hands "Katana style" and whack low while moving. Once you connect, go high for the finish.

norielX
January 22, 2003, 04:43 AM
It's lighter, swings easier and is more maneuverable than a bat. That said, a fully swung bat is a bear to block! That's why I usually try to have a coat, preferably leather, with me as it can be thrown into the bat to take a bit of speed off the swing. (After typing that, I just realized how ridiculous that may sound/read)

I don't know how the knife laws are there, but it'd be something good to have in case the intruder tries to grapple the bat from you. The Cold Steel battle hammer comes to mind as one of my favorite impact weapons. Plus, you've got that spike that can penetrate many forms of armor. Talk about getting medieval!

If you really like bats, you should also consider those Native American gun stock clubs, a la "Last of the Mohicans."

That reminds me, I should put in my order for a La Gana Vietnam Tomahawk...;)

Drjones
January 22, 2003, 04:52 AM
How 'bout this: http://www.albionarmorers.com/swords/deltin/dt5154.htm

:D :D :D

Just ordered mine yesterday!!!

You can do some SERIOUS damage with that!!! :what:

twoblink
January 22, 2003, 10:03 AM
D.N.S,

The reason that the "tactical self defense bat" is better is because it's balanced for specifically quick swings, and the balance is very high, for use with a "choke grip" on it, instead of a traditional baseball bat grip. It's light, and the front end is fairly light as well, so you don't need a lot of wrist strength to wield it..

The bat is light enough to swing back and forth, and as the arc made is smaller, it's much harder to "step into the arc circle" after I swing, as the return swing is very very quick. Also, I can swing it easily with one hand, which will probably be the case in some situations.

It's well designed for the specific purpose of self-defense.

The Aluminum Alloy is very very hard, harder that most body parts, I assure you, and while it doesn't have the weight of most baseball bats, I have to believe that if I swing it, it will be a B** to block.

Joe Demko
January 23, 2003, 01:06 PM
Get yourself one of these. (http://www.tadgear.com/edged%20tools/estwing_rock_hammers.htm) The Estwing rock hammer is one of the primo close combat weapons available. You can deliver a crushing blow with the hammer face or completely pierce a skull or sternum with the pick. If you want to dedicate it completely to self-defense, you take a file and sharpen up the exposed steel part of the shaft. That has a nifty way of causing an opponent who grabs it to immediately let go again. They can also be used for more mundane pursuits, of course.

Nightcrawler
January 23, 2003, 04:44 PM
I keep a short aluminum t-ball bat here in the dorm room in case I need a weapon for something. *shrug* It's certainly better than nothing, and I know some good places to hit people. :)

twoblink
January 25, 2003, 06:33 AM
The rock hammer pick is awesome! Definitely on the list for consideration.

I don't care what I use, bare hands if need be, but if I do catch the thief, he will not have all his limbs intact, that much I can promise. Having learned a little bit of submission wrestling, I can break a few bones..

As far as death for the guy if I catch him; no way, not going to kill the guy unless he forces me to. I need him to SUFFER, and I need him to go around, in his wheelchair, telling little kids not to steal, or else they might end up with broken legs and arms, and remain in a wheelchair forever... I need him to be great advertisement for why not to steal..

Kevlarman
January 25, 2003, 07:41 AM
After you're done with him, he better make sure the next place he robs has a ramp! :D

norielX
January 25, 2003, 07:29 PM
I was at a local Target store and noticed they were clearing out some bats. I ended up getting a couple of 25" t-ball bats. These things swing pretty well, and are especially quick when I choke up to the very top of the grip. choking up that high, one can swing the bat one-handed. I'd feel comfortable if this were my only weapon.

Baba Louie
January 26, 2003, 08:38 AM
Twoblink,

Following your situation, hope all goes well.

Take a look at Fairbairn's stick fighting on Don Rearic's page (actually the link is to gutterfighting site linked to Rearic's site)

http://www.gutterfighting.org/fstick.html

He also has some words about cane fighting, sjamboks, etc.

Stay safe.

Adios

Ullr
January 26, 2003, 10:21 AM
Sounds like a "fish-whomper" to me. :) A friend in California keeps one in his truck. Small enough to wield effectively, even in the cab. If questioned by a police officer: "oh, I've been looking for that since my last trip to the lake!"

You crack somebody with an aluminum bat, and it'll go "whomp!" that's for sure! :p

PerfectGlock
January 27, 2003, 04:02 PM
Wow, this thread is a real eye-opener and a crack-up at the same time.

May I suggest the Sjambok? It's like a "whipping rod". I am considering getting one of these buggers myself. It must be terrible not being able to own guns.

I know Cold Steel Makes a synthetic Sjambok, here is their website:

http://www.coldsteel.com/sjambok.html

Since I'm also a GlockTalker, I am required to suggest the use of A-Grip on your TacBat.

You should also try to mount a Knight's Armament RAS so you can attach forward pistol grips, lasers, flashlights, and a door-breaching shotgun on your bat:p

Drjones
January 27, 2003, 04:20 PM
This thing just scares the crap out of me: http://www.coldsteel.com/torpedo.html

And the thought of getting hit or stabbed with one reeeeally freaks me out! :what:

Baba Louie
January 27, 2003, 09:16 PM
A sjambok did you say?

http://www.donrearic.com/mightysjambok.html

An interesting read

Adios

twoblink
January 27, 2003, 09:37 PM
OK, you all have reinforced what I already knew, you all with your weapons suggestions are scary; you are all freaks!!! That's why I love you all :D :evil:

The torpedo is awesome!! I went to the "self-defense" store two days ago, and am thinking of buying a whipout baton. The torpedo is scary though, but that means I can hit the guy to almost 20 yards out... And I can only imagine what kind of hole it will leave... Gives the whole 9mm vs. 45 debate a whole new look...

Sjambok, awesome awesome weapon. I say a "demonstration" with it before... One of the rodeo women used one.. Split a banana clean in two, like a knife cut. Did the cigarette trick etc... Of course, she then did all the same tricks with a 30' whip, but that's a different story altogether..

Time to take another visit to the self-defense store...

HS/LD
January 27, 2003, 09:37 PM
Can anyone say machete!

HS/LD

twoblink
January 28, 2003, 03:29 AM
my gf's brother, he's got 2 machete's under the bed..!!

It's already on my "to buy" list..

Kahr carrier
January 29, 2003, 08:10 AM
What about a double bladed axe.:)

norielX
January 29, 2003, 11:51 PM
Thanks, guys, after buying a t-ball bat, now I have to go to cold-steel to get a Sjambok! Great...just great...:cuss:

twoblink
January 30, 2003, 12:41 AM
The laws after the new year here in Taiwan is that blades of ANY length is ok, as long as they are bladed only on one side. The exception is the butterfly knife, which still remains illegal.

So I'd get a single headed axe instead of a double; that way I can carry it around with me daily ;)

Gf wants a Sjambok badly now... :eek: :what:

Crimper-D
January 30, 2003, 12:47 AM
Bats, Shelelieghs (sp), Batons, just plain old Sticks - all are good for Self- Defense against edged weapon assaults. There's one thing I'm surprised no one has mentioned = Canes!
Check this site out: www.canemasters.com
One of the few self-defense weapons I know of that you can get a Dr's prescription to pack;) :D

Jedi_7.62
February 2, 2003, 08:40 PM
The best part of bats is if you get pulled over the police ask very few questions about a bat in the trunk if you have a glove and ball accompanying it.

When I was in college and firearms were not allowed on campus I kept a short aluminum bat in my room for "emergencies" I think this might be what some are calling a T ball bat. Excellent weapon next to a gun or sword probably my favorite weapon.

Fast and deadly...If I were faced with a knife and no gun I would chose a full size aluminum bat...Make sure and maintain balance or you could be easily disarmed after a full thrown swing.

1. disarm assailant (arm or hand holding weapon)
2. Imobilise assailant (Knees go for the knees sweet pain)
3. destroy assailant (headshot at your disacretion)


Just my 2 cents. I miss TFL never posted but visited a lot. Will miss greatly.

rage
February 2, 2003, 09:10 PM
I carry a short "wombat", aluminum t-ball, head heavy, bat, in my jeep. If you know any martial arts, it can be used in numerous ways as a weapon, short of the home run swing. ;) A pair of 3" blade loppers serve as backup. At night of course they are carried with a maglite in a modified Harries. ;)

Seriously, all of my inner city friends carry at least a small bat, baton or hammer in a get to quick area for self defense.

Knives and guns are another question.:)

V-fib
February 3, 2003, 02:01 AM
Have you ever seen a tire checker? They are about 20 or so inches long made of wood in the shape of a bat. There is a piece of metal about 2 inches wide surrounding the end. On the handle side there is a rope that you can put around your wrist. They are used by truckers to tap their tires and listen for lower pitch in a tire, which would indicate a low tire. Pretty handy when you have 18 or more tires to check.

Now I used to carry one in my pickup since I believed they were legal for anyone. I was at the State Police many years ago cuz a deer ran into my truck door and I had to have a report from the police for my insurance. The officer was checking for hair on the door and when he opened it there was my tire checker lying on the floor of my truck. “What’s this?” the officer said smiling. “Oh that’s a tire checker I use it to check the air pressure in my tires.” “Yeah right.” says the officer. “I don’t want to see this in your vehicle again.” So now I have a large broken crescent wrench lying on the floor
:D

twoblink
February 10, 2003, 02:18 AM
I swear that my eyes have been opened and reopened by this thread..

It seems however, anything (in the right hands) is a good weapon...

I'm surprised however, the favored two weapons of my era (the bugs bunny/tom and jerry era) have not been mentioned!

#1 ~ Anvils
#2 ~ Banana peels!!!

:D :p

DT Guy
February 23, 2003, 01:30 AM
A lightweight bat can allow you to control a fairly wide swath of your homestead. Things you might want to practice:

1-Keeping the bat 'in play'---it's the downtime between movements that will make you vulnerable. You should train to keep the weapon moving constantly.
2-Learn the 'points' as well as the usual striking surfaces. Close up, it's hard to swing a bat, but the points can be used for impact, range control and pain compliance.
3-Identify the areas of your home that will give an advantage to your impact weapon and a disadvantage to anything else. You'd rather confront an attacker in the middle of a room, while a knife-wielding attacker would rather meet you in a hallway or a doorway.

Good luck,
Larry

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