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andrewstorm
March 21, 2010, 11:32 PM
Madison heights michigan,a 38 yr old man told police,he accidently activated and detonated a grenade at 2900 edward ave. at 6:45 pm march 7,as he cleaned out his garage he happened upon: a live grenade the pin fell out and his neighbor a military expert,recogignized the live grenade,and threw it into the backyard of the 2900 block of tawas st. destroying 2 square ft of vinyl fence.police are investigating, yeah that would be my story,and id stick to it:D

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Leafy Cronmer
March 21, 2010, 11:49 PM
I hate when those damn pins fall out of my grenades.

kingpin008
March 21, 2010, 11:51 PM
Link please.

glocktoys
March 22, 2010, 12:39 AM
oops did i do that????

armoredman
March 22, 2010, 01:07 AM
E.Gad.

maroast
March 22, 2010, 03:40 AM
Don't laugh, the cat tripped a claymore I had accidentally left in the backyard once.....

Geno
March 22, 2010, 07:35 AM
Link: http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2010/03/08/news/doc4b954ebd8fc4b929669107.txt

Geno

By Michael P. McConnell, Daily Tribune Staff Writer

MADISON HEIGHTS -- A phosphorous grenade detonated and burned a 15-inch hole in a privacy fence after a man found the device in his garage and the pin fell out, police said.

"We're fortunate it was a phosphorous grenade, which produces flame and smoke, and not an explosive grenade," said Madison Height police Lt. Robert Anderson.

The man, 38, was cleaning his garage Sunday evening in the 29000 block of Edward near 12 Mile between John R and Dequindre when he found the grenade.

"He picked up the grenade and when he did the pin fell out," Anderson said. "He looked at the bottom and it wasn't hollowed out so he knew it wasn't a dummy."

The man took the grenade to another man, 52, who was visiting a friend next door and had military experience, police said.

The other man told him the grenade appeared to be from World War II and that there was nothing that could be done once the pin was out.

"The other man then took the grenade and threw it into the backyard of the neighbor behind him and it went off," Anderson said.

Police went to the scene but said there was no evidence left for them to look at to determine the make or model of the grenade.

"Our advice when anyone finds anything that remotely looks like an explosive to evacuate the area and call police," he said.

The owner of the fence that was burned is working with the man who threw the grenade to have the fence repaired, police said.

Contact Michael P. McConnell at mike.mcconnell@dailytribune.com or at (586) 783-0269.

rattletrap1970
March 22, 2010, 08:17 AM
Umm, what kind of wingnut couldn't figure out putting the pin back in? Obviously he knew enough not to let go of the thing so he had SOME knowledge of how it worked.

PT1911
March 22, 2010, 08:21 AM
so a live grenade from wwII detonated and destroyed 2 FEET OF FENCE!!!!!... Now that is a powerful grenade!

fineredmist
March 22, 2010, 08:52 AM
No matter how hard you try you can't fix stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ultradoc
March 22, 2010, 08:55 AM
wish I had one [or two]

Carl N. Brown
March 22, 2010, 09:24 AM
The local police get some weird explosive ordnance disposal calls, sometimes its just a ammo can of surplus conventional ammo, or a fired practice grenade or practice bazooka rocket (inert surplus), or one of the dummy inert grenades sold as curios at army/navy surplus stores. Some guys think it is cool to sneak a live one out when they leave the service; that creates problems for their heirs and the EOD people.

The one that made the papers was a half-case of dynamite found abandoned underneath a trailer (it had been out all winter).

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Personally if I had the safety spoon down on a grenade and the safety pin fell out, I would feel better finding a paper clip or cotter pin or the safety pin and putting it back, then calling the police bomb squad EOD, than tossing it at the neighbor's fence. WP is nasty stuff if the smoke is inhaled.

CoRoMo
March 22, 2010, 09:30 AM
It only burned up a couple feet of fence? May have been a #76 incendiary then. If it had been an Mk2, the story would be much different.

Mandolin
March 22, 2010, 09:55 AM
Personally if I had the safety spoon down on a grenade and the safety pin fell out, I would feel better finding a paper clip or cotter pin or the safety pin and putting it back, then calling the police bomb squad EOD, than tossing it at the neighbor's fence. WP is nasty stuff if the smoke is inhaled.

Come on, REAL men would use duct tape! :)

Carl N. Brown
March 22, 2010, 10:08 AM
Only if it is 200 mph NASCAR duct tape in RealTree camo. :)

Crazy Carl
March 22, 2010, 10:37 AM
Odd, I recall those grenade pins always took a firm & concerted pull while I wore a green suit.

"Pin fell out" sounds like BS to me.

Ben86
March 22, 2010, 11:23 AM
Gomer Pyle strikes again!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/Pandabonium/slide/GomerPyle.jpg

shockwave
March 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
Don't you just hate it when the neighbors toss incendiary phosphorous grenades into your backyard?

medalguy
March 22, 2010, 11:35 AM
He didn't even have to use his teeth to pull the pin. Imagine that!

hso
March 22, 2010, 12:43 PM
Why the neighbor's yard?

Mp7
March 22, 2010, 12:58 PM
..jees. Glad only a fence was hurt.

Even Homer Simpson would have figured ( after some hours of thought)
to put the pin back in.
or: "Hey Flanders, catch and pray!"

:)

Sniper X
March 22, 2010, 01:36 PM
Add it to the list of lame excuses:

The gun just went off.

I lost control of the car.

The pin FELL out of the grenade.


Uh huh, right.

Sniper X
March 22, 2010, 01:37 PM
HSO, the neighbors yard because he didn't want it to burn up his OWN yard! HAHAHA! At least he was that smart!

dogrunner
March 22, 2010, 04:29 PM
Tell us more about the cat and the claymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 22, 2010, 05:00 PM
Because they're all designed so that the pins just fall out due to gravity...... damned junky ACME brand grenades!

627PCFan
March 22, 2010, 05:30 PM
Walk up to me with a live grenade and no pin in it and see what happens.

Ben86
March 22, 2010, 06:06 PM
I would run very quickly in the opposite direction and hope the guy just stands there holding the grenade.

zoom6zoom
March 22, 2010, 06:53 PM
damned junky ACME brand grenades!
There was nothing wrong with any of that ACME stuff... damn coyote just wouldn't RTFM.

Ditch-Tiger
March 22, 2010, 10:25 PM
Did anybody catch this reply in the comments section? This type of ignorance is sad...

" What is with these people? Who the hell keeps grenades in their garages? Then when the pin falls out, they continue to hold on to the thing and take it to someone else? What did they need a grenade for in the first place? Scare the census workers? Things like this make me cringe at the 2nd amendment. Some folks should not have weapons.. "

USAFRetired
March 22, 2010, 11:13 PM
Did he at least holler "WILLY PEET!" or "FIRE IN THE HOLE!" ?

Ian
March 22, 2010, 11:16 PM
If it really was a WWII vintage grenade, the pin may have corroded to the point that bumping it into something broke it and released the spoon.

Or maybe it was just a smoke grenade.

paintballdude902
March 22, 2010, 11:38 PM
The local police get some weird explosive ordnance disposal calls,

especially if you live in a historic area. atleast once a year they call out the EOD team from the marine corps base to dispose of a civil war artifact. we had a few battles around here and there is a ton of unexploded ordnance in the ground. i know several people who have found cannon food. I myself found a big one in a back field with the use of a disk plow....:what: that was scary once i figured out what it was. they came out loaded it into a cone shaped trailer and moved it to a large section of field and set it off with C4. awesome sight but they made us stay atleast 1000yds away

Mp7
March 23, 2010, 08:49 AM
Just found out there´s a WW2 bomb .. most likely between
250 and 1.000 pounds .. in front of the block i live in.

They built over it after war .. and now that ground
is being built on again. Once the remove the old
concrete base ... EOD will come.

i believe it was discovered on aerial photos
our nowadays american allies recently disclosed.

22lr
March 23, 2010, 11:40 AM
And that boys and girls is why only we are professional enough to handle explosives........:rolleyes:

RONSERESURPLUS
March 23, 2010, 11:48 AM
Yes, Yes, I so agree, We need only to Trust the EOD and GOV types to handle explosives? It's not any of us EX Military People could figure that complicated stuff out? Why Sure, the same folks that Lose Trunks full of MP-5's, Lap tops with all sorts of Personal information (NOT THIER OWN and MANT IMES CLASSIFIED), Yea, I sure trust them more than I do myself on all that pesky EXPLOSIVES stuff that after 24 years I never could Figure out? LOL Please! I think after handling all the ordinance most of us did, including Torpedo's Mine and the occasinal weapon we can't talk about, we are far better off Trusting our own Abilities than the Bully Boys who don't seem to understand who they work for any longer?

RON



RON

GRIZ22
March 23, 2010, 03:14 PM
I doubt it was a phosphorus grenade as the blast radius of a WP grenade is about as far as you can throw it.

Carl N. Brown
March 23, 2010, 03:14 PM
He didn't even have to use his teeth to pull the pin.

LOL. I have a fired practice grenade (inert curio & ornament per ATF.org FAQ) with the typical spoon/safety pin setup, and pulling the pin with your teeth is pure Hollywood.


ADD: the burn damage to the fence sounds like what I would expect from a smoke grenade. From how my dad described white phosphorus grenades, the damage would have been much more than a two foot section of fence.

paintballdude902
March 23, 2010, 07:29 PM
my cousin lives less than a mile from where this happened so i asked him

it was a phosphorous grenade, all it did was burned a 15 inch hole in a privacy fence. the guy didn't even throw it in his own yard he threw it in someone elses

so he doesnt know much more than we do

RyanM
March 23, 2010, 08:49 PM
Pins can fall out, if the end has been straightened and re-bent a few times. A number of people died in Vietnam from their own grenades, because they'd set them out, straighten the pin so they'd be easier to pull if necessary, then re-bend them back the next morning. If a grenade went long enough without being thrown and was bent and re-bent enough times, metal fatigue would set in and the end would break off, and that could and did cause them to "just fall out" in the middle of the night, usually with lethal consequences for the guy what did the bending, and everyone near him.

Wouldn't surprise me if people did that during WWII, too.

ol' scratch
March 23, 2010, 09:27 PM
I use to have a grenade as a gear shift handle. It was milsurp de-activated. I had a friend ask me once, "How do you know it is not active?" I replied, "Because of the hole in the bottom." Just for good measure (stupid me) I pulled the pin. The release catch was under tension and sent the catch flying back and hitting the rear window. The grenade started to smoke. We BOTH jumped out of the cab of the truck and hit the dirt. Fortunately, it was just the fuse.

A few weeks later, I was pulled over. Two officers one on both sides of the truck kept shining the flashlight on my gear shifter. The one officer couldn't help himself and finally asked me, "Is that live?" I responded, "No, it is de-activated." He then asked, "Are you sure?" I responded, "Trust me." Final response was that he thought is was pretty cool. I still got a ticket, but I deserved it. I still have the grenade, the truck is long gone...

Ohio Gun Guy
March 23, 2010, 09:35 PM
MP7 - Whats known is just likely a fraction of whats lying around.

hirundo82
March 25, 2010, 10:20 PM
So that's where the Mexican drug cartels are getting their grenades--from a garage in Michigan. The media knew it had to be America's fault somehow.

anewconvert
March 27, 2010, 03:45 AM
Sounds like he found the grenade, PULLED the pin and let go of the spoon, and then realizes its live and tosses it. Popo shows up and he didn't want to admit he had pulled a pin on a live grenade and said it "fell out", to which popo remembers that Rambo can pull the pin with his teeth and said, OK.

BC

61chalk
March 27, 2010, 08:23 AM
Hey dude, look what I got. Lets throw in the nieghbors yard an see
what it does.....oooops...Hey dude, we need to come up with a story.

paducahrider
March 27, 2010, 10:52 AM
Howdy.
Heard of a guy, in the town where I live, who's father was on his deathbed and told another old veteran that there was a live 40MM AA round in his workshop.
The old vet told the sick guy's son, who, after his father's death, went through every square inch of the workshop (and basement, garage and everywhere else), looking for it.
He never found it, and could only surmise that his father was a bit delusional.
He said he sure tiptoed around that workshop for a couple of months though.
I can't believe that a vet wouldn't know how to stick the pin back in that grenade either.
Thanks for your time.

mgregg85
April 1, 2010, 12:51 AM
Heh, I love it... When in doubt, throw it in your neighbor's yard.

stonecutter2
April 1, 2010, 04:17 PM
A next door neighbor of my friend had a practice grenade in his garage. We were setting off fireworks in the street on the 4th of July, and he said, "You wanna see something cool?" So he went into his garage and got his practice grenade (I don't remember the exact circumstances of he explained that he had one), and made us all get really far away. Then he pulled the "pin"...which was more like a string, and which somehow flared up and caught his shirt on fire a little? That startled him a bit, and he tossed the grenade out into the street.

It sat there and smoked, and then stopped smoking...and just sat there. We all thought it very anti-climactic, and it was a dud. We stood there for awhile. The guy took literally a 1/2 step toward it and then BOOOOM!!!!!! That hurt my ears pretty good. Thank God he didn't walk closer to it. We all cheered wildly though, because it really was a heckuva explosion.

My friends parents came out and said, "What are you guys blowing off out here?! Cherry bombs?!" And the neighbor started cracking up...he admitted it was his idea, and he didn't know if it was going to go off or not.

He was pretty ticked that his shirt got burned. My friends' parents were pretty ticked off that the cops were probably going to show up...we all moved inside for awhile.

Maverick223
April 3, 2010, 12:28 AM
You guys assume too much...perhaps there was only 2ft² of fence. :D

Just for good measure (stupid me) I pulled the pin. [...] The grenade started to smoke. [...] Fortunately, it was just the fuse.
Do most de-activated grenades still have active fuses. If so I am sure glad I didn't know that when I was younger. ;)

JustinL
April 3, 2010, 02:40 AM
I agree with the BS aspect to the story. From what I have been told (I am an airman) the grenade's fuse can be activated as soon as the pin is removed even though the spoon is in place. Am told that it can often sense the subtle movement of the spoon after the pin is out and start the 'count down' even though the spoon is still in place. Of course, I could be wrong.

Sav .250
April 3, 2010, 06:50 AM
Pin just fell out............I`m thinking it was a Chinese product. :)

rocky branch
April 3, 2010, 08:01 AM
Fuze cannot be activated without the spoon flying off-propelled by the striker which ignites the fuse with a firing pin-to primer like action.

I doubt it was a Willey-Pete grenade unless it was a big area.

You can throw them beyond their burst radius, but they are heavy.

Sounds like some old trip flare or similar.

The real stuff is out there-waiting-

Be careful of any unknown ordnance you encounter.

I trained people in genade use sometimes.

You got to be alert-panic and mishandling can set in at the most inopportune ties.

I used to disarm grenades and the occaisional booby trap in my misspent youth on the Cambodian Border. Had quite a collection at one time.

I don't mess with that stuff now.

gofastman
April 15, 2010, 02:08 PM
"We're fortunate it was a phosphorous grenade" I will bet thats the only time that statement has been uttered. :eek:

zoom6zoom
April 15, 2010, 03:35 PM
http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Bomb-Tech-58.jpg

APIT50
April 15, 2010, 10:41 PM
+1 ... the fuse cannot be activated unless the spoon is released. this is a very important safety feature on grenades as we are taught how to cook them whereby you release the spoon and then begin counting. Kinda think of it though...an M67 fragmentation grenade has a 3-5 second fuse and I was taught by my DI to cook it for 3 seconds. HMMMMM

One-Time
April 15, 2010, 11:02 PM
Ive never seen a pin 'fall out' of a grenade

rocky branch
April 15, 2010, 11:42 PM
Spend enough time around GIs in a combat zone who are loaded with related gear and you will have enough stories for a lifetime.

Not all of us were geniuses.
Being a leader is observing your people, but sometimes you can miss things.

I saw the aftermath of a grenade that detonated in a crowded cattle truck at Bien Hoa.
Who know why?

I spent a week in ICU at 3rd field hospital, Saigon.
There were 4 or 5 guys around me wrapped from head to toe.
It was a grenade incident of somekind-one died, the rest were blinded and had multiple injuries and screamed a lot.
They were still trying to stabilise them when I left.

wideym
April 16, 2010, 12:04 AM
You would be amazed at what can happen when you mix grenades and idiots. One of the companies in my battalion was going through a livefire excersie at the MPRC at Ft.Campbell during the late 90's.

They wanted to make sure they accounted for all thier frag grenades so they 550'ed the pin rings to thier LBV (so they wouldn't lose the rings which had to be turned in).

After the excersie, they had one grenade unaccounted for even though they had the pin. Turns out the grenade fell out of the joes pouch, pulling the pin out that is still attached to the 550 cord. The frag still had the safety clip attached so it didn't go off, but while the company was on line walking through the range policing up everything and looking for the grenade, one of the 2LT PLs steps on it knocking off the safety clip. The explosion killed the LT and lightly wounded 2 other troops.

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