Most quiet 9mm suppressor?


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FIVETWOSEVEN
May 13, 2010, 09:32 PM
What is the most quiet suppressor for a 9mm? I do know that there will still be the supersonic crack.

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btg3
May 13, 2010, 10:04 PM
If least dB is your objective, I'm thinking both subsonic ammo and wet suppressor, but would like to hear what the gurus have to say.

jmorris
May 13, 2010, 11:21 PM
A subsonic 147g out of an integral suppressed carbine will be the "most quite".

Ironman
May 14, 2010, 10:26 AM
Right now there are two tech breaking 9mm cans out there...

The Silencerco Osprey and the AAC TiRant, when shot dry with 147grn/158grn subsonic they are as quiet as a suppressed P22. Shot wet with the same ammo they are amazing.

They both have a very plesant tone, I chose the 9mm Osprey as my host was a USP9SD and it fit the bill for looks and the price I got on it.

Links...

TiRant-
http://www.advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=640

Osprey-
http://www.silencerco.com/Silencerco/#/9Osprey_Specs/

TiRant video-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsYf11Hgqkk

Osprey video-
http://vimeo.com/10515210

And last but not least, a review of my Osprey/HK from my dealer-
http://www.onpointsupply.com/cart.php?page=silencerco_osprey_9

1KPerDay
May 14, 2010, 12:59 PM
cool vids.

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 14, 2010, 06:10 PM
Sweet, thanks for the info.

Conqueror
May 14, 2010, 10:40 PM
Agreed. If I was buying a 9mm suppressor, these would be my choices (in this order): AAC Ti-Rant, SilencerCo Osprey, Gemtech Multimount, SWR Trident, AAC Evolution 9.

springwalk
May 15, 2010, 01:52 AM
osprey sounds a little quieter and much shorter than tirant, also its nice not having to get high sights to see over typical cylinder cans

btg3
May 15, 2010, 06:21 AM
springwalk -- THREE excellent points !

Semmerling
May 18, 2010, 04:03 PM
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AWC Abraxis or Jupitor's Eye, for folks that think 9" is ridiculous for any can. We have all already been that route a long, long time ago. The off axis barrel arrangement has real heat dissipation issues and has since Hiram first speced it out 70 years ago. You don't need slab sided water troughs to get below your sights. Frequency shifting technology is what matters, not huge internal volume cans.

Abraxis is a wet can, fully titanium and weighs less than 4 ozs. It is so well designed it requires no Neilson device and has more unit sold to the U.S. services than any other make or model.

The Jupiter's Eye is a dry can and performs flawlessly wet or dry and can take full auto fire.

http://www.awcsystech.com/awc_catalog.pdf go to pages 9 and 10

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt319/1M_GHOST/FINALAWCWALTHERDESKTOPSS.jpg

Conqueror
May 19, 2010, 10:14 AM
Wow, do you even have much experience with silencers?

Frequency shifting technology is what matters
If by that you mean phase shifting, it is a load of BS. Gunshots produce broadband noise, not pure tones, so even if you could manage to phase cancel some of the frequencies, you would still have a lot left over. If you truly just mean changing the overall tone of the shot, virtually every silencer does that.

Abraxis is a wet can, fully titanium and weighs less than 4 ozs. It is so well designed it requires no Neilson device
LOL I can think of dozens of posts in the past of people having cycling trouble with an Abraxas. Hell, there's one on SilencerTalk just in the past week. It won't even cycle a guy's Glock 19, much less his 26.

Your post reads like an ad for AWC. I suppose next you'll support their claim that the Thundertrap eliminates the sonic crack? :)

Ironman
May 19, 2010, 05:44 PM
LOL

Your way behind the curve.

The Jupiter Eye is an epic FAIL, I wouldnt use it as a wheel chock, as it would most likely fail that job as well.

And the Abraxis is old tech, AWC hasnt come out with anything new in years. They are WAY behind the curve, hell a AWC archangel T was my 1st can, and it just sits in my safe.

Semmerling
May 19, 2010, 08:20 PM
Frequency shifting is now employed by every can that is worth buying, leaving behind the massive volume cans. Not phase cancellation, wave impulse shift based on gas jet redirection into tonal phased chambers.

Cycling problems with the Abraxas? Perfect another example of not having a clue. The Abraxas is the most successful 9mm can ever sold to U.S. forces. Why? Because when mated with a proper barrel (no you can't use junk barrels) and properly tuned, it performs flawlessly. Cut back a Glock barrel? Nope. Improper tuning? Nope. One showing up on SilencerTalk, perfect add it to the extraordinary list of crap on ST. Wonderboy wouldn't know a properly balanced system if he tripped over one, if he did he wouldn't have stated that "no Glock 26 can be suppressed." If you think for one moment that all the Air Force contracts, all the Army contracts, etc. were delivered and "Epic Failed," you would be wrong.

Sonic Crack and Blast Cans? Read and learn something. AWC never suggested anything that friggin stupid. Post it if you got it, if not STFU.

http://www.awcsystech.com/about/suppressor-information/

Nothing new in years, eh? The last two .338 solicitations were just granted. Guess who got them both? Yea, you got it....AWC. And they didn't have to give them away for a tattoo.

Jupiter Eye as Epic Fail, ridiculous, let me guess slab sided Hiram asymmetrical cans 9" long and sporting vast internal volume to trough water more your style eh? Perfect, what was abandoned 15 years ago roars back for the uninformed.

AWC is on its 6th Abraxas variant (already the worlds most popular 9mm). Your Archangel sits in your safe, great I've got Sionics that did the same thing long before your Archangel was first designed.

The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.

Latest Gen fielded new Ti .50 Turbodyne....nothing new eh? Clueless.

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt319/1M_GHOST/clean50.jpg

Ironman
May 19, 2010, 09:05 PM
Their "new" designs are not ground breaking. I see you drink the AWC koolaid so its not worth the time to prove you wrong. I own cans from all different manufactuers and the AWC is the least exciting one.

I still cannot believe you defend the jupiter eye, haha. Ill go head to head dry or wet with my silencerco osprey any time. The jupiter eye sounds like a damn gunshot.

Semmerling
May 19, 2010, 09:29 PM
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Perfect........that silencer is an old design (close to 100 years) it is HUGE.

Read here, this is your miracle off axis ala 100 years ago, look familiar? And you are worried about new? as you would say haha.

http://www.usfirearms.com/cat/maxim.asp

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Perfect........that silencer is an old design (close to 100 years) it is HUGE.

Read here, this is your miracle off axis ala 100 years ago, look familiar? And you are worried about new? as you would say haha.

http://www.usfirearms.com/cat/maxim.asp

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt319/1M_GHOST/DrShush_Guns.jpg

When BIG is what you need, it gets NO bigger. 100% Aluminum internals too.

http://www.politesocietyinc.com/pics/shoots/2009Silencer/joshOsprey%20%28Medium%29.jpg


When BIG is what you need, it gets NO bigger. 100% Aluminum internals too.

http://www.politesocietyinc.com/pics/shoots/2009Silencer/joshOsprey%20%28Medium%29.jpg









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SharpsDressedMan
May 19, 2010, 10:34 PM
Just goes to show that maybe Maxim got it right the first time. I have heard an original Maxim .22 can, and it is amazingly quiet. As far as AWC, I bought a first Gen Nexus, with a barrel from AWC. After a couple years, and maybe only 500-600 rounds, the barrel threading snapped off, laying the suppressor at my feet. Fortunately, the can was not damaged. AWC seemed to care less, and said "That happens." No offer to rectify or share the expense of a pro-rated barrel. I attributed it to the weight of the steel Nexus (maybe aluminum is not that bad of an idea?), the torque of the .45 1911 in recoil, and the potentially fragile area of a threaded barrel with a .451 bore and .578 exterior diameter...not much steel to support a pound "plus" suppressor. I'll take a look at lighter suppressors for my 1911..........

springwalk
May 20, 2010, 12:01 AM
Maxim was ahead of his time and still today compared to some units out there. Most all .45 cans today(wet cans), aside from Osprey and Tirant, arent any quieter than his old unit. As for the size of the Osprey, its not a problem to me as long as its safe hearing dry and does not exceed the length of the slide of my Sig P22o Combat. Which is 8.25" and my Osprey 45 is 8". As for the Tirant its a bit too long for me, almost 9". I dont know too much about AWC other than some history with Gemtech and that AWC cans are way over priced last I looked, for seemingly marginal performance. I read many folks on the aacfanboysite.com say AWC cans are way behind in technology. Not sure if thats true? The Osprey is really impressive. Dont take my word for it. Experience it along side any other .45 can!

Ironman
May 20, 2010, 08:49 AM
Haha, the only thing Maxims can and Silencercos have in common is that they are an eccentric design. Did you actually think I didn't know who Hiram Maxim is? Silencerco went through over 100 baffle designs on the Osprey. Not to mention the can actually tapers from bottom to top and its a octogonal box. Hell the cam lock system is ingeneious and not overly expensive to manufactuer, and it was the key that was holding back AAC's blackbox.

You keep drinking the AWC expired koolaid and ill stick to whats proven and quiet. Thanks

Conqueror
May 20, 2010, 08:57 AM
Sonic Crack and Blast Cans? Read and learn something. AWC never suggested anything that friggin stupid. Post it if you got it, if not STFU.

Direct copy and paste from their website, right now:

The actual gas exit delay time is nothing short of fantastic making observers unsure about hearing any supersonic projectile flight signature (sonic crack).

Their old Turbodyne ads that they used to run in magazines also advertised that there was no sonic crack. I have shot multiple AWC rifle silencers, the sonic crack is obvious. Although it was a little hard to hear over the loud report, since they weren't really very quiet either.

Cycling problems with the Abraxas? Perfect another example of not having a clue. The Abraxas is the most successful 9mm can ever sold to U.S. forces. Why? Because when mated with a proper barrel (no you can't use junk barrels) and properly tuned, it performs flawlessly.
Oh, so what you actually meant is "The Abraxas may cycle well with certain barrels and a reduced recoil spring." Before you said it would function flawlessly, period.

Jupiter Eye as Epic Fail, ridiculous, let me guess slab sided Hiram asymmetrical cans 9" long and sporting vast internal volume to trough water more your style eh?
The Jupiter Eye is 7.8" long and weighs 13oz. The slab-sided SilencerCo Osprey to which you refer is 7.06" long and weighs 11.1oz. The AAC Ti-Rant 9 is 7.9" long and weighs 9.1oz. Not sure which gigantic cans you're talking about, but the main competitors for the jupiter eye are lighter and not really any bigger, plus they are quieter.

The fact that you have detailed knowledge of AWC's design revisions and military contract makes it pretty clear to me that you are either an AWC employee, an AWC distributor, or somehow involved with them in another way. Get your spam out of here, or at least state your relationship to them so people know why you are bashing every other company and think AWC is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Semmerling
May 21, 2010, 12:22 PM
Nope, don't work for them never did. The problem with you guys is as soon as somebody actually knows something you sugges its all corporate spam.

That website paste couldn't possibly lead one to believe as you stated that it "support their claim that the Thundertrap eliminates the sonic crack." And the "they used to run ads that..." is not accurate either. If you read their own web site, detailed for you above you will see in their "Understanding Suppression" section that they are very much aware of the real limitations of sonic crack. They ought to, they have been at this for 30 years. Titsworth gets ZERO cans from AWC because of past "infractions" and an inability to understand the failure of simple dB reading. Your complaints about AWC and the .50 is on Tits first page and is inaccurate.

The Abraxas is the most successfull 9mm ever sold to the U.S. Government. You got it right the first time you read my lines, when properly prepared on a quality barrel they run flawlessly on all the Glock models you say they won't. All the whining in the world fails in the face of that.

Get used to the fact that AWC has probably destroyed more cans in test to failure testing than many of these company have yet to make. No more rolling over for the newbie crowd, those of us with decades of AWC use are sick and tired of reading it. World class cans, world class performance and one of the best companies I have dealt with. Much of that which passes for "new" designs, especially in baffles are "lifted" from AWC.

crushbup
May 22, 2010, 10:21 AM
Much of that which passes for "new" designs, especially in baffles are "lifted" from AWC.

Do go on, I'm intrigued...

Conqueror
May 22, 2010, 10:56 AM
The Abraxas is the most successfull 9mm ever sold to the U.S. Government.
You keep saying that like it's relevant to this thread on "the most quiet 9mm suppressor." That is a red herring. The KAC M4QD is the most successful 5.56 silencer ever sold to the US Government, but it's also really loud. It - like the Abraxas - got picked by the government because it was class leading AT THAT TIME. But KAC has had that contract for like 15 years, and better things have come along since. Anyone who's been in the military knows that government contracts don't just look at performance. They look at cheapest bidder, fastest procurement, and a whole lot of politics.

I have shot a Jupiter Eye, along with virtually every other brand of 9mm silencer. I would not buy a Jupiter Eye on any day of the week. Other silencers are available that are both lighter and quieter. No sane person would look at the available silencers on the market and conclude that the Jupiter Eye is the best.

springwalk
May 23, 2010, 01:02 PM
Having a gubbermint contract and NSN doesnt mean alot in regards of performance. See Beretta 92:barf:

David Hineline
July 21, 2010, 11:21 AM
No one understands the way I think.

SharpsDressedMan
July 21, 2010, 01:10 PM
I caution that selecting AWC may result in poor customer service. They were poorly repsonsive when their Nexus .45 suppressor snapped the threaded portion off my barrel (that was purchased from them with the can) and laid the suppressor on the ground in front of me. They said, "That happens.", and were not interested in pro-rating a barrel, or any company rectification. I now shop elsewhere.

jmorris
July 21, 2010, 01:26 PM
They were poorly repsonsive when their Nexus .45 suppressor snapped the threaded portion off my barrel (that was purchased from them with the can) and laid the suppressor on the ground in front of me. They said, "That happens.", and were not interested in pro-rating a barrel, or any company rectification. I now shop elsewhere.

Did they thread the barrel for you?

Ironman
July 21, 2010, 04:43 PM
My 9mm osprey was approved, Ill do a video review for you on Saturday bud...

boya
July 21, 2010, 11:30 PM
heres the quietest I've ever heard
http://www.remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/mp5sd/mp5sd.htm

Im sure there are quieter?

45bthompson
July 23, 2010, 07:16 AM
This is an interesting thread. It seems like there are some thin skinned people around here. How about some actual db levels for the OP?

Ironman
July 23, 2010, 09:57 PM
ok..

9mm Osprey 125dB dry, 122dB wet. Leader in 9mm sound suppression. That was easy. 3 db quieter dry than the Trident9 and more compact.

thorazine
July 27, 2010, 07:56 PM
heh..

Although I have never fired a jupiter eye...

From what I understand my bargin basement super discounted rollback priced coastal ultima easily outperforms that suppressor. :D

LiquidTension
July 29, 2010, 07:59 AM
As stated previously, the Osprey and the TiRant are at the top of the pack. However, you could have a custom can made that would be even quieter. I'd bet an integrally suppressed 9mm carbine with a 4" barrel and 12" of baffles would be pretty dang quiet. I'm pondering such a thing on a Marlin Camp 9 I have sitting around.

Ironman
July 30, 2010, 09:12 AM
as stated previously, the osprey and the tirant are at the top of the pack. However, you could have a custom can made that would be even quieter. I'd bet an integrally suppressed 9mm carbine with a 4" barrel and 12" of baffles would be pretty dang quiet. I'm pondering such a thing on a marlin camp 9 i have sitting around.
^
nice!

thorazine
August 2, 2010, 03:18 AM
I would love to manufacturer my own suppressor (VIA FORM 1) but sadly I do not have the required tools and experience using them. =(

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