Status on Airtronic USA RPG-7s?


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sv51macross
June 7, 2010, 12:37 AM
For those who are not aware, Airtronic USA is making a RPG-7 variant domestically with various 'upgrades' such as picatinny rails and an AR-15 style grip. They also make the anti-tank rocket rounds.

http://www.airtronic.net/products.html

Question; do they sell to civilians? The problem with the normal RPG-7 is that importation is prohibited, correct? And this would potentially allow armed citizens to acquire the sort of firepower that some antis deride militia-supporters for not having.

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Quiet
June 7, 2010, 01:59 AM
It's a DD.
All NFA rules apply.

sv51macross
June 7, 2010, 02:01 AM
...I knew that.



sv51macross wrote:

Question; do they sell to civilians?


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Augh!
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=21&t=316549

TCBA_Joe wrote:

I'm not going to be a dick, but did you read the homepage link your provided?


The Market We Serve
Airtronic USA provides small arms and small arms spare parts to the U.S. Department of Defense, foreign militaries and Law enforcement.
We do not sell to individuals in the civilian market. Please do not trouble us or yourself by asking.

NOLAEMT
June 8, 2010, 12:29 AM
Please do not trouble us or yourself by asking.

nice.

PTK
June 8, 2010, 01:37 AM
Not only are they absurdly civilian un-friendly, a real Russian RPG-7 is cheaper than what they want. I've seen RPG-7s for ~$5k.

sv51macross
June 8, 2010, 09:05 AM
But can a civilian get stamps for and import a Russian/foreign RPG-7/warheads?

Gord
June 8, 2010, 09:26 AM
I assume PTK is referring to RPG-7s already in the country.

PTK
June 8, 2010, 12:45 PM
That I am.

Gord
June 8, 2010, 02:01 PM
That's pretty wild - only $5k? How much is ammo? :)

RyanM
June 8, 2010, 04:25 PM
IIRC, most of the RPG-7s in the country are "trophies" brought home by troops, but a relatively recent presidential or congressional order (I forget) put an end to those permanently, which has most likely cut off all new RPGs. A lot of the ones floating around have stuff written on them in Arabic, and either say "Allah ackbar" or mundane info like "company #3," depending on who you ask.

sv51macross
June 8, 2010, 08:03 PM
What other alternative is there? It is possible, and even for some, remotely financially feasible to feed a real M203 HEDP, or at least build a small stash. But there is no way to give a citizen real anti-tank capability. The RPG-7 is the most effective way to do so. Is there no other alternative for medium-range anti-armor?

mboylan
June 8, 2010, 09:10 PM
High explosive ammunition isn't generally available to the public. The rare HE rounds that are come with a $200 tax stamp and ATF approval for each and every round.

mboylan
June 9, 2010, 12:18 AM
What other alternative is there? It is possible, and even for some, remotely financially feasible to feed a real M203 HEDP, or at least build a small stash. But there is no way to give a citizen real anti-tank capability. The RPG-7 is the most effective way to do so. Is there no other alternative for medium-range anti-armor?
I know of no RPG-7 rockets available to the public at all. If there are a few rockets out there, they are probably priced at several times the cost of the tube.

There are some M203 HEDP available to the public. They are not advertised. You would buy them from a private party and there aren't very many. They are also extremely expensive.

You can't just go out and buy HE from a manufacturer. They will not sell to the public.

sv51macross
June 9, 2010, 12:27 AM
^
...Oh.
Damn.
So, you have to know someone who works at the plant? Or like MGs/RPGs, there are a fixed amount that constantly deplete?

And I knew about the tax-per round. I thought that the HEDPs were around $170 a pop plus tax.

PTK
June 9, 2010, 01:06 PM
There are plenty of RPG-7 AT rockets for sale. None advertised, none from any one HE manufacturer - and they're not difficult for someone who knows what they're doing to make, either. The one I fired off a while back was less than $40 (plus, yes, the $200 stamp he paid) to make. And that was for a one-off, too - I expect they'd be under $20 each plus stamp if you made a bunch.

Sebastian the Ibis
June 11, 2010, 05:37 PM
$40 (plus, yes, the $200 stamp he paid)

Not a bad price. When I was in Cambodia in 05 you could shoot an RPG-7 at a cow for $200.00.

mboylan
June 13, 2010, 08:03 PM
If he made it, he's an FFL with a Class 2 SOT or it was totally illegal. I think the point is regular guys can't get them. He would not have had to pay the tax.

BRad704
June 14, 2010, 03:02 PM
Not a bad price. When I was in Cambodia in 05 you could shoot an RPG-7 at a cow for $200.00.
That is quite disturbing...

Corey
June 14, 2010, 03:29 PM
If he made it, he's an FFL with a Class 2 SOT or it was totally illegal. I think the point is regular guys can't get them. He would not have had to pay the tax.

An unlicensed individual can make a DD on a Form 1 with the $200 tax.

PTK
June 14, 2010, 11:58 PM
If he made it, he's an FFL with a Class 2 SOT or it was totally illegal. I think the point is regular guys can't get them. He would not have had to pay the tax.

Hah, no, an individual can make DDs, explosive included, if they get a $200 tax stamp each, AND, in the case of the explosives, hold an HE user's permit. I know this for a fact, as I've done so. ;)

sv51macross
June 15, 2010, 12:36 AM
^ How involved is a HE permit? I know that registered HE needs a separate magazine (what does this mean, standalone bunker X-yards from other buildings?) but what else?

PTK
June 15, 2010, 02:05 AM
Not a whole lot is involved. I'd already taken pyrotechnics classes, so I don't know if those are needed or not.

If you have the land for the magazine, money for the user's permit or manufacturing license, local zoning permits if required, and a clean background, there isn't any cause for the permit or license to be denied.

LemmyCaution
June 16, 2010, 09:11 PM
Assuming one wishes to disable a tank within the CONUS, I'm not certain high explosives, nor a permit for them are exactly necessary, or desired. At the point one is attempting to disable tanks, questions of legality become somewhat moot, don't they?

Frankly, the weapon to which tanks are most vulnerable in the CONUS is called 'bad publicity.'

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