Multi-Barreled Confusion...


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washambala
August 6, 2010, 10:42 PM
From what I understand, according to NFA regulation, a shotgun with a barrel under 18" or a rifle under 16" or either one with an OAL under 26" is prohibited without the proper paperwork/tax stamp.

But what about those rifle/shotgun combo guns such as the Springfield M6 and the like? If you were to chop both barrels to 16", how would it be classified? what about 14"?

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FIVETWOSEVEN
August 6, 2010, 11:48 PM
It would be classified as a SBS with a barrel length of 16" for both. Both at 14"? I have no clue. Probably either, your choice.

shotgunjoel
August 7, 2010, 02:08 AM
I would say both SBS and SBR. Or HUGE GUESS, AOW???

PTK
August 7, 2010, 05:57 AM
The “any other weapon” definition also includes specifically described weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more but less than 18 inches in length from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading.

Straight from the horse's mouth, either case would be an AOW.:)

CleverNickname
August 7, 2010, 05:00 PM
But what about if such a firearm had barrels less than 12" long? The law would seem to indicate that it's a title I firearm again, but that seems sort of silly. But then, no one ever said the law had to make sense.

PTK
August 7, 2010, 05:31 PM
Then it's a "firearm made from a rifle/shotgun", still NFA.

CleverNickname
August 8, 2010, 04:43 PM
But the original firearm is neither a rifle nor a shotgun. It has a smooth barrel, so it can't be a rifle and it has a rifled barrel, so it can't be a shotgun. If the original firearm was a rifle or a shotgun, it couldn't be made into an AOW by cutting the barrels down to 12-18". But if the barrels are <12", it's not an AOW by definition.

Sam1911
August 8, 2010, 05:10 PM
But the original firearm is neither a rifle nor a shotgun. It has a smooth barrel, so it can't be a rifle and it has a rifled barrel, so it can't be a shotgun.
That's a completely misleading, and mistaken, statement. It has BOTH a smooth barrel AND a rifled barrel. It may be BOTH a rifle AND a shotgun, but it cannot, possibly, be neither.

That's like saying a girl has blond hair and black eyebrows, so she is neither blond nor brunette. Doesn't make sense.

If the original firearm was a rifle or a shotgun, it couldn't be made into an AOW by cutting the barrels down to 12-18". True. It would either be a "firearm made from a rifle," or a "firearm made from a shotgun," or both. You'd have to ask an ATF examiner which way you should register it.

But if the barrels are <12", it's not an AOW by definition.Well, that, and that it wasn't built that way from the factory. Having been cut down from a Title I rifle/shotgun combo, it's classification will have to reflect that.

washambala
August 10, 2010, 04:48 AM
So if its between 18 and 12 inches then its registered as an AOW but if its shorter than that I have to call up BATFE and ask them because it could be any number of things.

Sam1911
August 10, 2010, 08:40 AM
No. I don't think so. I believe if it was ever a full-stocked rifle or shotgun (or rifle AND shotgun) then it becomes a "firearm made from a ..."

I'd call and ask. Chances are, they'll tell you to make it an SBR or SBS and leave it at that, but gotta get it from the horses' mouth.

ugaarguy
August 10, 2010, 10:14 AM
That's a completely misleading, and mistaken, statement. It has BOTH a smooth barrel AND a rifled barrel. It may be BOTH a rifle AND a shotgun, but it cannot, possibly, be neither.
Sam is correct. It is, most definitely, both. Having sold a few of these when I worked for an FFL, here's how it works: (Assuming it's a Title I firearm with both bbls longer than 18", etc) The dealer will put rifle & shotgun in the "type" field, and both the rifle caliber & shotgun gauge in the "caliber or gauge" field of the form 4473. Nothing too painful. :)

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