New S&W .410 Revolver


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InkEd
January 17, 2011, 10:17 PM
I just saw pics of a new S&W revolver in .410/45LC. It's even uglier than the Taurus Judge. The S&W Governor. -1 for the name.

http://gunnuts.net/2011/01/17/smith-wesson-governor/

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IlikeSA
January 17, 2011, 10:31 PM
That is really ugly, and looks overbuilt too! It reminds me of one of the earlier 1900s no-name revolvers.

joeq
January 17, 2011, 10:47 PM
I can't believe S&W would even produce this. I will definitely not be purchasing one of these.

brandon_mcg
January 17, 2011, 10:52 PM
wow, thats terrible. i usually like smith and wesson products, but that is just bad.

Mike Sr.
January 17, 2011, 10:55 PM
It will fall by the way side and become a collectors gun...:banghead:

InkEd
January 17, 2011, 10:57 PM
The New Bodyguard and now the Governor. S&W is 0 and 2 for new revolvers at SHOT show. When will they just release some no ILS models and be the highlight of the show for doing absolutely nothing.

aryfrosty
January 17, 2011, 11:06 PM
If someone likes the concept they would be 100% better off with this than with a Taurus clunker/ clanker/ clinker. I fooled myself into buying an "UltraLite" Judge. Shot it once and cleaned it and put in the back of the safe. I can't bring myself to foist it off on anyone so I'll just pull it out and hold it and look at it whenever I get to thinking I know guns. What a dumb buy.

Gato Montés
January 17, 2011, 11:41 PM
It was only a matter of time. What, with the Judge selling like hot cakes, someone is bound to try and get a piece of that.


The name however is flat out retarded.

Tom488
January 17, 2011, 11:50 PM
The name however is flat out retarded.
I guess 'The Executioner' would have been a little too un-PC?

Geneseo1911
January 18, 2011, 12:31 AM
Hmmm....a gun that:

is overly large & ugly
is not really good at anything, but advertised as being the answer for everything
has zero new ideas

I would have called it "The Senator"



(but maybe that's just because we have such stellar senators from Chicago Illinois)

deacon8
January 18, 2011, 01:14 AM
Something that we all must keep in mind is that a gun's sole purpose isn't to subdue a bad guy. There are all sorts of guns and they all have a purpose. I own a Taurus Judge. I carry it in an old leather holster on an old leather belt. On our property, I put A LOT of time into our property. I am constantly putting work into the property, whether it be cutting deer trails through blackberries, planting food plots with my small John Deere tractor (with attachments), etc. I mill around and work a lot outside because I am retired and we have a lot of land to take care of. It is primarily hunting land. There are a ton of rattlesnakes around here and if I'm "weed-whacking," or on the tractor, the Judge is perfect "snake medicine."

The point I am trying to make is that while most people in America live in populated areas, millions and millions of people don't. People that are mostly worried about human attacker, might find a "Judge style" firearm inferior...and they are probably right. However, for those of us who are worried about animal attacks more than people attacks (though I still worry about bad guys and am ready for them), tend to need a wider range of firearms that we use for our everyday lives.

I carry different firearms on the property depending on what I am doing, where I am on the property, what time of the year it is, etc. And sometimes the Judge just fits the bill. If snakes are an issue, I need a small gun, and am doing something that makes a perectly placed first shot difficult, it is just about perfect. Whenever I carry it, I always carry five .45 LC handloads, loaded with 250 grain GoldDot HP.

Sometimes a Judge isn't what is best though. Sometimes I would need to carry three firearms to cover all possible situations. Coyotes, deer (if it's hunting season), large animal protection (bear and cougar), snakes, feral cats, skunks, raccoons, people, etc., are all possible firearm uses where I live and spend most of my time.

The point I am trying make is that there are hundreds of different styles of firearms. There are hundreds of different cartridges for these different firearms. That equals countless possibilities to fill countless needs. There is a place for something like the Judge, even though many people could never conceive what that may be. Some people on here have never been to a place like mine. For others, my property would seem like the absolute definition of wilderness. My nearest neighbor is about 4 miles away and the next is about 6 miles away, if that tells you anything. Some people just cannot conceive living an everyday life like that. Therefore some people cannot conceive an actual use for the Judge.

It is not my favorite firearm, in fact it is one of my least favorite (I own about 50). However, that damn ugly thing does have a purpose and it is good at what it does. I just wish S&W had their's out when my wife went out to buy me a Judge for Christmas four years ago. ;)

Sorry for the long post. Just giving my two cents. Keep an open mind when it comes to guns and realize they are not all for self defense. Take care everyone.

heavyshooter
January 18, 2011, 01:19 AM
We have come full circle. The day has come when S&W copies Taurus. Having said that, the Judge was/is selling like crazy so someone was going to show up with their own version. Do you think Ruger will come out with "The Attorney"?

JEB
January 18, 2011, 01:27 AM
wow finally! this is perfect! now you can buy a worthless handgun AND pay a premium (read way overpriced) namebrand price!:barf:

RedAlert
January 18, 2011, 01:34 AM
Unfortunately, form follows function for both Taurus and S&W. Long cylinder, stubby handle and short barrel equal a rather awkward handgun.

natman
January 18, 2011, 04:28 AM
Something that we all must keep in mind is that a gun's sole purpose isn't to subdue a bad guy. ... There are a ton of rattlesnakes around here and if I'm "weed-whacking," or on the tractor, the Judge is perfect "snake medicine."


I agree that the Judge with 410 birdshot would work well on snakes, although I'm not sure it would work sufficiently better than 45 Colt shotshells to be worth it.

The problem is that Taurus isn't marketing them as "snake medicine". They are doing a full court press to sell these things as self defense weapons, a task to which they are ill suited. Unfortunately, a lot of people are buying into the "shotgun in a holster" fantasy.

jon86
January 18, 2011, 06:46 AM
At least this one can fire 45 ACP.

JohnBT
January 18, 2011, 08:33 AM
I'd buy one in 28 ga. :) Just because. I have ammo.

Dain Bramage
January 18, 2011, 01:08 PM
The Governator.

Bubba613
January 18, 2011, 03:51 PM
It looks like a very useful gun.
For generating revenue for S&W. Yes, the thing is a turkey. They will doubtless sell a bunch but originality is not in evidence here.

Girodin
January 18, 2011, 04:48 PM
If those guns are selling, whether they are useful or not, it makes sense to get a market share. Will the type of consumer who buys a judge be interested in spending more for a Smith though?

Oh and I agree the name kind of sucks.

GCBurner
January 18, 2011, 04:49 PM
Proving once and for all that Smith & Wesson's Marketing Department are just total whores for whatever looks trendy. They should put fishnet stockings and lipstick on it. :barf:

mgregg85
January 18, 2011, 05:38 PM
Maybe Colt will come out with "The President" or ruger could make "The Generalissimo" next.

Action_Can_Do
January 18, 2011, 07:43 PM
Gun companies copy each other all the time. Just like all other businesses. If Taurus's success with the judge is any indicator, this gun will quickly become one of S&W's best selling guns.

HankB
January 18, 2011, 10:46 PM
Maybe Colt will come out with "The President" "The President?" Colt opened a factory in Kenya?

:neener:

In any case, I don't view a .410 pistol as being adequate for self defense against anything except snakes. Heck, even a 12 ga. with birdshot can't be counted on to stop a big bad guy. A .410? Nope.

TexasBill
January 18, 2011, 11:45 PM
I can load my Model 60 with .357 Magnums and CCI Shotshells so I can deal with two-legged snakes and no-legged snakes. My Model 60 is smaller, lighter and much, much better-looking.

Zanad
January 18, 2011, 11:56 PM
what do you know, I know I cant carry a police officer in my pocket but now I have a choice of either having a judge and/or a governor in my pocket to be used at will.

epijunkie67
January 19, 2011, 05:13 AM
If snakes are an issue, I need a small gun, and am doing something that makes a perectly placed first shot difficult, it is just about perfect. Whenever I carry it, I always carry five .45 LC handloads, loaded with 250 grain GoldDot HP.

If you are carrying it loaded with 45LC then it isn't going to do anything that a .357, .44, or real .45 LC can't do. The ONLY reason to carry a handgun that fires shotgun shells is so you can fire shotgun shells out of a pistol sized weapon. If you are going to use pistol rounds you'd be better served just carrying a pistol.

FIVETWOSEVEN
January 19, 2011, 07:51 AM
We have come full circle. The day has come when S&W copies Taurus. Having said that, the Judge was/is selling like crazy so someone was going to show up with their own version. Do you think Ruger will come out with "The Attorney"?


Kel-Tec hasn't started making revolvers yet so I'm unsure about Ruger.

natman
January 19, 2011, 09:39 AM
Maybe Colt will come out with "The President" or ruger could make "The Generalissimo" next.
Too late. They've BTDT.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8739/l164051c94d374881988a75.jpg

Carl N. Brown
January 22, 2011, 11:26 PM
The Taurus Judge is beginning to look better. The S&W looks like its ugly lil sister. It's ugly aunt was the Thunder Five, a five-shot, .410 revolver that used to be made locally in Piney Flats, Tennessee, and sold by Top Notch Guns near Blountville. (The Thunder Five was featured in the movie "Three Kings")

This is a niche idea, a small niche well filled by the Taurus Judge. I just don't see a wide market for this type of revolver. Flood the market and you will kill it.

Me, I handload shot shells in .38 Spl or .45 AutoRim to cover my worries about snakes.

Gottahaveone
January 24, 2011, 04:24 PM
Hmmm....a gun that:

is overly large & ugly
is not really good at anything, but advertised as being the answer for everything
has zero new ideas

I would have called it "The Senator"

Naw, to qualify for that you would have to add---

WAY overpriced
once you buy it, you can't EVER get rid of it
and
no matter what action *you* might want it to take, it ALWAY's knows whats best for you and act's accordingly

JR47
January 24, 2011, 06:29 PM
I'm thinking that the .410 shell (3"), holding 3/4 oz. of #4, 6, or 7 1/2 shot is going to be a LOT more effective than a shot-shell in .357, .44, or .45, that carries less weight of charge in #12 shot. Despite the authorities thinking, physics still holds the rule of law for this.

Most people who buy this gun, or a Judge, are going to shoot a box of each caliber through it, then put it away like the Model 10s of past generations. It will sit there, quietly, for the next 40-50 years, and be sold at an estate auction.

I believe that the current vogue of light-weight .357 Magnums are at least as stupid as anything in .410 in a pistol. Why? Because the "average" shooter cannot control them. They won't practice with them enough to be competent, and may well leave the shooting fraternity as a result of these over-powered, under thought out, beasts. Their sight radius is too short for a beginner, too.

gym
January 25, 2011, 10:21 AM
I'm glad to see most of you agree with my thoughts on this gimmick. From everything I read on these guns, thet suck. The shotgun is very inaccurate, because of the small barrel, and it's just too big for a regular revolver. It was a PR gimmick, taking advantage of the HD audience, convincing them that this was the ideal weapon, and it's not.I rather have a gun "or most other things" that does 1 thing and does it well. Than an all purpose thingamajig. Overpriced piece of junk.

John Wayne
January 25, 2011, 10:59 AM
You know, for as much as people hate on the Taurus Judge and call it useless (a claim that for some applications has merit), they seem to be selling well and expanding years after everyone said they would fall by the wayside.

Yes, the S&W is an obvious copy of that design, but it also brings the ability to fire .45 ACP to the table, which may be a deal breaker for some.

JR47
January 25, 2011, 02:15 PM
Here's the largest problem on the Internet: From everything I read on these guns, thet suck.


Try finding one and shooting it, or at the least handle it before forming an "opinion".

I took the time to handle and shoot one when they first came out. While I don't have a use for one, they (I shot 4, including a then new 3" .410 shell version) were actually accurate with the .410 loading at ranges up to about 15 feet. For snakes and rodents, etc., you won't need that much range. The .45 LC was also accurate out to 25 yards on a Torso silhouette.

The guns will require that you choose your .410 ammo with an eye towards the patterning, just like a shotgun. They are also finicky about .45 LC loadings, and will require a little research there, as well.

Again, for those who think that 3/4 oz. of #4 shot is somehow inferior to a standard revolvers 1/4 oz. of #12 shot, I have a bridge to sell you.

Overpriced piece of junk.

The thread was about S&W and Taurus, not Kimber.:)

Mp7
January 25, 2011, 02:52 PM
if they had called it "The Arnold" and got some aging bodybuilder to pose for advertising ......

It´s just marketing. And it looks like they failed.
People with too much money will have it in their collection
just for being complete.

Except for lookin ugly it seems to be able to do nuthin
any proven big revolvers couldn´t do.

ObsidianOne
January 25, 2011, 03:47 PM
I personally think it's quite a bit LESS ugly than the Taurus Judge. I still fail to see the need for a .410/45LC pistol other than pure novelty, but I would be much more inclined to pick this one up, other than the Judge.

rogertc1
January 26, 2011, 12:29 PM
You opinion is far from a majority O:) man.

razorback2003
January 26, 2011, 01:08 PM
I've always thought those Judges would make a good snake gun for hikers and hunters. Shotshells in handgun cartridges don't have quite as much shot as 410 birdshot. Snakes take several hits with regular handgun ammo and are best hit in the head if you can get a head shot. Birdshot gives you more pellets for the snake to help break/tear up the snake. It is hard to carry a shotgun when you are just walking in the woods. If I wanted just a hiking handgun, I'd get something like this S&W or judge and load it with a couple or three birdshot shells for snake and 45 LC/45 ACP shells.

Guns and more
January 26, 2011, 02:17 PM
It was only a matter of time. What, with the Judge selling like hot cakes, someone is bound to try and get a piece of that.
Let the market decide.
I remember reading that the .380 was worthless for a carry gun, now everyone is making them.
The name however is flat out retarded.
Governors can trump judges.
That is really ugly, and looks overbuilt too!
Less ugly that the LCR, and I guess they are selling well.
I don't know if overbuilt is a bad thing, as opposed to under built.

USAF_Vet
January 26, 2011, 02:30 PM
Sad to see S&W has stooped to this level, but not really surprising given the "mad rush to grab as many guns as possible before they are all illegal." :rolleyes:

This one shoots .45 ACP, which gives it an added ability over the Judge, but from what I read, it needs moonclips on the rounds. Great, more stuff to buy for an already gimmicky gun. What advantages does a .45 ACP have over a .45 LC in this gun? At this point, I don't see the value of it.

Around here, Judges are selling like hotcakes, partly due to the moderate price range. What is the S&W retail price?

While I would consider a judge in the distant future, maybe, if the price was right and the stars aligned properly, the S&W Governor looks awful. I've held a Judge, although haven't had the opportunity to fire one, it didn't feel right in my hand. the S&W looks even worse in that regard.

Gryffydd
January 26, 2011, 03:18 PM
What advantages does a .45 ACP have over a .45 LC in this gun?
The same ones it always has... ammo availability, ammo cost, more efficient with standard .45 Colt level loads. Given that this (I'm assuming) can't handle the .45 Colt "+P+" rounds, the real question is, what advantage does the .45 Colt have in this gun? The rim? There's always .45AR brass.

It's funny, most people here think this is a stupid gun. Most people here think the Judge is a pretty stupid gun. But man, does it ever sell! S&W would be stupid to not try to take a piece of that market. Sure, they could go back to making no-lock classic versions of their revolvers, and try to make it by only making guns "we" approve of. Yeah, that'd be a great business strategy.

K-Swift
January 26, 2011, 08:17 PM
Wow. Someone needs to print this thread off a hundred times at work ('cause you know you can for free) and send it to all the S&W office addresses you can find.

Seriously though, I really hope someone at Smith marketing reads this thread.

I hope they're rewarded with ZERO sales and a huge loss.

I hate imports and love AMURICAHN companies, but this is pathetic.

19&41
January 26, 2011, 08:25 PM
How about the S&P? (Spray & Pray)

jerkface11
January 26, 2011, 08:51 PM
Everyone on the internet hates these things. Odd that they seem to be flying off the shelves. Good for S&W for seeing that Taurus started a new niche.

egg250
January 26, 2011, 09:44 PM
It seems as if the Judge, made by Taurus has a market all its own and S&W is trying to "muzzle" in. If you hate this type of gun, don't buy it. Snooty folks who like the idea of the 45/410 pistol but can't stoop so low as to purchase a Taurus now have a viable option.

As a self-defense round, almost anything would be better than nothing. A .410 loaded with #4 shot would offer quite enough stopping power when used within its limitations. If you expect to successfully engage targets at long range handgun distance with .410 shotshell you will be disappointed. Used as a backup gun at close range....let's say inside of 15 yards....I think it would be more than adequate.

Bottom line, you need to balance your expectations when selecting a firearm for any purpose. Each type will excel in the application for which it was designed. Different calibers also have specific purposes and limitations.

Gryffydd
January 26, 2011, 11:39 PM
Snooty folks who like the idea of the 45/410 pistol but can't stoop so low as to purchase a Taurus
Yeah, I'm not so sure how big of a group that is...

Different calibers also have specific purposes and limitations.
But some have more limited purposes and many more limitations than others...

Mayvik
January 26, 2011, 11:54 PM
You know what I don't understand? Why there's no 9mm Shotgun/9x17/9x18/9x19 option out there. Smaller, shorter, lighter, better solid round ammo options. Sure, 9mm shotshells/defense ammo don't exist in the US, but it's big enough in Europe and if companies are building .410 (and 28 ga :rolleyes:) defensive ammo around these platforms, you think they'd look at this as well.

Taurus? S&W? If you're reading this I want credit!

suemarkp
January 27, 2011, 12:17 AM
The advantages 45 Colt has over 45 ACP are:

More powder capacity, so it is slightly more powerful, especially with heavier bullets.
Longer case. The chambers in these guns are loooong. The longer the case, the higher the accuracy potential.


Knowing that the gun can take 45 ACP pressures means you could load 45 Colt +P (not to Ruger or T/C levels though). But that isn't going to make a lot of difference.

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