Private ownership of bean bag gun


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10-Ring
January 28, 2003, 03:28 PM
Can I legally own a bean bag shotgun in CA? If so, what does the conversion entail? Any pro's/con's to private ownership? Wouldn't that be the ultimate in a liability free house gun?

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ajacobs
January 28, 2003, 04:22 PM
If you are talking shotgun. No conversion is nessesary just order the ammo. If you are talking 37mm that is a whole nother story.

Frankly in my state if I am justified shooting them with a bean bag I am justified shooting them with a slug. True, that less likely to pursue charges in the event of a bean bag. But I don't plan on shooting anyone I am not legally justified in shooting and that I don't have any other option. And when those matters are met I want to end the threat right away. Not take the chance that I will knock him down with a bean bag and he comes back up with a pistol as I am dialing 911. There has been many threads in the shotgun forum of TFL search for less than lethal.

10-Ring
January 28, 2003, 04:49 PM
I guess I'm off to TFL archive

El Tejon
January 28, 2003, 05:28 PM
What ammunition does Kali prohibit? What the heck is a "bean bag shotgun"?

MrAcheson
January 28, 2003, 05:49 PM
A bean bag shotgun is a normal shotgun loaded with beanbag shells. Beanbag shells are just what they sound like, its a square bag full of "beans" which is rolled up and takes the place of a more conventional shot charge. Not sure if they use a full powder load, but I doubt it since I've never seen one shot in a semi-auto. 12 gauge cylinder-bore pumps are used to shoot these.

Bean bag rounds show up frequently and the concensus is don't use them. Shooting someone with a beanbag round still requires provocation of lethal force. Because of this why not shoot them with a more accurate and effective true shotgun round?

444
January 28, 2003, 05:57 PM
Bean bag rounds fired from a shotgun are frequently lethal.

ahenry
January 28, 2003, 06:45 PM
If someone needs shootin’ with a bean bag, they need shootin’ with something else as well. I’d just as soon take the lethal approach and keep somebody else from having to deal with the problem down the road.

10-Ring
January 28, 2003, 11:41 PM
Thanks for the input guys. I was just looking for less than lethal alternatives and came up w/ bean bags. Perhaps it's time to keep brainstorming :scrutiny:

444
January 29, 2003, 12:11 AM
10-Ring
I work as a paramedic. We had a class about six months ago that included some stuff on these shotgun bean bag rounds. It turns out that they are certainly lethal. We saw the autopsy photos to prove it. The main problem is that they are not to be fired at point blank range. I don't remember the distance, but obviously when the officer needs to use one, he doesn't stop and measure how far away he is. For example, there was one photo of a guy that was wearing a big madallion around his neck. The bean bag impacted the madallion and drove it clear through his chest. There have also been some deaths resulting from blunt trauma to the chest where the bean bag did not enter the chest wall, but caused fatal internal injuries from the blunt trauma from being fired too close to the victim. Another issue, if I remember correctly was that the bag was sewn together with a teflon cord. If the bag struck on the side, this cord cut through flesh like a knife.
These problems have been dealt with here locally. They went to a different bean bag round that is supposed to take care of the teflon thread issue. The local PD was in the process of shooting up all the old rounds in training.
Another factor is that if you start using different shotgun shells for different purposes, you might become confused as to what you have loaded. You might have a bean bag loaded when you need the real thing, or you might have the real thing loaded when you thought it was a bean bad. The police overcome this problem by using designated shotguns for bean bag rounds. The guns are orange in color and never had standard shells fired though them.

10-Ring
January 29, 2003, 01:24 AM
Just goes to show ya how a little info can be dangerous :what:

Byron Quick
January 30, 2003, 05:41 AM
Legally, at least here in Georgia, I am justified in shooting only if I am justified in using lethal force. Why would I wish to use less than lethal force?

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