Un-Tactical Knives?


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Tamara
January 31, 2003, 08:58 PM
So, what're some of your favorite un-"tactical" knives?

Here (shown with decidedly un-tactical Smith Model 34 and M1895 Nagant) are: a CRKT Halligan K.I.S.S., a Benchmade Terzuola Park Avenue, a Kershaw Ken Onion Chive, a Benchmade McHenry & Williams Levitator Benchmite, and a CRKT small Tighe Tac...

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jar
January 31, 2003, 09:17 PM
One of my favorites is my "Dress Tactical" from Terry Primos.

http://www.fototime.com/57DA9E0E87552D2/standard.jpg


In folders I'd include my Crawfords...

http://www.fototime.com/E29C3E0972AE52C/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/0B1456ACD5C5661/standard.jpg

the Carson large #4...
http://www.fototime.com/987AC108A606C3C/standard.jpg

and my Whiskers Allen scale release.
http://www.fototime.com/FEE5BC6FCD52CCD/standard.jpg

bad_dad_brad
January 31, 2003, 09:20 PM
Kershaw Ken Onion Speed-Safe, but I think the LEO might think it is a switch-blade. Very cool knife. Mine has the black plastic grips. I just play with it, and won't carry. It really is an automatic knife, and I am pretty sure that it would be labeled as such in a court of law.

Gerber EZ-Out Junior, nice little knife, great blade. Quick to open. Strong.

Any Wegner Swiss Army knife. In my opinion Wegner makes a better Swisser than Victrinox.

BuckLights. Best all around reasonably priced everyday pocket knife. The blade keeps an edge.

bad_dad_brad
January 31, 2003, 09:23 PM
Uh, jar, those look like tacticals to me. Cool pictures regardless.

Tamara
January 31, 2003, 09:50 PM
If a Crawford folder ain't a "tactical" knife, ain't nobody's folder a "tactical knife"... ;)

Sven
January 31, 2003, 10:30 PM
I wanna see organic handles... highly figured woods, exotic shapes. Maybe a handle made out of an old animal bone or something.

Right now, my vote goes to "Dress Tactical" from Terry Primos.

Thank you.

jar
January 31, 2003, 11:19 PM
Well, maybe just a little tactical.:D :D

How about these?

Gedraitus Bone folder (http://www.fototime.com/7C46F206A88DE7C/orig.jpg)

Joe Pardue Bone and Damascus folder (http://www.fototime.com/C4280D81458B85B/orig.jpg)

James Luman small Damascus Bowie (http://www.fototime.com/D9CB21C5628CADB/orig.jpg)

Shawn Pikering boot knife. (http://www.fototime.com/32FBD78C77D6EFD/orig.jpg)

Now some people MIGHT think this Richardson Bowie was tactical but... (http://www.fototime.com/88745B75E21B566/orig.jpg)

10-Ring
February 1, 2003, 01:51 AM
kleine tactical? How about a small Swiss army knife w/ scissors, nail file, small blade, tweezers & toothpick?

hso
February 1, 2003, 02:08 AM
Tamara if non-tactical means not haveing tactical knife "properties" does un-tactical mean having properties opposite of tactical?

In that case my un-tactical knives you've seen include an old Victorinox Tinker, a Apple coral William Henry Lancet (http://store4.yimg.com/I/knifeart_1727_61054684), a C-fiber Spyderco Dragonfly (http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/spyderc/images/28cf.jpg), the blacklip pearl/damascus Kim Breed "Black Prince", and a few you haven't seen.


bad_dad_brad,

Kershaw didn't invest tens of thousands of dollars in the Speed Safe design without having their lawyers study the law and assure them that the knives did not fit the definition of a switchblade (no "trigger" in the handle). Neither did Myerco (Blackie Collins actually devised the assisted opening system first and Myerco produced it first), Temberline, or SOG without getting their lawyers to assure them that they were not throwing their investment money away. So far there have been no court cases discussed at Bladeforums where the LEO attempt to stick the assisted openers with switchblade classification that the knives, if not the person carrying them, were "exonerated" so I wouldn't worry about it.

Skunkabilly
February 1, 2003, 03:07 AM
Right now my Emerson is pretty dull...I guess that qualifies ...gotta get a sharpener :rolleyes:

My Leatherman?

SteelyDan
February 1, 2003, 04:15 AM
There are so many good choices, but for whatever reason I just can't seem to go for more than a month or so without picking up another Marbles. Sorry I don't have a dig camera, so I had to do this on my scanner.

hso
February 1, 2003, 09:45 AM
SteelyDan,

Brilliant modern Marbles collection!

Have you seen the Marbles forum over at knifeforums.com (http://www.knifeforums.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB56)?

How's the quality of the new knives produced in the past few months now that Mike Stewart has left?

bad_dad_brad
February 1, 2003, 11:41 AM
hso,

Regarding Ken Onion's Speed-Safe mechanism.

I realize that Kershaw's lawyers think they are legal or they would not be selling them. I bought it at a local Gander Mountain, and their lawyers must think they are legal as well. I think they are legal. They are legal. But it is what the prosecuting district attorney and ultimately the judge thinks that I am worried about. Who needs the hastle.

If you stick somebody with one of those things, or any other knife for that matter, no matter how justified you might be in a self-defense situation, you will go to court. Flicking that little knife open in an eye blink and sharp click is going to raise some eyebrows and perk some ears in the halls of justice.

And say you are just out for the evening, and have the misfortune of getting arrested for something, like say a DUI, and you have that little Onion automatic on you. I wonder what the LEO would think about it? He would probably keep it, but maybe not. Maybe he would slap another charge on you, possesion of a deadly weapon, and let the district attorney and the judge decide.

No, I love collecting and playing with the latest trend in "assisted opening" knives, but they are automatic knives in my opinion and I won't carry it. In my restricted state, we can't even own a switch blade, let alone buy or carry one. Here is an excerpt from my state's criminal code describing this kind of knife:

"or any knife, commonly referred to as a switchblade knife, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife"

Typical legalize written in such a way that leaves it up to the judge.

Don Gwinn
February 1, 2003, 12:27 PM
in the handle of the knife

Seems pretty straightforward. A Kershaw/Onion torsion bar design does NOT open with the manipulation of any control in the handle. You MUST push the stud ON THE BLADE. Unless you think they can define the blade as the "handle" I wouldn't worry.
Illinois has the same laws, but I don't worry about carrying a Kershaw/Onion (don't have one right now, but if I should happen to pick one up, I'll give it to dad. He likes switchblades, especially old ones, but can't collect them in Illinois. If I thought he'd get in trouble with the Kershaw I wouldn't contemplate giving it to him.)

bad_dad_brad
February 1, 2003, 12:59 PM
Don,

I live in Illinois as well.

I just think the statute could be twisted, but only if you had dealings with LEOs or district attorneys, judges regarding the knife. I feel comfortable buying and owning one, just not carrying.

I always love this next Illinois statute:

"(2) Carries or possesses with intent to use the same
unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, dangerous knife,
razor, stiletto, broken bottle or other piece of glass, stun gun or
taser or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like
character; or"

Just what is a "dangerous knife"? Aren't all knives dangerous? I think so. I have sure cut the beejeezzuss out my fingers with a few. And then there is the "intent to use the same unlawfully." Not to commit an unlawful act, but only "intent".

El Tejon
February 1, 2003, 01:08 PM
Doc SWAT sent me a beautiful maple wood handled and razor-sharp Marbles skinning/hunting knife for Christmas. I have no earthly purpose for it, but display it proudly.

Pappy John
February 1, 2003, 08:13 PM
hso, thanks for the Marbles link. I had no idea there was such a thing on the net. But geez...now I've got a new place to eat up more of my life!!!!

vitiaz
February 1, 2003, 10:38 PM
Tamara,
Forget the knives...how did the Panther turn out?

:D

AnklePocket
February 1, 2003, 11:51 PM
Camillus Talonite EDC and
JW Smith Frame-Lock with Flipper

SteelyDan
February 2, 2003, 01:22 AM
hso:

Thanks, and thanks for the link, though, for once, I'm already pretty familiar with it. As far as the quality since Mike Stewart left, I'll just have to confess my ignorance. I'm familiar with his name, but I don't know when he left. I've got 4 or 5 made with the Alchemite (or whatever) steel, which was new last year, and they've been better than I expected. I dearly like the "old" 52-100 steel, but the new stuff may well turn out to be nearly as good, and more rustproof, relatively speaking, as well. Steel aside, the newer ones seem every bit as well made as the older ones.

Isn't Mike starting up a new company, ah, found it, yup, Bark River Knife and Tool. I don't have a website, but will definitely be checking it out.

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