Need your opinion of best air rifle for pigeon control


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Nom de Forum
November 5, 2013, 11:26 AM
I would appreciate the opinion of experienced air rifle users on the best choices for the following conditions:

Power: sufficient for reliable killing with a chest hit at 30 feet
Accuracy: .5 inch at 30 feet
Noise: as quiet as possible

I am past using traps to relocate, poison corn bait, and cleaning to remove scent. It is time to individually target the few remaining problem birds.

Thank you in advance.

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fdf
November 5, 2013, 01:34 PM
Check Pyramid Air for options and reading. Looking is cheap or send them a note and ask for their help.

Officers'Wife
November 5, 2013, 02:44 PM
Dad used a Daisy Powerline for many years for small pests, from rats to sparrows.

Nomad
November 5, 2013, 02:58 PM
You didn't state your price range but any good .22 cal that has baffels should do the job. I use a Marauder but just my choice. The P-Rod may be another good choice.
http://www.outdoorequipmentoutfitter.org/benjamin-sheridan-benj-maraud-pneum-ms-pistol--bolt.html

I know you didn't ask but from past experience I have found if they are making nests or roosting I have rolled up chicken wire and stuffed it anywhere they have made a nest. Worked great for me.

Loosenock
November 6, 2013, 10:51 AM
As a youngster back in the 50's and to keep me out of trouble my dad took me to work him with during the summer. He worked in a big open plant where pigeons were a huge problem. I had a Benjamin Franklin model 312 .22 cal. pump up air rifle and was paid $0.05 for every bird I removed from the building. Shots taken were from 5 to 30 yards. I made over a $1.00 a day. I became a crack shot and it was always one pellet one pest.

I still like the pump up pellet rifles. What they loose in the pumping up exercise they make up in power, smoothness, and recoilless operation. You can also vary the power. Three pumps for low power and 8 for high power. Sheridan, Crosman and Benjamin made some nice air rifles in the day that can still be found in pawn shops, gun shows and garage sales way cheaper than new imported air guns.

Just my opinion, others will vary.

'loose

Chevota
November 7, 2013, 03:18 PM
I'm guessing it'll be a workhorse gun so I'd go with something powerful yet cheap. A referb Crosman break-barrel would be my choice, they're the cheapest bang for the buck out there.
I see the TR77 for sale a lot at ~$75, if you're ok with the stock. The Benjamin Titan varies from $90 to $115. Others are of similar price.
The scope they come with is more than adequate for pigeons at 30'.
If you're bored you can read the short story "The great jonesboro pigeon shoot" http://tinyurl.com/kgpprxj (starting at page 121).
It's about a city with a pigeon problem and the break-barrel FWB 124 used. It's a much better and expensive German gun, much more accurate than a Crosman, but less powerful. At 30' accuracy shouldn't be much of an issue with fat birds at that range, and you'll have twice the power you need.
I'd go with .177 and use H&N Crow Mag hollow points myself. They actually open up which is the whole point, most hollow points don't. Another is the Crosman Destroyers, just a lower grade and less expensive pellet.
If you get a .22 then just about any pellet will work fine, but they're usually more expensive. The .177/.22 battle is always raging, but a .177 will still drop a big fat pigeon straight to the ground.

craftsman
November 8, 2013, 04:31 PM
Nom,

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Beeman_RS2_Dual_Caliber_Air_Rifle_Combo/1334

$160 for a case, two calibers (.177 vs .22 issue resolved - you have both) and a decent scope.

Chevota
November 9, 2013, 04:28 PM
Here's a cheap one I saw today, $70 w/ scope:
http://pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosman_Fury_Air_Rifle_Combo/2991
There's also the AGD daily deal to keep an eye on which has great deals, you just have to wait until a good gun for you pops up:
http://airgunsdaily.com
Fyi; if you get a Crosman like this you can buy a second barrel for about $30 delivered. You need to assemble it yourself which isn't hard, and peen the end of a pin so it can't come out, but it's easy with a simple trick. Then you have a dual caliber which is nice to see which you like best. You can also buy the suppressed barrel used on the Trail guns for about $3.50 more.
Let us know what you get an how it works. If you get a Crosman or similar like Gamo or Stoeger the #1 complaint is the trigger. If you can't stand it you can either buy an aftermarket trigger for ~$30 or so, or there is a variety of mods you can do yourself for free or close to it depending on the tools you have.

jeepnik
November 9, 2013, 06:32 PM
Years ago I worked at a local shipyard. The blacksmith shop was open, and pigeons by the hundreds roosted there nightly. We had many cats, but too many guys fed the cats so they weren't interested in eating pigeons, and the rats were too big for them.

Anyway, an outfit was selling a full auto bb gun (used either Freon or compressed air). One of the guys bought one, and in an evening we decimated the pigeon population. Unfortunately, we miss some of the bodies. The bird feeders weren't happy about the slaughter. But that didn't prevent another couple of pigeon massacres over the next few years.

NuJudge
November 9, 2013, 07:25 PM
The RWS 34 is a very high quality break-barrel, and I have used one for some 15 years. The one I have is in .177, but I believe they are also made in .22 now. I've used it to kill lots of pigeons, squirrels, rabbits, and one skunk that wandered into my yard. The RWS 34 is rather high velocity, so always work with a suitable backstop. I don't remember anything requiring a second shot, but squirrels sometimes made it into the next yard, and I shot the skunk another 10 or so times to make sure he was not playing 'possum.

ChaoSS
November 9, 2013, 09:42 PM
For pigeon control, any ol pinker will do. A 40 dollar Daisy powerline 880 will do just fine. If you want something better, go for it, but the cheap one will do just fine.

plmitch
November 13, 2013, 09:29 PM
I have an old dasiy powerline 851 that has been good little gun.

shiftyer1
November 13, 2013, 10:20 PM
As a kid I used a daisy powerline, it's the one with a diamond on the stock. I bought my son a spring gun by gamo and he uses it for rabbit hunting with great results.

1SOW
November 20, 2013, 02:37 AM
I use a Daisy 8-pump pellet/BB cheapie to kill 104 squirrels so far.

I practice at 12 yds on hanging 9mm brass in a BB trap. It's +/- 1/2" offhand at this range with 8 pumps. Chrono'd it at about 600 + FPS ft'sec with gammo precision hollow point pellets

The iron sights are awful, but with patience can be set pretty accurately. I modified the rear spring sight to be adjustable for height using a 6-30 T-nut and JB weld. Works great!:D

GLOOB
November 25, 2013, 07:49 PM
Power: sufficient for reliable killing with a chest hit at 30 feet
Accuracy: .5 inch at 30 feet
Noise: as quiet as possible
Seems like a springer would do the job. They're usually the quietest, all else equal. The only iffy part is accuracy. Most of them will easily beat your accuracy goal from a consistent shooting position/hold. But when you are taking impromptu field shots, things can get squirrelly. I have a Crosman Venom, and despite a terrible trigger, it probably has the power and accuracy you would need.

The ole pump up Crosman 7xx rifle is great for most indoor pests, but chest shots on pigeons might be pushing the limit, even at close range. Depends how big they are. But from sub 30 feet, you could be taking head shots with some practice and a scope. Pumps and PCPs are dead easy to put the holes where you want them.

If you go PCP, you're looking at a lot of money and equipment, esp if you want it to be quiet. I think a Benjamin Marauder would be about the cheapest way to go, there.

Just cuz you are on a gun forum, I would also mention the possibility of using Aguila Super Calibris in a 22 rifle, depending on your local firearm laws. A 22 Savage rifle is around $100.00 at the Wmart. The Super Calibris are fairly accurate out to 30 feet, and about the only noise it makes is the sound of the firing pin. About the only air rifle that is cheaper is a pump up Daisy or Crosman. Power would be in the PCP rifle range, it's more quiet than any air rifle, and accuracy is probably on par with a springer in the field. Personally, I would feel more comfortable with my field accuracy at these ranges using the Super Colibris, over my springer, even.

Aguila Super Colibris are not to be confused with Aguila Colibris or Aguila Subsonics.

Liberty1776
November 27, 2013, 06:24 PM
my Sheridan Blue Streak, 5mm. Puttin' the hurt on varmints for 50 years...

d2wing
December 6, 2013, 02:59 PM
Springers are loud and not very accurate, a pump up is better but my pick after trying several types is a modified .22 cal co2 gun called a QB 78. Mine was tuned and modified by Mike at Flying Dragon in Iowa. He sells online. There are others but this is quiet, accurate and has enough power at that range. Pyramid also sell a co 2 repeater, I forgot the model for around $400.

mdauben
December 6, 2013, 03:09 PM
Springers are loud and not very accurate, a pump up is better
Actually, a quality spring-piston rifle is going to be more accurate than either a pump up or CO2 rifle, assuming you use a proper hold. For years, springers were the choice of air rifle hunters, sillouette and field target competitors until the recent explosion in popularity of afordable, quality PCPs.

heavydluxe
December 6, 2013, 03:18 PM
For pigeons at that range, almost any decently powered air rifle will work.

The Daisy 880 that people have mentioned is a proven, inexpensive performer.

If you want to spend a little more, you can find a Ruger-branded break barrel air rifle (the Air Hawk) at places like StuffMart. It's MORE than powerful enough and would be a better gun if you want to eventually shoot longer ranges or bigger targets. I had one, and it was great.

If you want to spend even more coin, you can get a RWS model 34. And excellent spring-powered air rifle.

And up from there...

FWIW, .177 caliber pellets/bbs are plenty for any small birds. If you think you might get into larger furry critters, .22 pellets are a better bet.

oneounceload
December 6, 2013, 08:47 PM
Another vote for the RWS 34, it is what I use at the same distances for squirrel control in my yard

Deltaboy
December 7, 2013, 10:09 AM
RWS 34, Bengiman 312 or a Blue Streak will do the job.

rondog
December 7, 2013, 01:26 PM
Lots of mentions here of expensive high-quality, high-end air rifles, which are awesome to own and will of course do the job quite well. But unless you're wanting/needing a nice air rifle after the pigeons are gone, these might be a little too pricey. I'd like to have one, but I certainly don't need one.

I do have a Daisy 880 Powerline like others have mentioned, and it'll dang sure do the job! It was cheap too, about $30-$40 at WalMart (been a few years, can't recall the exact price). Only thing is, the scope that comes with it is trash. Either throw it away and put on a decent scope, or just use the irons. I shoot better with mine with the irons. But, I wouldn't exactly say it was "quiet", it pops pretty loud. All depends on where you're shooting at, might not be an issue.

But an 880 will kill pigeons with no sweat. Accurate and cheap. Give it 10 pumps and they don't stand a chance. My only real issue with it is it's hard to load pellets with my fat fingers, but a pair of tweezers overcomes that quickly.

ChaoSS
December 7, 2013, 01:33 PM
rondog, the 880 loading isn't that bad once you learn how to do it right. If you put it to the right of the loading port and roll it over it's alot easier than if you try to stick it right in.

rondog
December 7, 2013, 01:42 PM
rondog, the 880 loading isn't that bad once you learn how to do it right. If you put it to the right of the loading port and roll it over it's alot easier than if you try to stick it right in.

True, I've done that, but I keep some long-handled tweezers handy that work great. Don't have to deal with the pellets turning sideways or whatever.

It's taken many a squirrel off my birdfeeders, but I stopped doing that once I realized that, "hey, these rats are actually game animals with a hunting season, bag limit/possession limit, and license requirements. I'm actually poaching these stupid vermin and risking serious grief!" Not to mention I live in a suburban neighborhood with lots of yuppies and kiddies, and an elementary school 200 yds. away. Skwerl shootin' is probably frowned upon.

ChaoSS
December 7, 2013, 02:56 PM
Yeah, doesn't that suck? My area has been over run with crows the past year or so, used to be sparrows and such and just a few crows, now it's flocks and flocks and flocks of nothing but crow, thought I'd trim the population a bit, but no, we have stupid laws, and even when they are in season you can only take them with a shotgun.

I need to adjust my 880, it shoots right, and the adjustment is kind of stupid for windage.

SharpsDressedMan
December 8, 2013, 06:51 PM
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exospex
December 13, 2013, 08:20 AM
I just ordered two Crosman 1377's from Pyramid Air, along with the carbine stocks for them as Christmas gifts for two of my sons. I would think that would be an ideal tool for your task. Compact, accurate, and variable power. I've had one since I was a kid. I can't tell you how many squirrels, and chipmunks it's killed over the years. I even whacked a woodchuck with one shot to the neck after it tore up my buddies dog. That really impressed me.

lykoris
December 14, 2013, 05:56 PM
You need to state a budget.

A quality springer

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Weihrauch_HW50S_Breakbarrel_Rifle/2152

As silent as possible you're into shrouded PCPs with a mod.

Everything starts with your budget

RetiredUSNChief
December 14, 2013, 06:32 PM
I would appreciate the opinion of experienced air rifle users on the best choices for the following conditions:

Power: sufficient for reliable killing with a chest hit at 30 feet
Accuracy: .5 inch at 30 feet
Noise: as quiet as possible

I am past using traps to relocate, poison corn bait, and cleaning to remove scent. It is time to individually target the few remaining problem birds.

Thank you in advance.

Nearly anything could meet this requirement, including the lever-cocking BB guns. Some differences in accuracy may be apparent between the same rifle as reported from owner to owner, but I personally had no problems with my old Daisy lever-cocked BB gun when I was younger. I used to practice using playing cards by aiming for the various suit impressions on the cards.

Birds were no problem for me.

Nom de Forum
December 14, 2013, 08:13 PM
lykoris,

Quietness is crucial so I think I will go with your suggestion as the price is not prohibitive. Any specific suggestions?

ChaoSS
December 14, 2013, 09:40 PM
If money is no object then a Benjamin Marauder pistol or an Airforce Talon SS would both be some very quiet guns. Probably about 7-800 dollars once you buy the gun, the scope and rings, and the pump.

I think the Talon SS is better, but more expensive. More adjustable, and more easily adjustable, so at closer ranges you can have it be very, very quiet, and easily adjust it for longer range shooting. Also if you ever decide you want to get into some other shooting, you can get other barrels, although that would make it decidedly more noisy, unless you got an aftermarket shroud.

heavydluxe
December 14, 2013, 09:43 PM
How quiet do you need to be? Most springers (including the Weihrauch listed just above) will work. But magnum springers aren't exactly quiet guns. The nature of the action and cocking aren't stealthy.

If you really need to keep it quiet, a Pre-Charged Pnuematic (PCP) is probably the best. Basically a tank of air is pumped to pressure before going out to shoot, and a valve is activated by the trigger to release a high-pressure puff of air to propel the pellet.

If you're looking for a 'nice' gun, Air Arms makes some excellent guns near the price point of the Weihrauch. Benjamin's Maurauder is another good gun, and their Discovery, too, at a lower price point.

That said, I'm still in the camp that any good air rifle in the $150 and up range - including break-barrel magnum springers - would work for you application. I think the harder part of stealth is going to be your maneuvering and not the report of the gun.

Jefferson Herb
December 15, 2013, 02:05 AM
It may start out at 30 ft,but they get smart.If hunting at night,they bolt when lit up.If day,you'll be out to 30yds plus in no time.
I went to a Bengi Discovery,[want maurader] and these can be used w/co2
till it's cold weather,then air is best.one other thing to consider,is roof,ie metal, wood;pcp's will go thru metal and plywood roofs.But thats what the companion pistol is for....

ChaoSS
December 15, 2013, 07:09 AM
Everyone mentioning the discovery, keep in mind, he wants quiet. The Discovery is loud.

lykoris
December 15, 2013, 07:58 AM
if you are going for quietness then a springer would not be the best choice.

I would recommend an RWS/Hammerli 850 with a can attached.

fast forward to 6.20 on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WewqRtIGhI

It is CO2 but you can trick it out and convert to HPA or order it direct from the 850 store.

I have one and enjoy shooting it almost as much as my airwolf/rapid s and air ranger. Great value for money and will stack pellets all day long.

Be sure you pick a .22

Nom de Forum
December 15, 2013, 11:51 AM
Thanks to everyone for all the responses. I will be choosing one of the PCP.

ChaoSS
December 15, 2013, 12:27 PM
Man, you must have one heck of a pigeon problem if it's gotten to the point of blowing 700+ bucks on a gun for it.

Nom de Forum
December 15, 2013, 02:58 PM
As much a bad neighbor problem as a pigeon problem. She is the type who feeds the birds at the park even though there are signs everywhere prohibiting it due to water contamination from too much excrement. She already harassed another neighbor who used something loud and cheap he bought from Big 5. I don't have a problem with spending money on a quality rifle. I owned a FWB300 Universal twenty-five years ago. Bought it in Germany because it was so hard to shoot firearms where I was living. I got it cheap and resold it in the states for more than I paid for it. I am also curious about the PCP technology.

lykoris
December 15, 2013, 03:20 PM
The 850 is a solid rifle and will easily deal with pigeons well beyond your range. If you want to get back into air gunning then go straight to a PCP but if it is only to rid your back garden of pigeons it is overkill.

If you do go pcp think about charging it

ChaoSS
December 16, 2013, 02:13 PM
Nom de Forum, I understand that. I have neighbors that think it is their duty to feed every stray and feral cat that wanders into the neighborhood. I have scratches all over my vehicles, torn seats and stuff on my motorcycles. I have cat excrement all over my yard, along with the diseases that brings. I have cat urine all over everything. One day a cat got into the engine compartment of one of my vehicles and got caught in the belt when we started it. Tore up the cat, and the belt.

And yet, when I trap and take them down to the shelter, the sheriffs department gets called on me. (fortunately, we got a deputy who wasn't too stupid to understand the problem, and the neighbor was told that I was fully within my rights.) And when she sees a cat in there, I've had issues with her trespassing to let the cats out of the trap.

RetiredUSNChief
December 16, 2013, 05:26 PM
Nom de Forum, I understand that. I have neighbors that think it is their duty to feed every stray and feral cat that wanders into the neighborhood. I have scratches all over my vehicles, torn seats and stuff on my motorcycles. I have cat excrement all over my yard, along with the diseases that brings. I have cat urine all over everything. One day a cat got into the engine compartment of one of my vehicles and got caught in the belt when we started it. Tore up the cat, and the belt.

And yet, when I trap and take them down to the shelter, the sheriffs department gets called on me. (fortunately, we got a deputy who wasn't too stupid to understand the problem, and the neighbor was told that I was fully within my rights.) And when she sees a cat in there, I've had issues with her trespassing to let the cats out of the trap.

The subject of such matters as feeding wild and feral animals is a serious one, and many people do not understand it. Not the least of which are kind-hearted people who are against animal torture and such. (You can read this as "animal rights activists", but please keep in mind that not all who are labeled as such are really dyed-in-blue animal rights activists. They're simply people who think kindly of animals and do not wish to see them harmed.) Your neighbor would seem to be one of these ignorant people.

Feeding an animal implies responsibility towards the animal for everything that may occur as a result. Feed the animal and you provide them with the means to breed more animals, you change their diet, you change their feeding/prowling habits, and more.

Often the end result is and adverse impact on a variety of levels. Increased population, increased destructive behavior, adverse impact on the environment, danger to people/livestock, etc.

In the example of a cousin of mine who had a neighbor that fed all the stray dogs around his rural property. Soon that token little bowl of dog food expanded because more dogs started showing up, dramatic increase in breeding, and before you know it this guy was spending a significant amount of money buying dog food in 50 pound bags weekly, just to keep up. The dogs caused problems with not only the neighboring people, but their own pets and livestock.

Soon they became a threat...which resulted in dozens of dogs having to be put down, both by the people living in the area and the authorities.

A laudable act of kindness with no understanding of the consequences caused this tragedy. Perhaps this guy would have been better off either taking in one or two strays as pets to the exclusion of the others, or making it a hobby of his to capture/release the stray dogs as part of a neutering/vaccination program of his own. (A cousin of my wife's does this with cats around her house. She cares for them, but every cat ultimately makes a trip to the vet for neutering.)

danez71
December 16, 2013, 11:43 PM
LOL.... I'm not meaning to go off topic but the above 2 posts reminded me of my mom.

Difference is that my mom will feed and then trap the stray cats.

When she traps them, she takes them down to her vet and gets them fixed so the DONT breed and then lets them go again.

One time... it was her neighbors cat. :uhoh:

LOL....moms... you gotta love'em

ChaoSS
December 17, 2013, 09:23 AM
Trap neuter and release has proven to be ineffective. If it's not a house animal that made an occasional escape it should be trapped and turned over to animal control for euthanasia or shot if out in the country.

dlzigjr
December 19, 2013, 03:17 AM
Another vote for rws 34, watch for when the neighbors not home, then mow 'em down.

On the subject of springer accuracy, they can be very accurate if you use the iron sights, not so much with a scope. There is a reason why most, if not all, the various springer makes and models have the rear sight so far forward (forward of the barrel break). Any scope mounted rearward of the rear sight is just not gonna be accurate (at least by air rifle standards) no matter how expensive the scope, because each time the barrell breaks to cock, it doesn't lock back up to the scopes 'zero'.

The .22 cal packs a wallop and the pigeon is not a small bird. Yes a .177 will kill a pigeon, but a .22 pellet will put them down with authority.

ChaoSS
December 19, 2013, 10:29 AM
Another vote for rws 34, watch for when the neighbors not home, then mow 'em down.

On the subject of springer accuracy, they can be very accurate if you use the iron sights, not so much with a scope. There is a reason why most, if not all, the various springer makes and models have the rear sight so far forward (forward of the barrel break). Any scope mounted rearward of the rear sight is just not gonna be accurate (at least by air rifle standards) no matter how expensive the scope, because each time the barrell breaks to cock, it doesn't lock back up to the scopes 'zero'.

The .22 cal packs a wallop and the pigeon is not a small bird. Yes a .177 will kill a pigeon, but a .22 pellet will put them down with authority.
Most springers are machined well enough that scopes can be much more accurate than most people could ever be with iron sights.

ridurall
December 25, 2013, 03:28 PM
For 18 of my 20 years in the Air Force I worked in the Entomology shop (Pest Control) in Civil Engineering. We had a lot of trouble with pigeons in the hangers. Something about their crap is very hard on the aluminum in air craft. The Air Force would supply us with cheap Crossman pump up pellet rifles but I chose to purchase my own Diana 52 side stroke .177 Caliber pellet rifle with a high end pellet rifle scope that I picked up in the 1980s. With that Diana model 52 I've lost count of how many I killed in the top of those hangers. Many of the shots were 110' straight up and hitting them in the chest would drop them off the beams like a stone. The bunny huggers didn't like it but they never offered to help clean up the pigeon crap. The adjustable trigger and 1100 feet per second produced a very accurate rifle to do my work with. I started with an RWS model 48 where I cocked the barrel and with worked well but the 52 with no barrel hinge worked much more accurately.

lykoris
December 27, 2013, 03:27 AM
any air rifle I have shot over a chrony that goes near or over 1000fps always seemed to have horrendous accuracy

Mike1234567
December 27, 2013, 11:14 AM
For 18 of my 20 years in the Air Force I worked in the Entomology shop (Pest Control) in Civil Engineering. We had a lot of trouble with pigeons in the hangers. Something about their crap is very hard on the aluminum in air craft. The Air Force would supply us with cheap Crossman pump up pellet rifles but I chose to purchase my own Diana 52 side stroke .177 Caliber pellet rifle with a high end pellet rifle scope that I picked up in the 1980s. With that Diana model 52 I've lost count of how many I killed in the top of those hangers. Many of the shots were 110' straight up and hitting them in the chest would drop them off the beams like a stone. The bunny huggers didn't like it but they never offered to help clean up the pigeon crap. The adjustable trigger and 1100 feet per second produced a very accurate rifle to do my work with. I started with an RWS model 48 where I cocked the barrel and with worked well but the 52 with no barrel hinge worked much more accurately.
Maybe you should turn in a suggestion form that all rafters should be covered so the birds have no place to perch. Might put a few hundred thousand or even millions in your pocket.

samort457
December 27, 2013, 12:23 PM
A Benjamin Marauder would be great for what your describing. My parents had a squirrel problem so my dad got one in .22, not a problem since. It has an integral baffling system, it make a HUGE difference, and it has a ten round magazine type type thing so you shot it as fast as you can work the bolt. You have to pump it up with an air pump but you get about 30 shots if you pump it to about 3,000 psi.

Nom de Forum
December 27, 2013, 12:35 PM
For 18 of my 20 years in the Air Force I worked in the Entomology shop (Pest Control) in Civil Engineering. We had a lot of trouble with pigeons in the hangers. Something about their crap is very hard on the aluminum in air craft. The Air Force would supply us with cheap Crossman pump up pellet rifles but I chose to purchase my own Diana 52 side stroke .177 Caliber pellet rifle with a high end pellet rifle scope that I picked up in the 1980s. With that Diana model 52 I've lost count of how many I killed in the top of those hangers. Many of the shots were 110' straight up and hitting them in the chest would drop them off the beams like a stone. The bunny huggers didn't like it but they never offered to help clean up the pigeon crap. The adjustable trigger and 1100 feet per second produced a very accurate rifle to do my work with. I started with an RWS model 48 where I cocked the barrel and with worked well but the 52 with no barrel hinge worked much more accurately.

I am sure it is hard on the aircraft. It can be even more detrimental to the aircrews and maintainer's. Histoplasmosis is just one of the diseases pigeon crap is a vector of along with about 50 other infections. Our City actually put out door flyers after a "Pigeon Lady" at the park died. My mother-in-law is blind in one eye from histoplasmosis.

Nom de Forum
December 27, 2013, 12:39 PM
Maybe you should turn in a suggestion form that all rafters should be covered so the birds have no place to perch. Might put a few hundred thousand or even millions in your pocket.

More likely to put taxpayer dollars in the pocket of building contractors. I hope the powers that be continue to support the economical use of air rifles so that money can be spent on airmen and aircraft.

Mike1234567
December 27, 2013, 12:43 PM
More likely to put taxpayer dollars in the pocket of building contractors. I hope the powers that be continue to support the economical use of air rifles so that money can be spent on airmen and aircraft.
Don't count on any of that. I was civil service for nearly a quarter century and saw enough to keep me depressed for the rest of my life. :(

Nom de Forum
December 27, 2013, 12:57 PM
Don't count on any of that. I was civil service for nearly a quarter century and saw enough to keep me depressed for the rest of my life. :(

That mirrors my short period of experience as a taxpayer paid employee.

TeaCoffee.Guy
January 23, 2014, 06:40 PM
I have absolutely zero knowledge of air rifles however, I am a huge fan of the C.C.I.'s .22 CB shorts!
I think if you are careful of your background ( and you should be anyway) you might be able to trust the .22 CB short to give you good range and one shot kills. JUST BE CAREFUL!

Nom de Forum
January 24, 2014, 12:07 AM
I have absolutely zero knowledge of air rifles however, I am a huge fan of the C.C.I.'s .22 CB shorts!
I think if you are careful of your background ( and you should be anyway) you might be able to trust the .22 CB short to give you good range and one shot kills. JUST BE CAREFUL!

Thanks for the suggestion. About thirty years ago I shot a box of CBs to check them out. Unfortunately discharging a firearm within the city limits is illegal.

It has been I while since I visited this thread. Since then things have changed and I no longer need to buy a PCP rifle. I bought an old Webley Hurricane from a guy. It is accurate enough to get the job done because the range is so short. It is low velocity so you have to anticipate the movement of the bird a little because they hear it before the pellet hits. It is louder than I like, but easy to quickly shoot and conceal from my neighbors eyes. Sorry if anyone thinks I wasted their time on rifle suggestions, although I did find them very interesting. Thank you. Sometimes serendipity happens.

ChaoSS
January 24, 2014, 08:52 AM
Thanks for the suggestion. About thirty years ago I shot a box of CBs to check them out. Unfortunately discharging a firearm within the city limits is illegal.

It has been I while since I visited this thread. Since then things have changed and I no longer need to buy a PCP rifle. I bought an old Webley Hurricane from a guy. It is accurate enough to get the job done because the range is so short. It is low velocity so you have to anticipate the movement of the bird a little because they hear it before the pellet hits. It is louder than I like, but easy to quickly shoot and conceal from my neighbors eyes. Sorry if anyone thinks I wasted their time on rifle suggestions, although I did find them very interesting. Thank you. Sometimes serendipity happens.
Not to be that guy, but if you are concerned with the legal aspects of shooting a gun inside city limits, shooting your pellet gun inside city limits may also be illegal.

Nom de Forum
January 24, 2014, 11:41 AM
Not to be that guy, but if you are concerned with the legal aspects of shooting a gun inside city limits, shooting your pellet gun inside city limits may also be illegal.

Shhhhs. The police don't get to worked-up about it if it doesn't go bang, cause property damage, or the bird lady doesn't make a fuss. That's why quickly pulling out and putting back the pistol from under a jacket is the way to go. You can stalk without drawing attention. A little masking noise from a neighbor's kids or lawnmower also helps. I forgot to mention twice now that the pigeon problem is now greatly diminished. The last holdouts from the last poison corning have mostly taken the hint or suffered lead poisoning.

Kernel
January 24, 2014, 04:48 PM
Get a Benjamin Discovery (aka Disco) air rifle and a TKO silencer (no permit needed). Awesome combo. Very powerful and very quiet.

http://www.tko22.com/

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Discovery_Air_Rifle/1543

PigButtons
January 24, 2014, 07:52 PM
The Webley Hurricane is a great tool. Plenty accurate out to 30 feet. Did you get one with the scope or just irons? I bought an old beater with the Webley scope, no irons, and it was WELL used and dirty when I bought it. After a thorough cleaning and some practice I used it to kill red wasps around my house. At 30 feet I could hit them about half the time though some required more than three shots. I wasn't in a hurry and it was a target rich environment for the first few days. Mine is worn enough that you have to be careful when closing the barrel after cocking because the little foot that slides on the guide rails will jam due to excessive clearance. But the accuracy is still superb.

Glad you found a reasonable and effective solution to your 'flying rat' problem.

hartcreek
January 24, 2014, 08:41 PM
Just pull out your Lee Load all and load up some shot gun shells with rocksalt.

Eb1
January 24, 2014, 09:02 PM
Grow in up the cross man 2200 with a 4x scope was my death ray. The I shot out a daisy power line .22 cal. Next was a beeman 592 I think. The seal went out in one day. In am saving for a nice air rifle, but if u hhad my cross man 2200 back, I'd be in heaven.

For animaks, go with a .22 cal. That is my opinion.

Nom de Forum
January 24, 2014, 09:10 PM
The Webley Hurricane is a great tool. Plenty accurate out to 30 feet. Did you get one with the scope or just irons? I bought an old beater with the Webley scope, no irons, and it was WELL used and dirty when I bought it. After a thorough cleaning and some practice I used it to kill red wasps around my house. At 30 feet I could hit them about half the time though some required more than three shots. I wasn't in a hurry and it was a target rich environment for the first few days. Mine is worn enough that you have to be careful when closing the barrel after cocking because the little foot that slides on the guide rails will jam due to excessive clearance. But the accuracy is still superb.

Glad you found a reasonable and effective solution to your 'flying rat' problem.

No scope but it did come with a plastic scope mount. On first sight it was in a dusty black box with "The Hurricane Air Pistol. One of the World Famous Webleys" in big white lettering. Inside was a .22 caliber pistol, one paper Webley brand target, the scope mount, room for storing it with a scope mounted, trigger adjustment wrench (3 to 5 pounds) with a little tag marked on one side "Webley" and "The World Famous Webley " on the other side, and what was really cool - the instructions. The instructions are printed on one side of a 24"x18" sheet. They are comprehensive to the point of step by step complete disassembly/reassembly. The other side of the instruction sheet has photos of 8 Webley revolvers and 1 semiauto with captions providing some history of each. All this is what sealed the deal even if it had not been sufficient for what I need it to do. The instructions list it as having a MV of 330fps and a ME of 3.55ftlbs. One of the best things I ever bought for $40.

Nom de Forum
January 24, 2014, 09:13 PM
Just pull out your Lee Load all and load up some shot gun shells with rocksalt.


...and then go to jail. I live in the city.

hartcreek
January 25, 2014, 09:03 PM
In town....you had better check your city ordinances and you will probably find it aint legal to even use an air gun. I have a cat problem here and I got the health department involved and the cat lady accros the street was declared a health hazzard and the local PD authorized me to put down any cats I could with my hand loaded 38 shotshells.

Last count with humane society was 200 cats they had trapped and euthanized.

Nom de Forum
January 25, 2014, 10:11 PM
In town....you had better check your city ordinances and you will probably find it aint legal to even use an air gun. I have a cat problem here and I got the health department involved and the cat lady accros the street was declared a health hazzard and the local PD authorized me to put down any cats I could with my hand loaded 38 shotshells.

Last count with humane society was 200 cats they had trapped and euthanized.

Thank you to all who have posted but some of your are not reading the preceding posts before posting. Here is a recap:

I am not buying a rifle since I found a pistol that does the job.

I live in a city where you will go to jail if you use a firearm. I am also aware of the ordinance on the use of air powered guns. Like many ordinances it is selectively enforced depending on the situation. Read my previous post explaining the situation if you need further clarification.

Thank you hartcreek for your interest and the mention of your waiver for use of a firearm. My pigeon problem, which I have mentioned in a previous post, is greatly diminished since using the pistol.

Thanks again to all who posted, I have got the problem solved.

Sam1911
January 26, 2014, 10:58 AM
Glad to hear you've got it under control.

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